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Pops

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<quoted text>Isn't it funny, that whatever the right wing accuses the left wing of doing, they are the ones actually doing it? Remember when they opposed Obamacare because it "put the government between you and your doctor"? How they want the government to keep it's hands off their healthcare? Of course, when they are in power, that's exactly what they do. These anti-abortion laws, whether it's requiring invasive ultrasounds or preventing medically-advised abortions, do exactly that. They put legal obstacles between the doctor and the patient in one of the most important, heart wrenching and life-altering decisions that a patient can face.
What business does the government have by telling doctor's how to do Their jobs? In what other field of medicine does the government require that are to be internally probed, as demanded by a legislator and not their doctor? Do you think women are stupid and need to be controlled by government.
How about them idiots that turned down the Violence Against Act? If you even have a women, I feel sorry for her.
All things that you have mentioned still brings me to my experienced conclusion that I do NOT trust the government to draw a bath.
Look at so called Social Security, USPS, Medicaid, Medicare, highway infrastructure, the IRS, the National Park Service Etc Etc.
I have NO problem with some of the Affordable Health Care issues such as doing away with pre-existing conditions, insurance across state lines, the youth being on a parents policy until age 26 & more BUT why must the Federal Government be in charge????? Answer, POWER & Control.
And WHY the IRS in control? An agency that does NOT submit to warrants & can & DOES consficate property with OUT court approval.
But then are the FACTS that approx 30,000,000 will still NOT be covered by insurance, there are doctors that will retire because of 'Affordable Health Care' that will possibly bankrupt this country, has CLEARLY NOT helped employment numbers & will raise taxes.
I could go on but IF this isn't enough, someone is sleeping under a bridge & smoking wonder weed
Pops

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#20721
Sep 27, 2013
 
At this time it would be appropriate that I add these same representatives of ALL of us have promised balanced budgets & reducing the deficit election after election after election.
YEA, Right!!
They are the best reason for term limits.
Canton4President

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So let me make sure I got this right. The overwhelming majority of the scientific community is some secret Liberal ploy. The overwhelming majority of college professors are behind a commie Liberal ploy to indoctrinate America's youth. The overwhelming majority of the media is part of some Liberal scheme. The overwhelming majority of the work force is part of some socialist movement and looking for a free ride. The overwhelming majority of our servicemen are looked at as "freeloaders" looking for a "hand out". An overwhelming majority of our seniors are just sucking off the teat of Obama for a government freebie. An overwhelming majority of American voters were motivated by a free cell phone.

Hey "silent majority". You guys ever listen to just how f@cking stupid you sound to an overwhelming majority of not only this great nation, but the entire f@cking world?
Canton4President

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xxxrayted wrote:
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You people are like puppets. Democrat politicians say--you do.
Politicians say War on Women, and the sheep parrot it all over the internet. Politicians say Fake Scandals, and once again, the sheep parrot it all over the internet.
Every single one of DumBama's scandals are true. People died. He and his racist AG played dodge ball with each and every one of them.
You would look more intelligent if when some leftist politician makes a claim, you look into it before mindlessly repeating what he or she said.
Like I said, when it comes to being a statically proven lower IQ sheep, I'm just really not that religious.
Canton4President

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You might be able to make that claim if DumBama wasn't trying to lead us into Socialism or perhaps was a success as President. But that's not what's happening.
He is a Socialist that took over 1/6th of our private economy. He is a failure as the people in our country are more dependent on government than ever before. Less people working, median household incomes lower than when he took office, record number of poor people, and the list goes on and on.
You should pay attention to your leaders. Even the liberal politicians realize that the race card is a dead hand. It's like the boy that cried wolf. Nobody even pays attention to it anymore. Furthermore that fake guilt trip doesn't work on us conservatives.
So what you Tea Bagger rightwingers are all saying is...

