Shiloh Baptist members sue church lea...

Shiloh Baptist members sue church leaders

There are 567 comments on the The York Daily Record story from Jun 10, 2009, titled Shiloh Baptist members sue church leaders. In it, The York Daily Record reports that:

A group of members at Shiloh Baptist Church in York are suing the church pastor and three church leaders, saying they violated church bylaws in borrowing $635,000 to purchase a church on the west side of the city.

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don

Jarrettsville, MD

#22 Jun 11, 2009
that,s the reason i don,t go to church it,s all about money. just like the schools boards they use other peoples money to get the money to give to them selves. stay at home an watch preachers on tv that is better an you don,t have to sit next to sinners that sin all week an come to church on sunday to show off new clothes an a new car .then on monday go back to sinning.
Thurgood

Ann Arbor, MI

#23 Jun 11, 2009
This community needs a strong Shiloh Baptist Church. I hope all involved will settle the matter privately. Abviosly, the bank thought enough of Shiloh's balance sheets to issue the loan. Although I do not know why the main church had to be used for collateral.
Sir Jazz

Bethpage, NY

#24 Jun 11, 2009
don wrote:
that,s the reason i don,t go to church it,s all about money. just like the schools boards they use other peoples money to get the money to give to them selves. stay at home an watch preachers on tv that is better an you don,t have to sit next to sinners that sin all week an come to church on sunday to show off new clothes an a new car .then on monday go back to sinning.
LOL.. you got that allllll wrong, but it's your choice.
Black is Beautiful

Rockville, MD

#25 Jun 11, 2009
There is something I must say. I am a member of Shiloh and have been for my whole life and while I may not agree 100% with how Rev does things. I know her heart and I know her intentions. I also know the intentions of those who have placed the lawsuits. Shiloh's history SUCKS! The members have always choice to handle problems themselves versus letting GOD handle them That is why this church continues to stay in the middle of controversary. Every single Pastor of this church has been voted out by the members, except for Curtis. He was smart enough to leave first.

Since: May 08

york pa

#26 Jun 11, 2009
we need to keep the praying for this situation to right its self.. i think they may be more to the story that we are being told.. i am not a regular church goer, but i have been to the shiloh church and it was a very nice church.. my question is why is it only 19 women suing.. were are all the men??
Black is Beautiful

Rockville, MD

#27 Jun 11, 2009
I must also bring to the front line the reputation of Shiloh. This is why some folks wont even step foot in the building. Does God get the glory out of this. All churches and I mean ALL church have the issues/problems/secrets, but you know what they handle their issues in house. Some of the members are so caught up on proving their point they will chain the doors and sue the leaders. What a disgrace? Once again Shiloh is back in the paper! Unbelieveable! How many christians will fall because of this! Do I agree with all of Rev's choices NO! But I also don't agree with a bunch of controlling, vindictive members who care more about their building than they do about LEADING FOLKS INTO A CHRIST CENTERED RELATIONSHIP. I AM JUST PLAIN TICKED OFF. TAMAR AND THE REST OF THE CREW JUST LIKE REV HAS TO ANSWER TO GOD... SO WILL YOU AND WHAT GLORY DOES HE GET OUT OF THIS... WHAT WILL BE YOUR ANSWER...... THIS HAS GONE TOO FAR....
Somebody

United States

#28 Jun 11, 2009
I am trully ashamed of what is happening to Shiloh Church. I am also ashamed of the older leaders in the church people like Jane Cuthrell, Bill House, the others who should know better, John Dowery, Bernard Baxter to name a few. But this is what happens when you put the wrong people in place who don't know how to lead but only want to see their name in lights. They don't stand up for what is right they just go with the flow. Yes, we are supposed to honor and respect our pastors, but when they are deceitful the Lord gives us good common sense to use and not allow anyone to destroy something they he has blessed us to achieve.
built on sand-i hope not

