Old Guy

New Carlisle, OH

#19881 Aug 10, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
If Republicans were serious about national healthcare, they would have introduced a serious bill after they took leadership of Congress. They didn't. They soon realized that the public was totally against national healthcare.
Really? Most of the older folks I talk to like the idea of no exclusions for pre-existing conditions. And my younger friends like having their kids covered by their insurance until they are 26. Other aspects of the Affordable Care Act have also found wide public support:

"The Kaiser poll shows that some of the major provisions of the law enjoy tremendous bipartisan support, with 71% of respondents supporting Medicaid expansion, 80% of people supporting the new health insurance exchanges and closing the Medicare “doughnut hole,” and a whopping 88% of people in favor of health insurance tax credits to small businesses."

http://www.policymic.com/articles/30657/obama...

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#19882 Aug 10, 2013
Old Guy wrote:
<quoted text>
Really? Most of the older folks I talk to like the idea of no exclusions for pre-existing conditions. And my younger friends like having their kids covered by their insurance until they are 26. Other aspects of the Affordable Care Act have also found wide public support:
"The Kaiser poll shows that some of the major provisions of the law enjoy tremendous bipartisan support, with 71% of respondents supporting Medicaid expansion, 80% of people supporting the new health insurance exchanges and closing the Medicare “doughnut hole,” and a whopping 88% of people in favor of health insurance tax credits to small businesses."
http://www.policymic.com/articles/30657/obama...
problem is the cons out weigh the pros.
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#19883 Aug 10, 2013
Old Guy wrote:
<quoted text>
Really? Most of the older folks I talk to like the idea of no exclusions for pre-existing conditions. And my younger friends like having their kids covered by their insurance until they are 26. Other aspects of the Affordable Care Act have also found wide public support:
"The Kaiser poll shows that some of the major provisions of the law enjoy tremendous bipartisan support, with 71% of respondents supporting Medicaid expansion, 80% of people supporting the new health insurance exchanges and closing the Medicare “doughnut hole,” and a whopping 88% of people in favor of health insurance tax credits to small businesses."
http://www.policymic.com/articles/30657/obama...
I guess it depends on who you ask:

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/big-majoritie...

If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait until you see what it costs for free.

Let me ask: do you think it would be a good idea that we force auto insurance companies to take customers with dangerous driving records or multiple DUI"s? What do you think that would do to your insurance rate?

How about insurance companies that insure homes? Do you think the government should force insurance companies to cover people who are constantly getting flooded out or repeated house fires? And if so, what do you think that would do to your home insurance rates?

If you answered no to both of those questions, then why would you approve of health insurance companies being forced to accept people with preexisting conditions?
Cops

South Point, OH

#19884 Aug 10, 2013
I think Trent Smoot should run for Gov
BUBBA

Kenton, OH

#19886 Aug 11, 2013
You people sound like someone with a paper ass and it's all torn up---all blow and no go
d pantz

United States

#19888 Aug 11, 2013
woo-boy wrote:
<quoted text>Wow! your IQ test results came back. They're negative.
good reply. My health insurance got more HR personal at the corporation I work for said its only going to keep going up. When it gets cheaper I will make sure to tell them their IQ scores are in the negative....
d pantz

United States

#19889 Aug 11, 2013
My premiums went up. sorry about the in complete sentence
d pantz

United States

#19890 Aug 11, 2013
woo-boy wrote:
<quoted text>It's 2013 not 1794, they didn't have huge corporations, Wall Street and huge banks buying the government back then.
you're wrong. The revolutionary war started in part by british merchant banks not accepting fiat currency from the colonies for private debts.
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#19891 Aug 11, 2013
d pantz wrote:
<quoted text> good reply. My health insurance got more HR personal at the corporation I work for said its only going to keep going up. When it gets cheaper I will make sure to tell them their IQ scores are in the negative....
I told my employer I was looking to drop our healthcare coverage because it didn't cover anything. He was upset because he pays so much for health insurance and it's not helping his employees. He had to keep getting cheaper and cheaper coverage because of the cost since this moron became president.

I explained to him that I discussed the problem with the billing people at the facility I go to. She told me that if I didn't have any healthcare insurance, the clinic would cover me for everything from a simple doctors visit to major surgery.

Sounds all fine and dandy, right? Wrong. The Communist will take money from me if I go that route as of next year. I will have to have healthcare coverage and may end up in the same situation I'm in today. If not for the Communists, my problems would pretty much be solved.

I was discussing this situation with one of my tenants. She and her live-in boyfriend both work fast food jobs because they don't want to give up smoking pot to get a real jobs. In that discussion, I was bashing DumBama.

She told me that because of DumBama, she and her boyfriend have excellent medical coverage. So what this complete idiot did was fix it so that those who want to smoke pot and make low income to have better medical coverage than a person like me who invested his money in real estate and took on a career as a professional tractor-trailer operator.