"The government is afraid of the guns people have because they have to have control of the people at all times. Once you take away the guns, you can do anything to the people. You give them an inch and they take a mile. I believe we are slowly turning into a socialist government. The government is continually growing bigger and more powerful and the people need to prepare to defend themselves against government control"

A direct quote from child murderer and domestic terrorist, Timothy McVeigh.

Oopsie. Somebody's agenda is sick and twisted.
Canton4President

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Anders Behring

A true Tea Party hero. That is when he isn't firing into crowds of children because they are part of some "Socialist" ploy. 80 plus killed. Poster child for the Tea Party.
Old Guy

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Pops wrote:
<quoted text>All things that you have mentioned still brings me to my experienced conclusion that I do NOT trust the government to draw a bath.
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How do you feel about our military? Do you trust that branch of our government?(They are the ones with nuclear weapons.)

[QUOTE who="Pops"]<quote d text>Look at so called Social Security, USPS, Medicaid, Medicare, highway infrastructure, the IRS, the National Park Service Etc Etc.
Well, as an old fart, I think Social Security is one of the best things that ever happened. Working people no longer have to descend in to crushing poverty, just because they get old.

And I like Medicaid & Medicare, too. Do you really not see the value? Maybe you've been very healthy, so far. Lucky you.

You have problems with Ike's Interstate Highway System??? You don't think our roads are vital to our economic health?

And I like the National Parks. I think it's a wonderful idea to try to preserve a few natural spaces.

But, maybe you're right. When old people get sick, let them die. Privatize the Interstate System, and have tolls every half mile or so. Tear down the National Parks, and put up trailer parks instead.

Better?
Pops wrote:
<quoted text>I have NO problem with some of the Affordable Health Care issues such as doing away with pre-existing conditions, insurance across state lines, the youth being on a parents policy until age 26...
They are all great ideas for our society that never happened with our "free market" insurance system. But isn't that socialist talk???
Old Guy

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Sep 28, 2013
 
Well, that quoting didn't work so well.

Gee, I wish Topix would let me edit my posts...
xxxrayted

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Old Guy wrote:
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Well, as an old fart, I think Social Security is one of the best things that ever happened. Working people no longer have to descend in to crushing poverty, just because they get old.
And I like Medicaid & Medicare, too. Do you really not see the value? Maybe you've been very healthy, so far. Lucky you.
You have problems with Ike's Interstate Highway System??? You don't think our roads are vital to our economic health?
And I like the National Parks. I think it's a wonderful idea to try to preserve a few natural spaces.
But, maybe you're right. When old people get sick, let them die. Privatize the Interstate System, and have tolls every half mile or so. Tear down the National Parks, and put up trailer parks instead.
Better?
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They are all great ideas for our society that never happened with our "free market" insurance system. But isn't that socialist talk???
Of course you think SS is one of the best things that ever happened. You get much more back than you paid in. That's why the system is going broke. Then there is Medicaid speaking of broke. It's a system that is breaking states; one of the largest expenditures causing many to be in red ink.

Medicare? Yet another program that costs more than we can afford. And yet another program that you will likely get back much more than you paid in. For crying out loud, a major surgery can cost around $50,000. That's only one procedure. How many procedures does a retired person have before they pass away at the average age of 78 years old?
xxxrayted

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Canton4President wrote:
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So what you Tea Bagger rightwingers are all saying is...
"The government is afraid of the guns people have because they have to have control of the people at all times. Once you take away the guns, you can do anything to the people. You give them an inch and they take a mile. I believe we are slowly turning into a socialist government. The government is continually growing bigger and more powerful and the people need to prepare to defend themselves against government control"
A direct quote from child murderer and domestic terrorist, Timothy McVeigh.
Oopsie. Somebody's agenda is sick and twisted.
"To disarm the people is the most effectual way to enslave them."
- George Mason

"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every country in Europe."
- Noah Webster

"A government resting on the minority is an aristocracy, not a Republic, and could not be safe with a numerical and physical force against it, without a standing army, an enslaved press and a disarmed populace."
- James Madison