Mount Laurel, NJ

#29 Jun 11, 2009
My concern is with such a large balloon payment due and in such short time, this lawsuit seems like a last ditch effort to cover their butts. Why didn't anyone complain in January 2007? Here we are 2 1/2 yrs later (a month away from the deadline) and now its like "oh no, what are we going to do?". Did it really take that long to figure out what was going on or was it all good just a week ago?
Aside from the lawsuit, does anyone know what Shiloh's gameplan is for this mortgage? I mean even if this suit never took place how was Shiloh planning to handle this payment due? What is the balance on the loans? These are questions each member and the general public should have been asking.
They are a nonprofit entity and therefore all of this info is public record. Not to mention it all must be kept on site and made available for inspection for anyone that asks to see it.
PRODIGAL SON

Philadelphia, PA

#30 Jun 11, 2009
FIRST OFF, THIS WHOLE ORDEAL THAT IS GOING ON IS A BUNCH OF BS! THE BYLAWS ARE 100 YEARS OLD, AND ARE NOT RELEVANT TO TODAYS TIME AND WORLD. THEY ARE NOT PROPER FOR THE NAGNITUDE OF SHILOH TODAY. THOSE MEMBERS WHO ARE A PART OF THE SUIT NEED TO LET THEIR PERSONAL VIEWS GO & DO WHATS BEST FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD. IT'S ABOUT SAVING THE LOST, AND BRINGING PEOPLE CLOSER TO GOD! HOW IS ALL THIS HELPING? U MAY NOT LIKE THE PASTOR OR AGREE WITH EVERY MOVE THAT IS MADE, BUT THE PROOF IS IN THE PUDDING. SHILOH HAS DONE A WHOLE LOT FOR THE COMMUNITY FOR THE LAST 5-7 YEARS. SHE HAS HELPED TO SAVE MANY SOULS THAT WERE LOST, AND REBUILD THOSE THAT WERE BROKEN DOWN! SOME CHANGES DO NEED TO BE MADE WITH THE WAY THINGS ARE DONE ON BOTH SIDES, THERE IS ALWAYS ROOM FOR IMPROVMENT. BUT THE END RESULT SHOULD BE THE PEOPLE OF GOD TRYING TO MEET ON A COMMON GROUND FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD!
Somebody

United States

#31 Jun 11, 2009
Black is Beautiful, here it is: Why not ask those pastors why they were voted out. As for Rev. Curtis, yes he left on his own after telling his members that he wasn't leaving. Shiloh was extremely good to him and his wife, but money talks(you know the rest of that saying).
4REAL1

Westminster, MD

#32 Jun 11, 2009
mugzz wrote:
we need to keep the praying for this situation to right its self.. i think they may be more to the story that we are being told.. i am not a regular church goer, but i have been to the shiloh church and it was a very nice church.. my question is why is it only 19 women suing.. were are all the men??
No men involved? Very Very Good Question...
Men usually avoid drama... Rev. Jazz is a woman in charge so naturally women are going to check her if she abuses her power, which seems to be the case...

It will be interesting to see what else comes out because no matter what this isn't going to end good...

Isn't she the same Rev. who tried to fire the church bookkeeper? That should have threw up red flags...

Remember there is only one GOD. Too many people trying to play his role.
PRODIGAL SON

Philadelphia, PA

#33 Jun 11, 2009
ALSO, THE WOMEN INVOLVED ARE INVOLVED BECAUSE THEY FEEL AS THOUGH IT'S A POWER STRUGGLE BETWEEN THEM & THE PASTOR. THEY ARE ACTING AS THOUGH THEY ARE LITTLE CHILDREN WITH TEMPER TANTRUMS. U CAN'T ALWAYS GET YOUR WAY. PASTOR MAY NOT ALWAYS BE RITE, BUT SHE DOES PUT THE VISION FIRST. SHE IS A WOMAN OF HONOR, FAITH, AND RESPECT. WHEN SPEAK ON SOMETHING, PLEASE GO OFF OF FACTS. THE CAR SHE DRIVES WAS BROUGHT TO YORK WITH HER WHEN SHE CAME HERE. DIDN'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING ILLEGAL OR UNGODLY TO GET IT! SHE IS 1 OF THE MOST SOUGHT AFTER PREACHERS IN THE COUNTRY, HIGHLY FAVORED. SHILOH HAS A HABIT OF RUNNING PEOPLE OUT, LET'S JUST HOPE THEY GET IT RITE BEFORE THEY MISS OUT ON SUCH A GREAT PERSON, PASTOR, AND LEADER!
Somebody

