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Obama health reform turns spotlight on Canada

There are 448 comments on the Marin Independent Journal story from Aug 29, 2009, titled Obama health reform turns spotlight on Canada. In it, Marin Independent Journal reports that:

From screaming babies to frail seniors, Canadian-born or recent immigrants, the patients flow continuously through the waiting room of Dr.

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real merican

San Rafael, CA

#1 Aug 29, 2009
republican are idiots, I have never met a person from a country with socialized medicine that would trade places with the US system. Fox and Cnn have been trying to destroy reform because they are paid to do so by the insurance industry. All these old fools screaming and yelling at the town hall meetings are tools and the don't even know it it is pathetic
pwilson

Trumbull, CT

#2 Aug 29, 2009
real merican wrote:
republican are idiots, I have never met a person from a country with socialized medicine that would trade places with the US system. Fox and Cnn have been trying to destroy reform because they are paid to do so by the insurance industry. All these old fools screaming and yelling at the town hall meetings are tools and the don't even know it it is pathetic
The Us does not have a "health care system" per say. There is Private insurance that companies can purchase for their workers and other Americans who can afford to buy it. Then there is Medicare for retired persons, along with a supplement they can purchase. Lastly we have Medicaid for persons with low or no income.

All we need to do is make sure the Government programs already in use are fully funded. There is no need to "create" another program. Just reorganize and update what we have.

By the way...what is a "real merican"??? mexican-american???
Skipp

Middletown, CT

#3 Aug 29, 2009
The Dutch way of doing this is better than Canada's way.
http://scienceblogs.com/denialism/2009/05/wha...
Really makes sense.
travis

Cape Coral, FL

#4 Aug 29, 2009
real merican wrote:
republican are idiots, I have never met a person from a country with socialized medicine that would trade places with the US system. Fox and Cnn have been trying to destroy reform because they are paid to do so by the insurance industry. All these old fools screaming and yelling at the town hall meetings are tools and the don't even know it it is pathetic
I've met a quite a few actually, but they usually vote with their feet ie they leave their native land to emigrate to the US (my brother-in law is one of them).
Steve

Santa Rosa, CA

#5 Aug 29, 2009
real merican; your the idiot, Canada does not have the illegal allien problem that the US has. Hello there are over 3 million of these people in California. Alone and now they want to give them the Maple Leaf Health System. I am sorry. Oh by the way, How much developments in the Medical world has the Canadians, British and Dutch done in the last 20-30 years. Nothing, it's been the good old USA doctors and professors who have found these cures for the medical problems. If you like it so well, why don't you migrate North to Canada! What's Stopping you and Nancy Pelose, Harry Reid, and Lynn Woolsley!
No Way Jose

Lowell, MA

#6 Aug 29, 2009
real merican wrote:
republican are idiots, I have never met a person from a country with socialized medicine that would trade places with the US system. Fox and Cnn have been trying to destroy reform because they are paid to do so by the insurance industry. All these old fools screaming and yelling at the town hall meetings are tools and the don't even know it it is pathetic
I have met many many from Canada, do you know a lot of them buy private insurance? The healthcare in Canada is not very good. I have family members there and they have all complained. Do you also realize how much they pay in taxes in Canada. Please educate yourself before you spout off about things you don't know about.

You are the tool to blindly follow a political party. It is our right as Americans to protest when we disagree. Did you call people disagreeing with this war, tools? I bet not. I am glad people are standing up for what they believe in. Unlike you, we won't just lie back and take it, we will fight back. I love my country and when I see it being wronged, I will proudly stand up and protest.
Lowell2

Lowell, MA

#7 Aug 29, 2009
Real merican; do some research - special interest is in on both sides of the debate. Big pharma signed a pact with team Obama to keep money in their pocket (and drug fees high), AMA and AARP in somewhat similar roles. If we throw out special interest on both sides I think smart money stays with system we have which is best health care in the world (foreign dignitaries come here all the time) with some tweaks to ensure we have people covered economically. Everyone has health care, not everyone has coverage, big disctinction..
Lompico Marine

AOL

#13 Aug 29, 2009
real merican wrote:
republican are idiots, I have never met a person from a country with socialized medicine that would trade places with the US system. Fox and Cnn have been trying to destroy reform because they are paid to do so by the insurance industry. All these old fools screaming and yelling at the town hall meetings are tools and the don't even know it it is pathetic
Outgoing CMA president Robert Ouellet told a news conference that most doctors "believe there is an urgent need to fix Canada's health care system," learning from European countries that offer a mixed public-private universal health care system.