DumBama and the Democrats are mortal enemies of responsible hard working people.
Old Guy

New Carlisle, OH

#19892 Aug 11, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
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I explained to him that I discussed the problem with the billing people at the facility I go to. She told me that if I didn't have any healthcare insurance, the clinic would cover me for everything from a simple doctors visit to major surgery.
Wow! So you've found a "facility" that offers free healthcare, including major surgery? Why don't you share this discovery with the rest of us?

Since everything is covered, why do they need "billing people"?
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#19893 Aug 11, 2013
Old Guy wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow! So you've found a "facility" that offers free healthcare, including major surgery? Why don't you share this discovery with the rest of us?
Since everything is covered, why do they need "billing people"?
Not sure, perhaps it's because I've been a lifelong patient. They also have a program with people like myself who now have crummy insurance, but it only applies if you make less than $11,000 per year.

I don't know if it's a clinic policy or a government policy. But she told me they used to have a program for people like myself and it had no minimum income, but they got rid of it for some reason.
UdintEARNthat

Canton, OH

#19897 Aug 12, 2013
UdintBuildThat wrote:
<quoted text>
Social Security is a straight up ponzi scheme.
Strange how most folks who are against Social Security are already getting theirs.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#19898 Aug 12, 2013
UdintEARNthat wrote:
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Strange how most folks who are against Social Security are already getting theirs.
The reason people are against Social Security is because there is no Rights to Social Security and the U.S. Social Security Administration even tells you on their Webpage with the link below that there is no rights and can be taken away or eliminated at any time and the Federal Government now wants to take the Private & the Railroad Pensions along with 401K's and dump them into Social Security Ponzi Scheme and after that, that is when the Federal Government will drop the ball and tell everyone you have no rights to Social Security and is the reason why most people do not trust these Modern Liberals and Modern Conservatives which both like certain aspects of Modern Pseudo Liberalism and some aspects they don't.

Supreme Court Case: Flemming vs. Nestor

http://www.ssa.gov/history/nestor.html

Social Security’s Sham Guarantee

By Michael D. Tanner

May 29, 2005

How many times during the recent debate over Social Security reform have you heard someone refer to Social Security’s “guaranteed benefit”? The AARP says “Social Security is the guaranteed part of your retirement plan.” Nancy Pelosi, the Democratic leader in the House, touts the system’s “guaranteed retirement benefit.” The liberal activist group ProtectYourCheck.org , headed by former Clinton chief of staff Harold Ickes, is running ads calling Social Security “a guarantee you earned.”

But Social Security benefits are not guaranteed.

They are not guaranteed legally because workers have no contractual or property rights to any benefits whatsoever. In two landmark cases, Flemming v. Nestor and Helvering v. Davis, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that Social Security taxes are not contributions or savings, but simply taxes, and that Social Security benefits are simply a government spending program, no different than, say, farm price supports. Congress and the president may change, reduce, or even eliminate benefits at any time.

http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/s...
Pops

Newport, KY

#19899 Aug 12, 2013
If it's a tax to begin with, why & how is it legal to tax it when it is disbursed?
I believe that this question made it to the SCOTUS but I lack clarity on that.
Pops

Newport, KY

#19900 Aug 12, 2013
UdintEARNthat wrote:
<quoted text>
Strange how most folks who are against Social Security are already getting theirs.
This statement is based on what?

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#19901 Aug 12, 2013
Pops wrote:
If it's a tax to begin with, why & how is it legal to tax it when it is disbursed?
I believe that this question made it to the SCOTUS but I lack clarity on that.
it is legal because under Article 1 Section 8 Clause 1, The very first power given to Congress by the US Constitution which is the power to tax and Money is power and the bases for the Social Security Act of 1935 which is Congress's Power to Tax under the US Constitution and why Social Security is no different than any different Federal Government Program that can be altered or eliminated at anytime which is what the SCOTUS confirmed in 1960 in Flemming V. Nestor.

Article 1, Section 8

Clause 1. The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

The very first power given to Congress by the Constitution is the power to tax. Money is power, and in the governmental structure created by the Constitution, Congress—not the president—controls the money. Congress also has the power to levy tariffs (taxes on imported goods) but it's not allowed to charge more for imports into one state than into another. The Framers of the Constitution probably put the tax power first on the list of Congress's enumerated powers because they were acutely aware that one of the biggest problems of the old Articles of Confederation was that its version of Congress did not have the power to tax, and thus didn't have the power to do much of anything at all.

http://www.shmoop.com/constitution/article-1-...
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#19902 Aug 12, 2013
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>it is legal because under Article 1 Section 8 Clause 1, The very first power given to Congress by the US Constitution which is the power to tax and Money is power and the bases for the Social Security Act of 1935 which is Congress's Power to Tax under the US Constitution and why Social Security is no different than any different Federal Government Program that can be altered or eliminated at anytime which is what the SCOTUS confirmed in 1960 in Flemming V. Nestor.
http://www.shmoop.com/constitution/article-1-...
That's a bit different.

You get taxed when something exchanges hands. This is the first time Americans have been taxed when something doesn't exchange hands. Therefore, it's not a tax but a penalty.

