Canton

Canton, OH

#22718 Dec 8, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
No, I'm right. Ignorance is believing that some red blooded American doing nothing got his door kicked down and hauled off to jail. Since the beginning of the Patriot Act, I'm unaware of such a story.
Next is the fact that when your buddies had all the power in the country to end both wars and rescind the Patriot Act, they did nothing.
You lost no freedoms under the Patriot Act, neither did I and neither did anybody you know. Commie Care will eventually affect everybody in the country--mostly in a negative way.
And yes, I seen the job numbers. They would be very impressive if not that 41% of those jobs were government jobs and not private market jobs.
Once again. I am stating EXACTLY what the Patriot Act unconstitutionally allows the Federal Government to do. Kick in your door without a warrant, jail you without charges and keep you without a trial. Strange how you guys didn't make a peep about it, seeing how "Constitutional" you guys suddenly, and I'm talking "presto" suddenly became. When you are not p1ssing in a bottle and predicting global weather trends, you should look it up. Wouldn't want you to sound stupid when you cry about freedoms being taken away. Ooops...too late.
EatTheFacts

Canton, OH

#22719 Dec 8, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
He doesn't have his own answers, only the answers he's been told. Where do those answers come from? Places like this:
http://nation.foxnews.com/2013/12/06/obama-th...
Benghazi-one of 15 attacks on US embassies, 9 involving death of Americans. All ignored by the GOP. The "witness" provided on the Benghazi attacks that supported the GOP's claims? Proven to have lied all about it. Turns out he was relaxing on a beach the whole time. How scandalous...oops I meant desperate. How about the birth certificate "scandal"? Complete joke in the eyes of Americans. How about the "Obama supports terrorists" thing? Let's ask bin Laden. Maybe you guys had Obama mixed up with your hero Ronald Reagan. You know, the guy who worked hand and hand with terrorists. C'mon. I know you remember Reagan. He's the guy who everyone said his wife was a commie.
EatTheFacts

Canton, OH

#22720 Dec 8, 2013
Funny how the GOP never touches base on the result of their many "scandalous" claims. They just move on to the next one, even though their last attempt was proven to be bogus and you guys write it in stone as fact. Typical GOP tactic. One they have admitted to in the past.
EatTheFacts

Canton, OH

#22721 Dec 8, 2013
Also, very funny that you guys post a Fox News link when backing up your claims. What a joke. Like I have said before, I see MSNBC and skip right past it because it is propaganda and not news. Now when it comes to Fox News, which is propaganda, you guys gleefully gulp it down as fact. Perhaps if you guys were a little more informed, we wouldn't have had our country ruined, as all Americans know, by GW Bush. Now call everyone else sheep.
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#22722 Dec 8, 2013
Canton wrote:
<quoted text>
Once again. I am stating EXACTLY what the Patriot Act unconstitutionally allows the Federal Government to do. Kick in your door without a warrant, jail you without charges and keep you without a trial. Strange how you guys didn't make a peep about it, seeing how "Constitutional" you guys suddenly, and I'm talking "presto" suddenly became. When you are not p1ssing in a bottle and predicting global weather trends, you should look it up. Wouldn't want you to sound stupid when you cry about freedoms being taken away. Ooops...too late.
Well Canton, let's do this: lets use one of your own leftist groups to put this to rest once and for all:

"Myth: Critics believe that the Patriot Act authorized federal law enforcement power to arrest and indefinitely detain material witnesses.

Reality: Federal law enforcement is abusing the current material witness statute, which the Patriot Act did not amend, to improperly detain “material witnesses” and failing to provide these detainees their rights in accordance with criminal statutes. The material witness statute [14] was used prior to the Patriot Act and authorizes the federal government to arrest a witness if the government demonstrates in an affidavit to a federal district court that the witness has testimony that is material to a criminal proceeding and “it is shown that it may become impracticable to secure the presence of the person by subpoena.”[15] Congress enacted this material witness statute for use in limited circumstances. A court may authorize the arrest of a witness who will likely flee if subpoenaed or will otherwise avoid testifying in a criminal proceeding and if it accepts the affidavit demonstrating that the witness has “material” information to the criminal proceeding.

The government following September 11, however, has used this material witness statute to detain individuals whom the government believes have information concerning a terrorist investigation. It has failed to provide them their rights to counsel, an initial hearing to determine whether the individual poses a flight risk [16], and prevented the individuals from contacting family members that they have been arrested. Most of these “material witnesses” have not been charged with any crime and were proven innocent."

https://www.aclu.org/free-speech-national-sec...

