Deadly Selden co-op fire: minute by minute

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Chronology of events surrounding Monday's fire at Village in the Woods in Selden. Full Story
jsd

Northport, NY

#1 Feb 4, 2009
5:56:30 Selden firefighters get resident out and perform CPR.

6:11 Ambulance leaves the scene with victim, headed to Stony Brook Medical Center, where she is later pronounced dead.

6:00 Selden's second engine arrives at the scene, hooks up to the fire hydrant.

6:06 Selden fire chief says the water pressure from the hydrant suddenly gets very low and can no longer reach up the hill.

GOOD JOB chronicling the events. Solid journalism.

Since: Dec 08

Bridgewater, NJ

#2 Feb 4, 2009
Did we really need a step by step summation of the events?
anonymous

Brentwood, NY

#3 Feb 4, 2009
what is missing is that none of the hard wired alarms ever went off. It was 40 minutes not 20 before they got water on the fire. ABM management went around telling the homeless they still had to pay their maintenance fees, and that alarms WERE going off. There are 30 witnesses who can attest they were NOT!
ABM never responded to the fire and ddnt show up until well after it was out.
anonymous

Brentwood, NY

#4 Feb 4, 2009
Alarms never went off, no water, no response by ABM management, when they did come they were trying to cover up the fact that they didnt respond and that the alarms never went off. Regina and Rose of ABM were telling the homeless they still had to pay maintenance fees and lied to the police. No compassion at all. Heads will roll. We can wait to leave.
carol

Patchogue, NY

#5 Feb 4, 2009
I saw the defastation and I saw the residents of Redwood futiley screaming for the fire dept. to do something.
We did have 2 days when water was turned off for many hours, to boost the system. Nothing seems any different to me afterwards.
I am so sorry for all my fellow resident that are now homeless.
I hope we will really find out all of the facts to this, horrible occurence.
jsd

Northport, NY

#6 Feb 4, 2009
Yeah Carol, the fireman wanted to stand there and do nothing. You figured it out. Good for you.
I am sure that someone is gonna file a lawsuit against somebody. So get ready for the sheisters to contact you.
Dominick Kasmauskas

Schenectady, NY

#7 Feb 5, 2009
Ashame it wasn't fire sprinklered...everyone would be alive and probably home in an hour or two. Some may ask about fire sprinkler costs? I ask you....what has this fire just cost all of us? are we as a society so numb that this fire death will probably be forgotten by everyone in a day or two? how much will all of UR insurance premiums go up if these types of tragedies continue?

Since: Aug 07

New York, NY

#8 Feb 5, 2009
Dominick Kasmauskas wrote:
Ashame it wasn't fire sprinklered...everyone would be alive and probably home in an hour or two. Some may ask about fire sprinkler costs? I ask you....what has this fire just cost all of us? are we as a society so numb that this fire death will probably be forgotten by everyone in a day or two? how much will all of UR insurance premiums go up if these types of tragedies continue?
Though this wouldn't apply to this fire in this community because I understand it was built many years ago, the following could help prevent tragedies such as this from occurring in the future.

On Sunday, September 21st, the International Code Council (ICC) voted to approve a fire sprinkler mandate as part of the 2009 International Residential Code, requiring that sprinklers be included in all one- and two-family homes and townhouses built to the code as of Jan. 1, 2011.

While the fire service has been fighting for too many years to have this type of code adopted it is now facing challenges. Unfortunately, this much needed protection, is facing a major opposition campaign from the National Association of Home Builders (NAHB). They are basing their opposition on the cost involved with installing such systems. This argument just doesn't stand-up. A 2007 U.S. Dept of Commerce National Institute of Standards and Technology "Benefit-Cost Analysis of Residential Fire Sprinklers" finds the added cost of the systems to be under $3000. If the cost of building an average house in the U.S. were $150,000, a $3000 sprinkler system would be a 2% increase in cost. And insurance premiums would likely be reduced resulting in the system "paying for itself" over several years.

Please contact your local and state legislators and tell them that you want this code adopted. It will protect lives and property.

http://www.bfrl.nist.gov/oae/publications/nis ...
anonymous

Brentwood, NY

#9 Feb 5, 2009
we pay 6-800$ a month in maintenance fees at Village in the woods. What for? It snows, we shovel, we get a pool for 3 months out of the year that costs an additional $50 to use, and is never skimmed, we cant use water to wash our cars, the lawn cerw comes 1x a week, and our alarms don't work. Id rather see that money go towards a sprinkler system.
Displaced resident

New York, NY

#10 Feb 5, 2009
The fire dept may be to blame for not being adequately prepared but.....No one at this point has stepped up and taken responsibility for the lack of water pressure. There are reports that the water pressure issue did not cause the young lady to loose her life. If they had sufficient pressure levels, they could have had a better shot at saving her. They also could have minimized the damages to the building. If that were the case then the 15 other families in the building would not be scattering to find places to live while this mess is sorted out.
Displaced resident