United States

#34 Jun 11, 2009
Black Is Beautiful your retoric makes me sick. That's why you and others like you are stuck. When God made us he gave us something called a "brain" and the purpose of it is to use. When it's used in the right ways a lot of blessings comes your way. It was a shame that more people didn't use theirs in the "Jim Jones" tragedy. I implore you to get intouch with some of the family members left behind from Jim Jones and ask them how they feel.
Enlightened

Merrillville, IN

#35 Jun 11, 2009
From what I understand these women have been trying for months to hold a church meeting with their pastor and the leadership. The pastor and the leadership not only denied holding a church meeting but also denied that any of this was true even though its recorded at the courthouse. The leadership appears to be very weak and the pastor very manipulative. Most of the older membership have left...alot of good leaders have left....ask them why...same common denominator. It's about time something's done. Why didn't she just start her own church if she didn't want to follow their constitution and bylaws is my question? Can anyone answer that???? My guess is she needed Shiloh's reputation and the money that they used to have...
Somebody

United States

#36 Jun 11, 2009
Prodigal Son give me a break! Jazz has done nothing for the community. Shiloh has long ago pulled away from involvement with the other churches (ask the BMA) in the City, black and white thanks to Jazz. I don't know where you have been, but you need to open up your eyes and ears. I thought only God himself could save souls, that's where I place mine
Concerned

Northumberland, PA

#37 Jun 11, 2009
Second the motion wrote:
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$500.00 is a ridiculously low threshold. Does the congregation have a general meeting every week to pay the bills?
Time for a major by-lay rewrite IMHO.
You may be correct however the fact remains that this injustis was $635,000 and put the church that was debt free at risk. The pastor and Mr. Rice didn't help pay off the church that they so eaisly put at risk without the courtesy of following the by-laws, outdated or not.
Concerned

Northumberland, PA

#38 Jun 11, 2009
Black is Beautiful wrote:
There is something I must say. I am a member of Shiloh and have been for my whole life and while I may not agree 100% with how Rev does things. I know her heart and I know her intentions. I also know the intentions of those who have placed the lawsuits. Shiloh's history SUCKS! The members have always choice to handle problems themselves versus letting GOD handle them That is why this church continues to stay in the middle of controversary. Every single Pastor of this church has been voted out by the members, except for Curtis. He was smart enough to leave first.
It sounds like you drank the Koolaide. Right is right and wrong is wrong. And there needs to be consequenses so that the controversies stop and the church can resume saving souls.
phatgrl

Lemoyne, PA

#39 Jun 11, 2009
you all are blessed wrote:
plus check out the car that ms. Jazz is sporting. Little much for a Rev. I would say so.,
you are so outdated in your response, their are pastors how drive cars ten times better than a lexus. Come up with something better please
Concerned

Northumberland, PA

#40 Jun 11, 2009
built on sand-i hope not wrote:
My concern is with such a large balloon payment due and in such short time, this lawsuit seems like a last ditch effort to cover their butts. Why didn't anyone complain in January 2007? Here we are 2 1/2 yrs later (a month away from the deadline) and now its like "oh no, what are we going to do?". Did it really take that long to figure out what was going on or was it all good just a week ago?
Aside from the lawsuit, does anyone know what Shiloh's gameplan is for this mortgage? I mean even if this suit never took place how was Shiloh planning to handle this payment due? What is the balance on the loans? These are questions each member and the general public should have been asking.
They are a nonprofit entity and therefore all of this info is public record. Not to mention it all must be kept on site and made available for inspection for anyone that asks to see it.
Obviously you don't understand that this was all done secretly that is why it took so long for members to find out. The perpetrators counted on them not finding out until it was too late, maybe it is to late I don't know but they have been asking for the truth for a long time and that is the reason they had no choice but to do what they did.
To God be the glory

York, PA

#41 Jun 11, 2009
What you do in darkness will always be brought to the light. These women have been trying for along time to hold a church meeting. The Pastor has tried her best to keep them quiet.

These women are just a representation of a larger part of the congregation. Bill House tried to fight but after so long you get tired especailly when the Pastor goes behind your back and manipulates the situation.

God is in control and he will have his way regardless of the outcome . It's another sad chapter in Shiloh's history.
Iam praying for you all!

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