YDR Opinion: Independents double-cros...

YDR Opinion: Independents double-crossed by cross-filing

There are 20 comments on the The York Daily Record story from May 20, 2011, titled YDR Opinion: Independents double-crossed by cross-filing. In it, The York Daily Record reports that:

An analogy that's often trotted out in the wake of elections such as Tuesday's primary involves a trip to the grocery store and finding that you only have a choice between Coke and Pepsi.

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john

York, PA

#1 May 20, 2011
I agree. another political scam. The good old boys control everything!
George Sam

AOL

#2 May 20, 2011
I'm registered independent but get phone calls to vote for republican and democratic candidates so this shows what a farce the present system depicts.
Spring Garden Resident

York, PA

#3 May 20, 2011
I only wish I could register as an independent. This very reason is why I stay registered as a Republican even though I identify as a Libertarian.

Third-parties have no chance. And that's how the powers that be want to keep it.

Good luck Mr DePasquale.
McFly

Mount Laurel, NJ

#4 May 20, 2011
You know there is a solution. Register with a damn party. I get so tired of the "independents" bitching about not being able to vote in the primaries. You don't want to be in one the parties, you don't get to choose their candidate.
Man in Black

Mount Airy, MD

#5 May 20, 2011
If you live in York there is only one party. If you are republican in York, you don't even get anyone to run for office, not even in the primary.
Al X Trebek

York, PA

#6 May 20, 2011
When entering PA, you see signs that say "Pennsylvania Welcomes You: State of Independence".

What a crock!
Realist

Bryn Mawr, PA

#7 May 20, 2011
It is not just independants McFly. did you even read the article???
Man in Black

Mount Airy, MD

#8 May 20, 2011
McFly wrote:
You know there is a solution. Register with a damn party. I get so tired of the "independents" bitching about not being able to vote in the primaries. You don't want to be in one the parties, you don't get to choose their candidate.
I am registered republican, and live in york city. please tell me how i get to vote for school board or city council? the only thing worse than a two party system is a one party system.
Helphul

York, PA

#9 May 20, 2011
Man in Black wrote:
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I am registered republican, and live in york city. please tell me how i get to vote for school board or city council? the only thing worse than a two party system is a one party system.
Switch your registration to Democrat. Then you'll have a say in who gets nominated. But if you really want my advice, get the hell out of the city. Why would subject yourself to the abuse?
Man in Black

Mount Airy, MD

#10 May 20, 2011
Helphul wrote:
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Switch your registration to Democrat. Then you'll have a say in who gets nominated. But if you really want my advice, get the hell out of the city. Why would subject yourself to the abuse?
So the answer is to switch to a party who's views I don't agree with and choose from a list they give me, move from my home, or don't vote.

How about getting rid of the primaries all together? If you can get X number of signatures on a petition you get your name on the ballot. Don't list parties on the ballot. Then at the general election we will have a open race where anyone can win.

Move out of the city? Well that is one way to do it. I think about it from time to time. I moved here 10 years ago and in that 10 years I, along with many of my neighbors, have fought to reclaim our neighborhood. We got rid of the hookers, dealers, and gang thugs. We have cleaned up our neighborhood. We can walk our neighborhood anytime day or night without fear. I fought to damn hard to make my home what it is. why should I run away? We eliminated the street problems in our neighborhood, I will be damned if I let the political thugs move me out.
RINO

Dallastown, PA

#11 May 20, 2011
Man in Black wrote:
If you live in York there is only one party. If you are republican in York, you don't even get anyone to run for office, not even in the primary.
Exactly, there is only one party in York County. I get a kick out of Platts campaigning for two judiciary candidates that cross-filed. PlattsÂ’ support gave me just the reason I needed not to vote for them. They are probably for getting rid of Medicare too.
White Hat

Annapolis, MD

#12 May 20, 2011
Man in Black wrote:
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I am registered republican, and live in york city. please tell me how i get to vote for school board or city council? the only thing worse than a two party system is a one party system.
Unfortunately, if you live in York City you have to decide whether City or County primary choices are more important to you.

If City, register Democrat. If County, register Republican. Unfortunately you can't have both ways--exhibit # 1 in the case for OPEN PRIMARIES.
Mudslinger

Annapolis, MD

#13 May 20, 2011
McFly wrote:
You know there is a solution. Register with a damn party. I get so tired of the "independents" bitching about not being able to vote in the primaries. You don't want to be in one the parties, you don't get to choose their candidate.
Roger that.