"Americans have the right and advantage of being armed, unlike the people of other countries, whose leaders are afraid to trust them with arms."
- James Madison

A lot of real sickos in the world.
woo-boy

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Sep 28, 2013
 
xxxrayted wrote:
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Of course you think SS is one of the best things that ever happened. You get much more back than you paid in. That's why the system is going broke. Then there is Medicaid speaking of broke. It's a system that is breaking states; one of the largest expenditures causing many to be in red ink.
Medicare? Yet another program that costs more than we can afford. And yet another program that you will likely get back much more than you paid in. For crying out loud, a major surgery can cost around $50,000. That's only one procedure. How many procedures does a retired person have before they pass away at the average age of 78 years old?
Then turn it down and die alone, which you probably are.You can go out with Sara screaming "DEATH PANELS".
woo-boy

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Sep 28, 2013
 
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More vote buying, it's just the uninformed voter fails to understand this.
Now why don't you show me where in the US Constitution the requirement is for the federal government to be involved in local and state criminal cases? I read the Constitution plenty of times, I've never seen this provision.
Much like hate crime laws that provide harsher sentencing for victims that are potential Democrat voters, this law does almost the exact same thing.
Our local and state courts can take care of themselves thank you. Some of us just happen to believe that the federal government need not control every aspect of our lives.
An abortion is not the most important, life altering, heart wrenching decision a patient can face; a heart transplant or kidney transplant is.
"If you want to keep your insurance plan--you can." Proven to be utter bull ship because most people get their coverage through their employer. Employers are dropping their coverage for their employees like flies. This is the first time in American history where people are "taxed" by the federal government for not buying something--especially something they don't even want.
Maybe when the Republicans regain power, they can tax those people who don't own firearms, or those who don't have X amount of their income in investments. How about those who don't contribute to donations to charity or religion? Let's tax all people who don't comply to a political agenda based on who is in power at the time!
You've never had to see someone go through a life saving abortion evidently. It's not your body or your life, keep your nose where it belongs and let the woman and her doctor make that decision. Yes it is a heart wrenching decision and stays with them the rest of their lives.
xxxrayted

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woo-boy wrote:
<quoted text>Then turn it down and die alone, which you probably are.You can go out with Sara screaming "DEATH PANELS".
Oh, is that the way we solve problems in this country now? Fine with me.

If you don't want to deal with abortion or it's regulations, don't get pregnant with a baby you don't want.
c_town

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Sep 28, 2013
 
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Pops

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Sep 28, 2013
 
Old Guy wrote:
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Well, as an old fart, I think Social Security is one of the best things that ever happened. Working people no longer have to descend in to crushing poverty, just because they get old.
And I like Medicaid & Medicare, too. Do you really not see the value? Maybe you've been very healthy, so far. Lucky you.
You have problems with Ike's Interstate Highway System??? You don't think our roads are vital to our economic health?
And I like the National Parks. I think it's a wonderful idea to try to preserve a few natural spaces.
But, maybe you're right. When old people get sick, let them die. Privatize the Interstate System, and have tolls every half mile or so. Tear down the National Parks, and put up trailer parks instead.
Better?
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They are all great ideas for our society that never happened with our "free market" insurance system. But isn't that socialist talk???
This may surprise you but I agree to the need & benefit of ALL of these programs. I didn't once say that I was against any of them. It is the government wasteful & inefficient control such as the commonly known fact that I.O.U.'s literally exist for money borrowed from the SS fund to 'balance' the budget in the past & it's still growing on steroids. Then appropriate 'cost of living adjustments' are reduced in subsequent years.
We all also know that IF all of what we, as individuals, invested our life time 'contributions', that we could retire with greater amounts.
I find it difficult to trust the many representatives that exempt themselves from Affordable Health Care, Social Security, & more.
The programs themselves are fine, it's the administration there-of that bothers me greatly.
Pops