I get taxed on SS and Medicare, but, it's a tax to support a program that I will participate in later in life should I live so long. I get taxed when I buy something from the store. Again, those taxes go to support something. I get taxed on my property. Those taxes go to the county, city and schools all to support those entities.

Now I'm going to get "taxed" for NOT having an insurance policy. What does this supposed tax go to support?

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#19903 Aug 12, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
That's a bit different.
You get taxed when something exchanges hands. This is the first time Americans have been taxed when something doesn't exchange hands. Therefore, it's not a tax but a penalty.
I get taxed on SS and Medicare, but, it's a tax to support a program that I will participate in later in life should I live so long. I get taxed when I buy something from the store. Again, those taxes go to support something. I get taxed on my property. Those taxes go to the county, city and schools all to support those entities.
Now I'm going to get "taxed" for NOT having an insurance policy. What does this supposed tax go to support?
but the Social Security tax is just another tax that goes to the General Fund and the Federal Government can spend it anyway they want which the SCOTUS ruled in 1937 in Helvering v. Davis and there is nothing special about the Social Security tax which just gives the US Federal Government justification to tax for more money is all and what people don't get is just look at Nestor who was taxed for 19 years and SCOTUS told he had no rights to Social Security because Congress made changes to the Requirements of Social Security in 1954 and made him ineligible which under the Social Security Act of 1935 Congress has that Right under Section 1104 of the 1935 Act, entitled "RESERVATION OF POWER," specifically said: "The right to alter, amend, or repeal any provision of this Act is hereby reserved to the Congress." Even so, some have thought that this reservation was in some way unconstitutional. This is the issue finally settled by Flemming v. Nestor.

and if you really want to know the purpose getting taxed for not having Health Insurance it is like any other tax created by the Federal Government and that is to help fund the Federal Government which is the purpose of taxes and the bases of Socialism.

http://www.ssa.gov/history/nestor.html
mikey

United States

#19904 Aug 12, 2013
This 4th grade teacher has said it all, and she was brave enough to attach her name to it.
The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue
Washington, DC 20500
Mr. Obama:
I have had it with you and your administration, sir. Your conduct on your recent trip overseas has convinced me that you are not an adequate representative of the United States of America collectively or of me personally.
You are so obsessed with appeasing the Europeans and the Muslim world that you have abdicated the responsibilities of the President of the United States of America . You are responsible to the citizens of the United States . You are not responsible to the peoples of any other country on earth.
I personally resent that you go around the world apologizing for the United States telling Europeans that we are arrogant and do not care about their status in the world. Sir, what do you think the First World War and the Second World War were all about if not the consideration of the peoples of Europe ? Are you brain dead? What do you think the Marshall Plan was all about? Do you not understand or know the history of the 20th century?
Where do you get off telling a Muslim country that the United States does not consider itself a Christian country? Have you not read the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution of the United States ? This country was founded on Judeo-Christian ethics and the principles governing this country, at least until you came along, come directly from this heritage. Do you not understand this?
Your bowing to the king of Saudi Arabia is an affront to all Americans. Our President does not bow down to anyone, let alone the king of Saudi Arabia .... You didn't show Great Britain , our best and one of our oldest allies, the respect they deserve yet you bow down to the king of Saudi Arabia .. How dare you, sir! How dare you!
You can't find the time to visit the graves of our greatest generation because you don't want to offend the Germans but make time to visit a mosque in Turkey ...... You offended our dead and every veteran when you give the Germans more respect than the people who saved the German people from themselves. What's the matter with you? I am convinced that you and the members of your administration have the historical and intellectual depth of a mud puddle and should be ashamed of yourselves, all of you.
You are so self-righteously offended by the big bankers and the American automobile manufacturers yet do nothing about the real thieves in this situation, Mr. Dodd, Mr. Frank, Franklin Raines, Jamie Gorelic, the Fannie Mae bonuses, and the Freddie Mac bonuses. What do you intend to do about them? Anything? I seriously doubt it.
What about the U.S. House members passing out $9.1 million in bonuses to their staff members on top of the $2.5 million in automatic pay raises that lawmakers gave themselves? I understand the average House aide got a 17% bonus. I took a 5% cut in my pay to save jobs with my employer. You haven't said anything about that. Who authorized that? I surely didn't!
Executives at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac will be receiving $210 million in bonuses over an eighteen-month period, that's $45 million more than the AIG bonuses. In fact, Fannie and Freddie executives have already been awarded $51 million not a bad take. Who authorized that and why haven't you expressed your outrage at this group who are largely responsible for the economic mess we have right now?
I resent that you take me and my fellow citizens as brain-dead and not caring about what you idiots do. We are watching what you are doing and we are getting increasingly fed up with all of you.
I also want you to know that I personally find just about everything you do and say to be offensive to every one of my sensibilities.

Sincerely,

Ms Kathleen Lyday
Old Guy

New Carlisle, OH

#19905 Aug 13, 2013
mikey wrote:
This 4th grade teacher has said it all, and she was brave enough to attach her name to it.
She didn't write it...

http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/ihaveh...

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