"We need to stop deceiving ourselves into believing that we have the best health care system in the world," he said.

seems a idiot like you should read the article
pwilson

Trumbull, CT

#14 Aug 29, 2009
The demonseeds slayer wrote:
<quoted text>if you read the bill than you would know that illegals are not covered ..perhaps you sh.ould tell republican business owners to not hire them anylonger ...and quit pawning their slave workforce of to the government and us the people to pay for ...every damed stinking business owner that hires them should get ten years jail for treason ..and all of his holdings confiscated ...that would solve the illegal problem ...only a lot of republican business owners would be in jail ...lol
There is a provision in the current bill that would let illegals "sneek in" to a US health care plan.
celebrate subversity

Gig Harbor, WA

#16 Aug 29, 2009
real merican wrote:
republican are idiots, I have never met a person from a country with socialized medicine that would trade places with the US system.....
If ignorance is bliss, you must ecstatic.

You live in Northern California...if a Canadian is ill, they're not going to cross the border and travel all the way down to California just to stand in line behind millions of illegal aliens. Come up here to the Pacific Northwest and you will see it's quite regular for cancer and terminally ill patients from Canada to come to Seattle for treatment. What's even more profound is how many ex-Canadian doctors have left their country to practice in the states. Doctors who study medicine with the goal of actually curing people have little interest socialized medicine.
pwilson

Trumbull, CT

#18 Aug 29, 2009
The demonseeds slayer wrote:
<quoted text>And whats even more amusing ..these old morons that scream in the town halls keep your hands of my medicare dont know that lyndon b johnson signed into action ...and republicans than called that socialism ...same with social security..FDR ..gave that to them ..if it was for republicans the people would live in shanty towns fighting over road kill....nothing more ignorant than these old fools foaming at the snouts ...in town halls whil they enjoy those government programs democrats afforded them ...if they the republicans want to talk about death pannels they should remind those old idiotic conservatives that they would not have medicare without democrats
First, let me say I DO NOT benefit from Medicare. I have my own private health insurance. Second, Seniors in this country are well covered by Medicare and their supplement.They are afraid Obama will change that and there is no need to "create" another health insurance bureaucracy when we have Medicare and Medicaid.
Third, The Medicare and Medicaid bills would never have passed without the help and votes of Republicans. I know. I was around then. Were you?
And lastly, your comments here have only shown who the ignorant one truly is.
real merican

San Rafael, CA

#21 Aug 30, 2009
you are all liars
GEO

United States

#22 Aug 30, 2009
Health Care is not a right. Liberals want to change that and make the working class pay for the poor and uneducated. With that said our biggest problem with Healthcare is LAWYERS the GOVT and SPECIAL INTEREST Groups They all put their hands in the cookie jar and drive up prices. If we got rid of all the red tape and trial Lawyers that attack and shackle the Dr.s it would cost us alot less. The Govt solution today will run this country into the ground! Unless they get rid of the Lawyers,Because the Lawyers will only get bigger payouts than they already do. Learn your History will we repeat it again?
GEO

United States

#23 Aug 30, 2009
The new way of thinking is to force the young working people to pay for the babayboomers health care. If thats the case just apply an extra tax on people under 35 because thats all they are going to do. Heed that warning if you are educated and in your 20s. You voted obama so get ready to pay, so you better get working harder.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#24 Aug 30, 2009
Steve wrote:
Oh by the way, How much developments in the Medical world has the Canadians, British and Dutch done in the last 20-30 years. Nothing, it's been the good old USA doctors and professors who have found these cures for the medical problems.
Totally false. Why do people prefer to guess rather than do a little research?

Novartis AG, Switzerland
GlaxoSmithKline, United Kingdom
Sanofi-Aventis, France
AstraZeneca, United Kingdom

These companies are among the ten largest pharma companies in the woirld. All do extensive research and develop cures for many diseases.

Novartis AG is the company that developed the drug that cured Lance Armstrong.
No Way Jose

Lowell, MA

#25 Aug 30, 2009
The demonseeds slayer wrote:
<quoted text>funny i have friend in canada ...that ..love it ..and they say those broke americans ...always come over there to get help ...why is that ...THE World Health organization puts canadas health care system way above the usa ..infact the usa only comes in at number 37 ...another stinking lying republican a%% wipe demonseed that is what you are
You are full of crap. For an American to get healthcare in Canada it is not so easy. My FIL was very sick in while visiting Canada, even though he had insurance here, he couldn't be seen in Canada for 2 weeks.My MIL had to drive him home to get treated. Obviously he wasn't on his death bed, but he was pretty sick.
With your name calling, name changing and anger problem you really should educate yourself before you go spouting off. I am not a republican, just a concerned American who is sick of citizens laying down and letting politicians try to raise taxes and skewer the facts to do it. Do you realize how much Canadians pay for their healthcare? Do you realize many Canadians in addition to buying their own policies have to pay those high taxes? Go see what they pay for Gas up there, food etc. Your tune might change.
You can hide behide a computer and spout vile untruths, but you can't hide your ignorance.
Man in Black