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Sep 28, 2013
 
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I think being a compulsive liar is a little more shrink worthy than the fact that I busted you at it. Now will your insurance pay for that or will you be leaning on one of those "Socialist" programs to pay your bills?
You are an interesting character.
You have about 4 'points' that you put into rotation in your posts.
Someone is a liar, or a racist, or you 'busted them' or they are a Tea Bagger.
Can you come up with anything of substance?
Here you suggest that I am leaning on 'Socialist' programs & in post #20726, Old Guy seems to think that I am dogging the programs. Interesting....
xxxrayted

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Sep 28, 2013
 
Pops wrote:
<quoted text>This may surprise you but I agree to the need & benefit of ALL of these programs. I didn't once say that I was against any of them. It is the government wasteful & inefficient control such as the commonly known fact that I.O.U.'s literally exist for money borrowed from the SS fund to 'balance' the budget in the past & it's still growing on steroids. Then appropriate 'cost of living adjustments' are reduced in subsequent years.
We all also know that IF all of what we, as individuals, invested our life time 'contributions', that we could retire with greater amounts.
I find it difficult to trust the many representatives that exempt themselves from Affordable Health Care, Social Security, & more.
The programs themselves are fine, it's the administration there-of that bothers me greatly.
These programs are not fine because they are administered by our federal government. Retirement plans, healthcare plans, poverty plans are not what the federal government is supposed to do. States doing these kinds of things? Different story. Any state is allowed (if permissible by their state Constitution) to provide any kind of benevolence they desire.

Well..... we have all these wonderful safety nets now, and what do we have to show for it? Serious debt, less responsible people, and obligation that we can't afford.

The fix? Some say make people work later and not retire until the age of 67 or more. This brilliant idea is usually promoted by suit and ties sitting behind a microphone at a radio station or in front of a television camera.

The problem is that some jobs can't be worked safely up to that age. Are we to expect roofers to carry shingles two or more stories high up a ladder at that age? What about bricklayers? How about laborers that have to carry that cement, bricks and blocks to the work site? The older you get, the tougher it is to take those heavy garbage cans to the curb. Imagine emptying those garbage cans into a garbage truck for a living at the age of 66.

Heck, I'll even use my career as an example. Do you want to be in the car in front of me when I'm piloting a 70,000 lbs tractor-tralier in the rain or snow at the age of 67 and we come to a sudden stop?
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"To disarm the people is the most effectual way to enslave them."
- George Mason
"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every country in Europe."
- Noah Webster
"A government resting on the minority is an aristocracy, not a Republic, and could not be safe with a numerical and physical force against it, without a standing army, an enslaved press and a disarmed populace."
- James Madison
"Americans have the right and advantage of being armed, unlike the people of other countries, whose leaders are afraid to trust them with arms."
- James Madison
A lot of real sickos in the world.
You really should read up a little more. considering you started with George Mason being a symbol for all you stand for as a "Constitutionalist". He's the slave owner who refused to sign the Constitution.(insert silly spring noise sound effect here-
B-o-o-I-I-I-I-I-n-g)

I'm sure he pictured 16 year old urban youth owning AK-47s with 50 round clips when he made this statement though...right?

Also, none of the people you named here mention their vision of our country turning into an evil Socialist tyranny.

You know, like how you and Timothy McVeigh do.
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Sep 28, 2013
 
Now let's move on to Noah Webster. Another person you listed as a shining example of what you stand for. He was a Federalist who loved big banks, big government and keeping strong ties to Great Britain.

That is the opposite of what you and the Tea Party hero, Timothy McVeigh believe in. So...

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xxxrayted wrote:
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Oh, is that the way we solve problems in this country now? Fine with me.
If you don't want to deal with abortion or it's regulations, don't get pregnant with a baby you don't want.
So you are anti-abortion, believe in Jesus Christ and are not religious. No wonder you constantly vote against your own interests. You are too stupid to realize your own agenda.

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