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Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#28541 May 19, 2014
Canton wrote:
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I knew Hillary was in the hospital, although I didn't know Karl Rove was a neuroscientist. It was just an obvious and desperate political move on Rove's part to put doubt on Hillary's ability to lead. The last time we saw absurd and scummy GOP tactics like that one, they were asking an American citizen to show his birth certificate over and over again.
Karl Rove is a talking head.....period.
Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#28542 May 19, 2014
Canton wrote:
Just when you thought the GOP couldn't stoop any lower than the desperate birth certificate scheme or the FEMA death camp insult to every thinking person in this country, we get Karl Rove, in a desperate and flat out scum move to make Hillary seem questionable as a president, claiming that there is a possibility that Hillary has brain damage. I am sure he is just looking out for her well being.
What absolute scum. You guys are less than garbage and it doesn't matter what title you are hiding behind today...Tea Party, Libertarian, Conservative who has never seen a Conservative president...it's all just the scum bag GOP with scum bag GOP tactics.
Hillary proved she was also no up for the task of the 3AM phone call. In 2008 Hillary said she was, and proved countless times she failed along with the White House.

She was thrown into a hornets nest where women are treated like pets at best. Who do you think took her serious?

Who backed up Hillary?

Her position was a payback for loss in primary.

Hillary is a soon to be grandma, and needs to take an active part. Slow down, and just play with the baby, and be a happy grandma.
xxxrayted

Berea, OH

#28543 May 19, 2014
Canton wrote:
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I knew Hillary was in the hospital, although I didn't know Karl Rove was a neuroscientist. It was just an obvious and desperate political move on Rove's part to put doubt on Hillary's ability to lead. The last time we saw absurd and scummy GOP tactics like that one, they were asking an American citizen to show his birth certificate over and over again.
Correct. If we don't put a stop to this kind of underhanded politics, next thing you know, they will be digging back 20 years or so in her life to see if she ever had a DUI, or even back to her high school days to see if she ever attacked another student. Hell, she might be such a btch that she strapped her dog cage to the roof of her car when she and Bill went on vacation.
xxxrayted

Berea, OH

#28544 May 19, 2014
Canton wrote:
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"Industry is struggling to create jobs"...Ahhhhh ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Aaaaah ha ha ha ha ha! Look at all those bank teller jobs they created in those tax loophole offshore accounts. Too bad they fled the country for cheap, unregulated labor under pro-business Bush or you would have had a valid point there. Danner Press in Canton for years and years? Shut down under Bush. Hoover company in North Canton for years and years? Shut down under Bush...
I hope you don't mind me slamming you in the mouth with the cold hard facts. I know you tend to gravitate towards those hypothetical outrages.
Well why don't you slam me with more facts like how Bush was responsible for the closing down of those companies?
xxxrayted

Berea, OH

#28545 May 19, 2014
Canton wrote:
<quoted text>
I knew Hillary was in the hospital, although I didn't know Karl Rove was a neuroscientist. It was just an obvious and desperate political move on Rove's part to put doubt on Hillary's ability to lead. The last time we saw absurd and scummy GOP tactics like that one, they were asking an American citizen to show his birth certificate over and over again.
Asking to see a birth certificate is legit because the Constitution requires a person running for President be a natural US Born citizen. The Constitution says nothing about a persons military records when it comes to being a US President, yet they hounded GW for years on that subject.
xxxrayted

Berea, OH

#28546 May 19, 2014
woo-boy wrote:
<quoted text>Let's talk some more about those good guy Koch brothers:
kochcash.org
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCat...
xxxrayted

Berea, OH

#28547 May 19, 2014
Pope Che Reagan Christ I wrote:
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You misstate the liberal position, as usual. The Left wants to limit the power of money in the electoral process. The Right doesn't. It's really pretty simple. Playing by the crooked rules that the Right has established doesn't equate to an endorsement of those rules.
Oh please. You liberals love to throw rocks in glass houses. How much did DumBama have for his last campaign? Something like a billion dollars? That's a lot of homeless donors, don't you think? I guess it was those same poor people that were buying his $20,000 dinner plate tickets for his fund raiser.