York, PA

#27 Aug 30, 2009
The demonseeds slayer wrote:
Well if canadas isnt as good ..you can always emulate the german one or the french one it comes in at number 1 and america at number 37 ..still way behind canada ....we can always do it better than the rest of them....now what lol..right now a 100000 americans die a year of lack of health care ..that makes america damed third world
The french system is partly funded by a $4 tax per liter of gasoline, and their system is STILL going broke. Something else to consider. Dutch, French, German, Ireland, Canada, all these countries have a small fraction of the population that we have. Most of their populations are productive members of society, and sadly, in better shape than we are due to our lifestyle. Comparing a Country that has 30 million people to a country that has upwards of 300 million is a bit crazy. New York city has a larger population than some of those countries. Now before you say it, just because we have more people does not mean it will be cheaper. The larger the system the more red tape will be involved, just look at our tax code. Bigger is not always better
Man in Black

York, PA

#28 Aug 30, 2009
The demonseeds slayer wrote:
<quoted text>if you read the bill than you would know that illegals are not covered ..perhaps you sh.ould tell republican business owners to not hire them anylonger ...and quit pawning their slave workforce of to the government and us the people to pay for ...every damed stinking business owner that hires them should get ten years jail for treason ..and all of his holdings confiscated ...that would solve the illegal problem ...only a lot of republican business owners would be in jail ...lol
The bill does not say it will not cover Illegals. The Bills, Senate or House, say nothing on the subject either way. What the House Bill does say is if ONE family member is covered than the WHOLE family is covered. So if a child born in the US of illegal parents is covered SO is the rest of his family. The words "illegal alien" are not there. I have both versions on the screen in front of me and did the search. Perhaps you should read them....again.

I agree that we need to stop hiring illegals and the employers should be charged, treason would be a bit much though. If you charge the employers with treason you would have to treat the illegals as spies or enemy combatants. I am sure it would work and get the message across, it seems a bit extreme.
No Way Jose

Lowell, MA

#29 Aug 30, 2009
maria wrote:
<quoted text>i grew up with national health care ...and never in my live waited ..for any treatment ..i remember when sick as a child out family doctor came buy once a day sometimes twice to see about me....grand parents ..had the doctor come buy every thursday to check on them ...you can call an emergency doctor at anytime day and night if you feel you are to sick to get up and go see one ...and they come to your house within 15-20 minutes ....our emergency rooms arent filled with people with bad colds ...and folks dont fall of emergency room chairs dead....you folks lie like dogs ....my mother had hipp surgery at 84...no waiting time ...when you folks talk about elective surgery ..what the hell do you talk about ...if a person goes to a hospital with chest pain in germany and they find blogged ateries ...you dont go home anymore ...they will do a buypass ...within days or hours depending in how much danger the person is in ...you folks just lie and lie ..now lets say canada ..and arbitrary knee surgery ..lets say you wait two month ...in canada ..because you dont have any wait in germany...at least you get your surgery ...and in america only the rich get theirs ..and the rest just have bad knees i guess...woman with breat cancer or reproductive cancers ..if the woman has nooo health care by the time her cancer is diagnosed ..she for sure is marked for death ...a 100000 americans die a year of denied treatments alone ......not to mention no health care at all.....people that lapse diabetic care ..are in nooo time on dialysis ..and later kindney transplants ...that costs wwwayyyy more than continued streamlined diabetis treatment ....and usually the transplants and dyalisis falls to the government because insurance companies love to shoovle the care of the really ill of to the big government you hate so much ...what kind of society lets his mothers ..even though working have no affordable health care //????..i tellyou a society of animals ...republican demonseed animals..america is by the way number 37 in delivery and outcome of health care spends approximatly 7500 per insured and has a 1/4 of america without any insurance ...and another 50 million underinsured .....you folks are serious ..evil satans...a country like germany spends 3500 dollars ..and folks live longer ..we have less new born death rates ...and no one waits for treatment ....did you know reagan had his prostate cancer treated in germany ...it got all hushed up ...but their had nerve sparing operations than to keep the equipment working ...while americans did old fashion radical surery ..that rendered a man impotent ...your health care sucks
Apparently the country you are from doesn't have schools.
Man in Black

York, PA

#30 Aug 30, 2009
maria wrote:
<quoted text>why would democrats change what they made certain the people got in the first place ,,,,what kind of sense does that make ...none if you ask me.....when democrats enacted medicare it was republicans unaminously voting against it ...if i was a senior i be wy more afraid of republicans than democrats ....
I had to laugh at this post. "What kind of sense does that make..." We are talking about the government here. sense has NOTHING to do with it. NOTHING the government does is simple and easy. Tax code anyone? The government is a HUGE living, breathing animal, it will continue to grow, as it grows it needs to eat. More and more money has to be brought in to sustain it let alone get it to grow. Soon it will not be able to grow any larger and it will collapse. Sustainability is the word we need to look at.

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