Most whiney "Independents" have a holier-than-thou attitude and claim they want to be "untainted" by the fray of partisan politics. Get off your high horse and choose D or R.
Helphul

Mount Laurel, NJ

#14 May 20, 2011
Man in Black wrote:
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So the answer is to switch to a party who's views I don't agree with and choose from a list they give me, move from my home, or don't vote.
How about getting rid of the primaries all together? If you can get X number of signatures on a petition you get your name on the ballot. Don't list parties on the ballot. Then at the general election we will have a open race where anyone can win.
Move out of the city? Well that is one way to do it. I think about it from time to time. I moved here 10 years ago and in that 10 years I, along with many of my neighbors, have fought to reclaim our neighborhood. We got rid of the hookers, dealers, and gang thugs. We have cleaned up our neighborhood. We can walk our neighborhood anytime day or night without fear. I fought to damn hard to make my home what it is. why should I run away? We eliminated the street problems in our neighborhood, I will be damned if I let the political thugs move me out.
You and others switch so you can inject your views into the nominating process. Most people in the city just vote Democrat. They don't look beneath the surface. So you could nominate a more moderate, intelligent candidate than those that are in office now and slip it by the dumbmasses. Take over the Democrat party in the city. Hell, how many voted this time? 10%?
Guy Innagorillasuit

Boiling Springs, PA

#15 May 20, 2011
Mudslinger wrote:
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Roger that.
Most whiney "Independents" have a holier-than-thou attitude and claim they want to be "untainted" by the fray of partisan politics. Get off your high horse and choose D or R.
No. Not just no, but hell no.

The two party system is the problem, not voters that refuse to conform to it.
Truth Be Told

Philadelphia, PA

#16 May 20, 2011
Why does this article only talk about the races for which you can cross-file? As many of you mentioned, there is no race for any office in York County if you are not a Republican and no race in the city if you are not a Democrat. The general election is only a means for which these 2 parties parties can show how much power they have over those areas. The real problems are 1) Low voter turn out: Not enough Republicans or Democrats vote in the primary to make a change and difference in their parties, and not enough unaffliliated/third party voters come out in the general election to make it mean something. 2) Most of those who do vote are brainwashed by the 2 (or 1) party system that they feel they must always vote for their party because the other party is worse (even if they are not entirely in love with their own party). So, the questions remain: how do we get more people in both parties parties out to vote in the primary? How do we get more voters of all parties (or no party) out to vote in the general election? And how do we un-brainwash most people that do vote? Any suggestions?

Perhaps we should just allow everybody regardless of party to vote in the Democrat primary in York City, and the Republican primary in York County and just cancel the general election altogether and save money.
Mike Koffenberger

York, PA

#17 May 21, 2011
This is an excellent opinion piece.

Here are a few facts that point to reforms being needed on PA's draconian election laws:

1) Only R and Ds can vote in the primary. Usually less than 20% of those even vote yet everyone in the state pays for the primary election.

2) If you are a registered R or D, sure you can vote in the primary, however for most of the important offices, the party establishment has already picked your candidate for you months prior to the primary by endorsing a candidate. Once a candidate is endorsed, it is nearly impossible for any of the non-endorsed candidates to win. This essentially makes your vote in the primary worthless anyway.

3) For the general election, 3rd party or Independent candidates struggle to get on the ballot by having to collect many more signatures on their nomination petitions. Once on the ballot, many statewide ballot candidates (such as Governor, Lieutenant Governor, US Senate last fall) are forced off of the ballot by the two main parties through threat of law suit over their nomination petitions. Vic Stabile, this year's Republican endorsed candidate for PA Superior Court was instrumental in doing this last year and was "rewarded" by the party by getting their endorsement.

Senator Mike Folmer has submitted Senate Bill 21 to try and reform PA's election laws. It won't happen unless there is enough citizen outcry for it. Contact your Representatives and Senators and demand they pass it.

There are two coalition groups that are working towards equal ballot access. One is the Pennsylvania Coalition for Electoral Reform. There is a petition on that site that you can print out, sign, and send to your legislature members. The web site is pareform.org

The other, the Pennsylvania Ballot Access Coalition, has been working on equal ballot access for over a decade. They can be found at paballotaccess.org

Whether you agree with a particular third party or not, at least give them an equal chance in the election. If you wish to remain a R or D, demand your party establishment stop endorsing candidates which makes your vote worthless if you would rather have someone other than the chosen candidate elected.
Realist

Stewartstown, PA

#18 May 21, 2011
Well said Mike! I would just like to add as well that third party voters do not just sit around and complain the GREEN and LIBERTARIAN parties have been working on Ballot access together across party lines and while Folmer has introduced the senate ballot access reform, some members of the house have introduced legislation to open the primaries. We just need to let our government know that we are serious about reform

Since: Dec 07

Arlington, VA

#19 May 31, 2011
Valid point but essentially whining on behalf of people who are too [whatever] to register and vote. Who needs their silent voices in a democracy?
Monkeys Uncle

Annapolis, MD

#20 Jun 1, 2011
Guy Innagorillasuit wrote:
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No. Not just no, but hell no.

The two party system is the problem, not voters that refuse to conform to it.
Your standing on the sidelines and holding up your nose sure does a lot to fix the "problem".....NOT!!!

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