You spend so much time snooping on what our side is doing that you don't even know what your side is up to. At least we Republicans can come to terms that both sides get a lot of money and influence from certain groups. The liberals? Oh, those rotten Republicans and their wealthy supporters as if you don't have any. LOL!
we are in trouble

Akron, OH

#28548 May 19, 2014
we need a gov who cares more about the people of ohio, and not his rich buddies
Pope Che Reagan Christ I

Medina, OH

#28549 May 19, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
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Oh please. You liberals love to throw rocks in glass houses. How much did DumBama have for his last campaign? Something like a billion dollars? That's a lot of homeless donors, don't you think? I guess it was those same poor people that were buying his $20,000 dinner plate tickets for his fund raiser.
You spend so much time snooping on what our side is doing that you don't even know what your side is up to. At least we Republicans can come to terms that both sides get a lot of money and influence from certain groups. The liberals? Oh, those rotten Republicans and their wealthy supporters as if you don't have any. LOL!
Even when it is explained to you, you refuse to get it. Which party tries to regulate the amount of cash involved in campaigns and which party resists all attempts to do so? There is a reason you are a truck driver, bro.
xxxrayted

Berea, OH

#28550 May 19, 2014
Pope Che Reagan Christ I wrote:
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Even when it is explained to you, you refuse to get it. Which party tries to regulate the amount of cash involved in campaigns and which party resists all attempts to do so? There is a reason you are a truck driver, bro.
Then allow a truck driver to educate you: it's no secret that the media is in full gear for DumBama and the Democrats. Cut off all funding, and all we would hear is the Democrat point of view except for those that watch Fox or listen to talk radio, and that's not a whole hell of a lot of people compared to MSM.

You can't stop influence in our politicians. Did you ever hear of the McCain/ Feingold bill? You know, McCain..... a member of the Republican party????

Put the shoe on the other foot. Let's say the MSM was all in favor of conservatism, and the Republicans were looking for a way to stop the Democrats from getting their messages and ideas out. Would you support it then?
xxxrayted

Berea, OH

#28551 May 19, 2014
we are in trouble wrote:
we need a gov who cares more about the people of ohio, and not his rich buddies
People are supposed to care for themselves--not the politicians caring for them. That's the idea of this country.
Pope Che Reagan Christ I

Medina, OH

#28552 May 19, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
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Then allow a truck driver to educate you: it's no secret that the media is in full gear for DumBama and the Democrats. Cut off all funding, and all we would hear is the Democrat point of view except for those that watch Fox or listen to talk radio, and that's not a whole hell of a lot of people compared to MSM.
You can't stop influence in our politicians. Did you ever hear of the McCain/ Feingold bill? You know, McCain..... a member of the Republican party????
Put the shoe on the other foot. Let's say the MSM was all in favor of conservatism, and the Republicans were looking for a way to stop the Democrats from getting their messages and ideas out. Would you support it then?
I won't debate in your fantasyland. I suppose it is easy for you to believe that you are right when you create your own "reality."
Old Guy

Mason, OH

#28553 May 19, 2014
Pope Che Reagan Christ I wrote:
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Even when it is explained to you, you refuse to get it. Which party tries to regulate the amount of cash involved in campaigns and which party resists all attempts to do so? There is a reason you are a truck driver, bro.
For anyone that's been paying attention for a while, the dividing lines are pretty clear. Following the "Citizens United" decision (which gutted the McCain-Feingold campaign finance reforms), this was the response of the two parties, in their electoral platforms:

"The GOP platform states: "we support repeal of the remaining sections of McCain-
Feingold."

The Democratic platform says: "we support campaign finance reform, by constitutional amendment if necessary."
Pope Che Reagan Christ I

Medina, OH

#28555 May 19, 2014
Old Guy wrote:
<quoted text>
For anyone that's been paying attention for a while, the dividing lines are pretty clear. Following the "Citizens United" decision (which gutted the McCain-Feingold campaign finance reforms), this was the response of the two parties, in their electoral platforms:
"The GOP platform states: "we support repeal of the remaining sections of McCain-
Feingold."
The Democratic platform says: "we support campaign finance reform, by constitutional amendment if necessary."
Nuh uh. Some truck driver says that ain't so.
Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#28556 May 20, 2014
Old Guy wrote:
<quoted text>
For anyone that's been paying attention for a while, the dividing lines are pretty clear. Following the "Citizens United" decision (which gutted the McCain-Feingold campaign finance reforms), this was the response of the two parties, in their electoral platforms:
"The GOP platform states: "we support repeal of the remaining sections of McCain-
Feingold."
The Democratic platform says: "we support campaign finance reform, by constitutional amendment if necessary."
you don't suppose 1 party is worried their constituents in mass can't compete equally on the playing field do you?

