York City homeowner appeals HARB call for $1,000 railing

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John Shepard says he spent $90,000 of his own money so far rehabilitating a blighted house at 56 S. Pershing Ave.

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luckygirl

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In that neighborhood someone would have that stolen and sold as scrap material in no time. Before the city worries about the kind of handrail someone puts up they should clean the city up. When I drive through the city I notice all the trash blowing around and all the house's that are in total disrepair.
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Remember back in the good ole days when a purchase ment YOU owned it???
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This is what gets me going......I look at the little guy getting hit by HARB. Then look at the monstrosities right downtown going up. IE lights on Strand look histoic, don't they. There are other properites that have been done on Goarge Street that don't look as though they had to follow any guidlines. I love the steel beams being left exposed on the renovation on the Square. Just look around. A railing on a small house seems a bit excessive.
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Does Mr. Shepard own this property or is he spending his own money fixing what someone else can't/won't take care of? If the latter, many kudos for being so generous. The city needs more folks like him who actually give a damn about the neighborhood.
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Classic HARB - a bunch of whiny purists sweating some trivial detail that no one else will even notice. All they do is make restorations so costly and frustrating that they drive potential homeowners away. Yet they allow ugly steel and glass boxes like the CODO projects that don't fit in at all with the city's architecture. Same with the Market St garage. HARB - you're doing a poor job and holding the city back.
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F HARB and F downtown York. The overwhelming opinion is you all are a bunch of spineless bureacratic vacum cleaners that won't stop until you suck every property owner in the city DRY! The city is not Pro-business or Pro-commerce they are pro-city so they can line their pockets with someone elses hard earned money, while the bureacrats sit at their desk with their "positions" and surf the web and play on Facebook.
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yet ANOTHER example of how out of touch with reality the HARB board is. Ridiculous. They should be happy that this guy is bringing a blighted property back to use, and not hound him about a stupid hand rail. If it is tastefully done, what's the issue? I hope Mr Shepherd wins this one. Otherwise, why would anyone want to even touch an historic property downtown, knowing HARB will "require" ridiculous details that are cost prohibitive?
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yet ANOTHER example of how out of touch with reality the HARB board is. Ridiculous. They should be happy that this guy is bringing a blighted property back to use, and not hound him about a stupid hand rail. If it is tastefully done, what's the issue? I hope Mr Shepherd wins this one. Otherwise, why would anyone want to even touch an historic property downtown, knowing HARB will "require" ridiculous details that are cost prohibitive?
Yet another example of how out of touch the government of York City is with the residents. This guy is crazy to repair a city property if he plans to keep it. If you fix it up they'll tax you out of it. We're going to be well over 30 mills next year after the school district increase. More than 3 times the tax rate of some areas in York County.
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Why don't they look into the historical accuracy of all of those ridiculous planters made out of welded together junk? Oh yeah, I forgot - that's art and the artists are going to be the saviors of the city. Meanwhile, the ones with the guts to restore the blighted houses get harassed about railings. Unbelievable...
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It figures wrote:
Why don't they look into the historical accuracy of all of those ridiculous planters made out of welded together junk? Oh yeah, I forgot - that's art and the artists are going to be the saviors of the city. Meanwhile, the ones with the guts to restore the blighted houses get harassed about railings. Unbelievable...
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Apr 20, 2011
 
luckygirl wrote:
In that neighborhood someone would have that stolen and sold as scrap material in no time. Before the city worries about the kind of handrail someone puts up they should clean the city up. When I drive through the city I notice all the trash blowing around and all the house's that are in total disrepair.
That's not fair. Not all houses are in disrepair, just the ones that they are trying to hide by making one-way streets into two-way streets.

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Disapointed wrote:
This is what gets me going......I look at the little guy getting hit by HARB. Then look at the monstrosities right downtown going up. IE lights on Strand look histoic, don't they. There are other properites that have been done on Goarge Street that don't look as though they had to follow any guidlines. I love the steel beams being left exposed on the renovation on the Square. Just look around. A railing on a small house seems a bit excessive.
HARB means well but they live in an idealistic world where they want these houses to have original windows and doors and it's just not feasible in this day an age with energy conservation and crime. People have to be able to survive in their homes and that includes being able to afford repairs.

My house wasn't even in the HARB district until they made some ridiculous law that engulfed most of the center city areas or corridors to the city. I purposely didn't buy in the HARB area because I didn't have the money to maintain that type of home. But without a grandfather clause they are attempting to force me into a contract which I never agreed too.

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It figures wrote:
Why don't they look into the historical accuracy of all of those ridiculous planters made out of welded together junk? Oh yeah, I forgot - that's art and the artists are going to be the saviors of the city. Meanwhile, the ones with the guts to restore the blighted houses get harassed about railings. Unbelievable...
How about that awful Turkey Hill where the Lincoln Highway Garage once stood with that awful cinder-block Welcome to York sign in beautiful white. YIK! And as I remember that was debated for quite some time and they're going to tell me what's appropriate for my home!
Beanie

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Hey, if you start to let people deviate from doing things that are historically correct the city will start a steady decline that will leave it looking dirty and shabby and make it a refuge for undesirables.
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Beanie wrote:
Hey, if you start to let people deviate from doing things that are historically correct the city will start a steady decline that will leave it looking dirty and shabby and make it a refuge for undesirables.
Apparently what HARB wants is NOT what is historically correct!

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Which is exactly why we did not list our home with HARB. I'll be darn if someone is going to tell me what type accessories to wear.
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Imagine if we applied HARB's approach to city resdients' cars as well as their homes - no seat belts, air bags, catalytic converters, power brakes and steering or even air-conditioning! Ridiculuous right? Why insist upon building with obselete methods and materials and without modern features? You can maintain a vintage look with newer, efficient, long lasting materials that are much more affordable to the average home owner. Something like HARB could be fine for maintaining architectural STYLES, just don't create them with pricey custom inefficient windows, wood that peels and rots, and iron that rusts.
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Damn, just install an untreated wooden 2 X 2 railing, with plenty of splinters. Some idiot will most definitely 'rip out' an iron railing for 1/2 oz.(or less) of good stuff!
Myself, I have duct taped a broken shovel handle (garnered from PennDot workers leaning on them) onto the steps of my metal ghetto trailer! Damn neighbor is always attempting to steal THAT, when he runs out of gas with the old lady!
informed Yorker

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Apr 29, 2011
 
Which is exactly why we did not list our home with HARB. I'll be darn if someone is going to tell me what type accessories to wear.

You don't list your home with HARB...LOL...Your house is or isn't in the Historic District, period. The out of state slumlord in question brought a picture of a spindly, cheap railing to a HARB meeting that wouldn't have lasted a month. He then shows up at City Council with a more substantial railing and says that HARB won't let him use it. Case closed.

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