The Associated Press: Gay-marriage foes claim victory in Maine

Gay-marriage opponents are claiming victory in a closely watched referendum in Maine on a new state law that would have allowed same-sex couples to wed.

[Spider]

Its too close to call. You are forgetting there are 95,000 absentee ballots still waiting to be counted.

[Shadow Dragon]

Spider wrote:

Its too close to call. You are forgetting there are 95,000 absentee ballots still waiting to be counted.

But luckily Question 1 doesn't ban gay marriage it just real the law so we have another gay marriage law but next it won't put to a vote.

[mrSteven]

Spider wrote:

Its too close to call. You are forgetting there are 95,000 absentee ballots still waiting to be counted.

Where is the information that there are 95,000 absentee ballots? please share.. this happened last year with prop 8.. there were rumors going around that there was 300,000 votes werent counted..

[Joe in Novato]

The US Supreme Court is going to have to stop the stripping of American citizens civil liberties once and for all. It's gotten way out of control that some citizens feel that it is their right to oppress others' freedoms.

While we will have to continue to live degraded by our fellow citizens, our day will come.

[Joe in Novato]

Shadow Dragon wrote:

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But luckily Question 1 doesn't ban gay marriage it just real the law so we have another gay marriage law but next it won't put to a vote.

huh?

LOL - I couldn't understand what you were saying Shadow!

[Shadow Dragon]

Joe in Novato wrote:

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huh?
LOL - I couldn't understand what you were saying Shadow!

I meant it doesn't ban gay marriage it just repeal the gay marriage law,so state legislature can bring up gay marriage law.

[Duped since birth]

The headline on this article is wrong. It should not read "Gay Marriage Foes claim victory," it should read, "Gay foes claim victory." They are directly and explicitly telling me that I am not as good as them. That I should not be equal. That I should not be free to pursue happiness. I am sick. Of them and their supposed morality that flies in the face of what this country was supposedly founded upon.

I am as good as you. You can vote my rights away in election after election (you already have), but I AM AS GOOD AS YOU.

[Gryph]

When do we get to vote on straight people's right to marry?

[Spider]

mrSteven wrote:

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Where is the information that there are 95,000 absentee ballots? please share.. this happened last year with prop 8.. there were rumors going around that there was 300,000 votes werent counted..

95,000 absentee ballots is from October 29 and is outdated.

As of November 2 there are 200,000 absentee ballots waiting to be counted.

Because there are so many, the election officials were allowed to start opening them the day before the election but they weren't allowed count them.

Sixth paragraph:

"Even though they were opening and processing envelopes, no tallies were allowed to be taken before the polls close at 8 p.m. Tuesday."

http://www.seacoastonline.com/articles/200811...

[the solution]

Gryph wrote:

When do we get to vote on straight people's right to marry?

The purpose of marriage is to procreate. Whether you believe in evolution or God/Allah, it's just a fact.

[Traditional Values]

Shadow Dragon wrote:

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I meant it doesn't ban gay marriage it just repeal the gay marriage law,so state legislature can bring up gay marriage law.

SD, you tried that and the people of Maine said NO, you can't do it that way. Every time you try a end run around the people and get the legislature to give you what you want, The people are going to stand up and say NO. Until you are willing to do it right you will lose. If this is truely about what rights are granted by marriage vs rights under civil unions. Change them and leave the word "marriage" alone.

[Spider]

mrSteven wrote:

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Where is the information that there are 95,000 absentee ballots? please share.. this happened last year with prop 8.. there were rumors going around that there was 300,000 votes werent counted..

Whoa! I gave you a link from the 2008 election. Sorry.

Here is the "95,000" link but I can't get it to come up. The mpbn.net news service is down.
http://www.mpbn.net/News/YourVote2009/tabid/1...

[Shadow Dragon]

Traditional Values wrote:

<quoted text>SD, you tried that and the people of Maine said NO, you can't do it that way. Every time you try a end run around the people and get the legislature to give you what you want, The people are going to stand up and say NO. Until you are willing to do it right you will lose. If this is truely about what rights are granted by marriage vs rights under civil unions. Change them and leave the word "marriage" alone.

So you can't putt people on to vote how would like it if the shoe was on the other foot?

[Shadow Dragon]

Traditional Values wrote:

<quoted text>SD, you tried that and the people of Maine said NO, you can't do it that way. Every time you try a end run around the people and get the legislature to give you what you want, The people are going to stand up and say NO. Until you are willing to do it right you will lose. If this is truely about what rights are granted by marriage vs rights under civil unions. Change them and leave the word "marriage" alone.

BTW why don't you give up the word Marriage. YOU DON'T OWN IT.

[Spywolf]

Duped since birth wrote:

The headline on this article is wrong. It should not read "Gay Marriage Foes claim victory," it should read, "Gay foes claim victory." They are directly and explicitly telling me that I am not as good as them. That I should not be equal. That I should not be free to pursue happiness. I am sick. Of them and their supposed morality that flies in the face of what this country was supposedly founded upon.
I am as good as you. You can vote my rights away in election after election (you already have), but I AM AS GOOD AS YOU.

Face the fact you have the same rights as everyone else.

A man has a right to marry a woman, and a woman has the right to marry a man.

we both have that right! But that is not good enough for you, you want special treatment as if you are somehow better than the rest of us.

[Spider]

the solution wrote:

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The purpose of marriage is to procreate. Whether you believe in evolution or God/Allah, it's just a fact.

We order clones using our ATM card......the advantage being a clone has the same sexual orientation as the master.
http://bacpac.chori.org/order_clones.php

[Traditional Values]

Duped since birth wrote:

The headline on this article is wrong. It should not read "Gay Marriage Foes claim victory," it should read, "Gay foes claim victory." They are directly and explicitly telling me that I am not as good as them. That I should not be equal. That I should not be free to pursue happiness. I am sick. Of them and their supposed morality that flies in the face of what this country was supposedly founded upon.
I am as good as you. You can vote my rights away in election after election (you already have), but I AM AS GOOD AS YOU.

Remember that little thing called the constitution. It talks about the seperation of church and state. Thats all good to you when you want no prayer in schools, revoving "in God We Trust" from our money of the 10 commandments off walls in courts. But now you want the state to step in and grant you rights to a religious ceremony. Equal protection under the law for benefits to civil unions vs Marriage would be such a easy fight to win. Just leave the word and ideal of marriage where it belongs, 1 man and 1 woman. The people have spoken time and time again. You just refuse to hear the message.

[Joe in Novato]

Traditional Values wrote:

<quoted text>SD, you tried that and the people of Maine said NO, you can't do it that way. Every time you try a end run around the people and get the legislature to give you what you want, The people are going to stand up and say NO. Until you are willing to do it right you will lose. If this is truely about what rights are granted by marriage vs rights under civil unions. Change them and leave the word "marriage" alone.

ya, "doing it right" as you say is for the US Supreme Court to finally step up and repeal every single one of these discriminatory state laws regarding marriage equality.

[Shadow Dragon]

Spywolf wrote:

<quoted text>Face the fact you have the same rights as everyone else.
A man has a right to marry a woman, and a woman has the right to marry a man.
we both have that right! But that is not good enough for you, you want special treatment as if you are somehow better than the rest of us.

That's proves it, You want look down on gays because you hate yourself.

[Joe in Novato]

Spywolf wrote:

<quoted text>Face the fact you have the same rights as everyone else.
A man has a right to marry a woman, and a woman has the right to marry a man.
we both have that right! But that is not good enough for you, you want special treatment as if you are somehow better than the rest of us.

sorry, pal. you are WRONG. "A woman has the right to marry a man." I cannot. Not equal.