because of that 1 party wants limits.

is it surprising to you that employees can contribute more than unemployed single mothers?
xxxrayted

Berea, OH

#28557 May 20, 2014
Old Guy wrote:
<quoted text>
For anyone that's been paying attention for a while, the dividing lines are pretty clear. Following the "Citizens United" decision (which gutted the McCain-Feingold campaign finance reforms), this was the response of the two parties, in their electoral platforms:
"The GOP platform states: "we support repeal of the remaining sections of McCain-
Feingold."
The Democratic platform says: "we support campaign finance reform, by constitutional amendment if necessary."
What we witnessed with campaign finance reform was a shift of money.

Before finance reform, politicians were held responsible for their ads which of course contributions funded. After campaign finance reform, the money went to PAC"s where they were not held liable for what they said about an opponent. They could say anything they wanted truth or lie. One side or the other could point out the lie, but that's about it.

So campaign finance reform not only didn't solve any problems, it made them much worse. So what would the Democrats like to do, tell private citizens they are no longer allowed to form PAC's and limit their free speech? How long would that take to make it to the Supreme Court for Constitutional violations?
Canton

Canton, OH

#28558 May 20, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
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Asking to see a birth certificate is legit because the Constitution requires a person running for President be a natural US Born citizen. The Constitution says nothing about a persons military records when it comes to being a US President, yet they hounded GW for years on that subject.
Yah...that whole Birth Certificate thing seemed really "legit". Remind us how that turned out. Let me guess...a big Liberal media cover up. What you Fox News oil cut flunkies call the Liberal Media, thinking, tax paying Americans call the voice of the people. The fact that you don't see the whole birth certificate sideshow as anything short of sleazeball, racist politics speaks volumes about the extent of your denial. Wonder how the American people feel about that big waste of time birth certificate thing...oh that's right... we elected Obama twice.
Canton

Canton, OH

#28559 May 20, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
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What we witnessed with campaign finance reform was a shift of money.
Before finance reform, politicians were held responsible for their ads which of course contributions funded. After campaign finance reform, the money went to PAC"s where they were not held liable for what they said about an opponent. They could say anything they wanted truth or lie. One side or the other could point out the lie, but that's about it.
So campaign finance reform not only didn't solve any problems, it made them much worse. So what would the Democrats like to do, tell private citizens they are no longer allowed to form PAC's and limit their free speech? How long would that take to make it to the Supreme Court for Constitutional violations?
I was shaking Dave Bossie's hand back then. As much as we love to hear a truck driver tell us all about what Citizen's United did back then, I was on the front lines and I can tell you the supreme court decision was nothing short of the death of Democracy in this country. It allowed out of country corporations to contribute as much to a campaign as they want without disclosing the source or the amount. You know...just a bunch of "Citizen's United". Bullsh1t. Just more conniving rightwing tactics to byass the will of the American people.(Also see Koch Brothers purchased 2 supreme court justices)
Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#28560 May 20, 2014
Canton wrote:
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I was shaking Dave Bossie's hand back then. As much as we love to hear a truck driver tell us all about what Citizen's United did back then, I was on the front lines and I can tell you the supreme court decision was nothing short of the death of Democracy in this country. It allowed out of country corporations to contribute as much to a campaign as they want without disclosing the source or the amount. You know...just a bunch of "Citizen's United". Bullsh1t. Just more conniving rightwing tactics to byass the will of the American people.(Also see Koch Brothers purchased 2 supreme court justices)
Acorn?
xxxrayted

Berea, OH

#28561 May 20, 2014
Canton wrote:
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I was shaking Dave Bossie's hand back then. As much as we love to hear a truck driver tell us all about what Citizen's United did back then, I was on the front lines and I can tell you the supreme court decision was nothing short of the death of Democracy in this country. It allowed out of country corporations to contribute as much to a campaign as they want without disclosing the source or the amount. You know...just a bunch of "Citizen's United". Bullsh1t. Just more conniving rightwing tactics to byass the will of the American people.(Also see Koch Brothers purchased 2 supreme court justices)
If unions can give money to the Democrats, why can't corporations give to the Republicans? Did you take a look at that donor list I provided? Actual cities were giving money to DumBama. How are "cities" giving taxpayer money away to a candidate?

Sorry, but when it comes to buying favors, it's a two way street. I know Democrats would love it to be a one way street, but that's not how the game is played.

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