New York, NY

#11 Feb 5, 2009
With that said......Being a resident of Redwood court, my heart goes out to Amy's family. There are many unanswered questions at this point. Who is responsible to maintain the water pressure levels? Who is responsible to maintain the building fire alarm system? The fact that an ABM rep & a VITW board member had the nerve to state to each Redwood Ct resident on Monday morning approx. 10:30-12:30 "Even though there was a fire, you still need to make your monthly maintenance payments" is completely ill timed, un compassionate, and not respectful. How could anyone at a time like that worry about a maintenance payment being sent in. ABM management, the Board for VITW (which I might add is a volunteer board, they are NOT acting employees of the Village in the Woods Corporation), and the top 2 board members (President & Treasurer) are husband and wife) still have not contacted any residents to discuss any contingence plans. The lack of communication regarding any matters is preposterous. It almost seems like these two individuals do what they want when they want. And don't forget about the maintenance manager who does absolutely nothing along with the 2-3 man crew. I am so disgusted with this whole situation. There is a possibility this complete tragedy could have been prevented if the people in charge would do their jobs instead of worrying about what is in their best interest instead of what is in the best interest of the community!!!!
Selden

Bayport, NY

#12 Feb 5, 2009
Displaced resident wrote:
The fire dept may be to blame for not being adequately prepared but.....No one at this point has stepped up and taken responsibility for the lack of water pressure. There are reports that the water pressure issue did not cause the young lady to loose her life. If they had sufficient pressure levels, they could have had a better shot at saving her. They also could have minimized the damages to the building. If that were the case then the 15 other families in the building would not be scattering to find places to live while this mess is sorted out.
You dont get it do you!? The 2 firefighter who rescued her had her out of the building within minutes. The 2 were off the truck and in the house and out as the hose crew was coming up the stairs. Water wouldnt have saved her!!! A working alarm system...well that might have. Instead of the residents smelling smoke and investigating, the smoke detector would have done that and set off the alarm system. That annoying bell would have promted someone outside or to pur 2 and 2 together with the smell of smoke. Shame on the home owners assoc for not demanding the pump fixed when the brenton woods fire occured in 2005 and they knew of the problem. The answer was that it was to expensive to fix. i wonder what that 29 yr old girls life was worth to them. The fix sounds cheap now, doesn't it?!
Displaced resident

New York, NY

#13 Feb 6, 2009
Selden wrote:
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You dont get it do you!? The 2 firefighter who rescued her had her out of the building within minutes. The 2 were off the truck and in the house and out as the hose crew was coming up the stairs. Water wouldnt have saved her!!! A working alarm system...well that might have. Instead of the residents smelling smoke and investigating, the smoke detector would have done that and set off the alarm system. That annoying bell would have promted someone outside or to pur 2 and 2 together with the smell of smoke. Shame on the home owners assoc for not demanding the pump fixed when the brenton woods fire occured in 2005 and they knew of the problem. The answer was that it was to expensive to fix. i wonder what that 29 yr old girls life was worth to them. The fix sounds cheap now, doesn't it?!
Yeah, I get it!!!! Maybe you don't. This tragedy should have been avoided. My point is if all of the measures that are put in place (i.e. Fire alarms, smoke detection systems, water pressure levels) worked correctly, then maybe this would not have happened. If the alarms sounded, people would have been alerted, maybe the fire dept. arrives quicker & Amy is saved.
Should have, could have, would have......all conjecture at this point. Because the combination of system failures, someone has died and 15 families are homeless. The families are now homeless because of the water issue.
Jim Kiley

Washington, DC

#14 Feb 6, 2009
It is a real tragedy that Amy died as a result of the Selden fire. My deepest sympathies go out to her family, boyfriend and other friends
resident

Union City, NJ

#15 Feb 13, 2009
As a reult of a tragedy the actions that now have to take place come to late regarding fire hydrants. If people werent outside yelling and knocking on doors to alert us we would have never known the building was on fire. Then after failing alarms we had to watch as the fire hydrant didnt supply the water to put the fire out. Families with children could have lost there children and couples may no longer be couples because alarms did not sound. Other communities such as Fairfield complexes hired a company ASAP to come in and check the hydrants to make sure a tragedy like this does not happen in there complex while others had to wait until told. This should be done no matter what water should be checked to make sure the fire dept can do their job it is not their fault if the people responsible to check the hydrants arent doing their job. Our deepest sympathy goes to Amy's Family. To the rest of the residents hang in and stay strong.
hope all is well

Medford, NY

#16 Nov 25, 2009
Are these families home yet?

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