So now we see (according to the ACLU) that arresting people without warrant, banging down doors and imprisoning people forever has nothing to do with the Patriot Act. Try watching FOX news sometime to get the real stories your leftist outlets lie about.
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#22723 Dec 8, 2013
EatTheFacts wrote:
Also, very funny that you guys post a Fox News link when backing up your claims. What a joke. Like I have said before, I see MSNBC and skip right past it because it is propaganda and not news. Now when it comes to Fox News, which is propaganda, you guys gleefully gulp it down as fact. Perhaps if you guys were a little more informed, we wouldn't have had our country ruined, as all Americans know, by GW Bush. Now call everyone else sheep.
Had you clicked the link (which you obviously did not) you will see a MSMBC video posted by Fox of Hussein saying that the IRS scandal was all made up.

We report--you decide.
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#22724 Dec 8, 2013
EatTheFacts wrote:
<quoted text>
Benghazi-one of 15 attacks on US embassies, 9 involving death of Americans. All ignored by the GOP. The "witness" provided on the Benghazi attacks that supported the GOP's claims? Proven to have lied all about it. Turns out he was relaxing on a beach the whole time. How scandalous...oops I meant desperate. How about the birth certificate "scandal"? Complete joke in the eyes of Americans. How about the "Obama supports terrorists" thing? Let's ask bin Laden. Maybe you guys had Obama mixed up with your hero Ronald Reagan. You know, the guy who worked hand and hand with terrorists. C'mon. I know you remember Reagan. He's the guy who everyone said his wife was a commie.
So what you're telling is is that Benghazi never happened? Our military was not told to "stand down" and Hillarious didn't lie to the public that it had something to do with a video nobody ever really seen? And DumBama didn't jump on a plane the next day to campaign in Las Vegas? None of that ever happened?

Oh! And remember Susan Rice? Yes, that's the woman that got promoted after lying about Benghazi for a couple of weeks after the 911 attack. Watch for yourself:

Pops

Newport, KY

#22725 Dec 8, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
So what you're telling is is that Benghazi never happened? Our military was not told to "stand down" and Hillarious didn't lie to the public that it had something to do with a video nobody ever really seen? And DumBama didn't jump on a plane the next day to campaign in Las Vegas? None of that ever happened?
Oh! And remember Susan Rice? Yes, that's the woman that got promoted after lying about Benghazi for a couple of weeks after the 911 attack. Watch for yourself:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =hGXy_yhOfNgXX
Just a few comments on this event. 1. Why did the Libyan government NOT send police or military to help or did we just not hear about it? 2. We know that we lost 4 persons, is that ALL when one considers that it was an all out fire fight? 3. Again, since it was an all out fire fight, why haven't we heard of any Libyan casualties? Did our personnel hit NO one? Not likely for Seals or even trained body guards that were fighting for their lives & the lives of others! 4. Even IF it was a simple video (which I personally doubt) it was 'released/aired' by others than the U.S. but I have heard NO condemnation about whoever released/aired it, why?
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#22726 Dec 8, 2013
Pops wrote:
<quoted text>Just a few comments on this event. 1. Why did the Libyan government NOT send police or military to help or did we just not hear about it? 2. We know that we lost 4 persons, is that ALL when one considers that it was an all out fire fight? 3. Again, since it was an all out fire fight, why haven't we heard of any Libyan casualties? Did our personnel hit NO one? Not likely for Seals or even trained body guards that were fighting for their lives & the lives of others! 4. Even IF it was a simple video (which I personally doubt) it was 'released/aired' by others than the U.S. but I have heard NO condemnation about whoever released/aired it, why?
The guy that made the video is a nobody. The dictator had him locked up on some related charges and so far, they still haven't let him out to my knowledge. So much for Canton's concern about the government being able to detain you forever.

Our military didn't even respond. In fact, the Seals that did respond were told not to get involved, but they knew they couldn't let that ambassador go down without a fight. One of them was holding a laser marker on a target, so it's assumed he had some reason to believe there was a bomber in the area somewhere because the laser marker gave him away and that's when he got killed.

The ambassador was not just killed, he was beaten and burned badly so torture is in the mix as well. It all happened on 9/11 so it's reasonable to assume it was terrorists of some kind. There has been no attempt to find out who did this to those guys and nobody or no group has been held responsible.

They found the Ambassadors diary and he wrote he was pleading with the government for more security. Obviously, he never got it, and Hussein never made any attempt to get him out of there before 911.
Daytonian

Sunbury, OH

#22727 Dec 8, 2013
Reality Speaks wrote:
<quoted text>
Costa Rica is nice this time of year, and the fishing is best in the world.
My time in January will be in majority spent in Costa Rica. Fishing, vacationing, and seeking property as future investment or to build on.
Costa Rica has the Gulf of Mexico to the East, and Pacific to the West, with jungle in-between.
So you would be willing to quit your job and relocate there?
Pops

Newport, KY

#22728 Dec 8, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
The guy that made the video is a nobody. The dictator had him locked up on some related charges and so far, they still haven't let him out to my knowledge. So much for Canton's concern about the government being able to detain you forever.
Our military didn't even respond. In fact, the Seals that did respond were told not to get involved, but they knew they couldn't let that ambassador go down without a fight. One of them was holding a laser marker on a target, so it's assumed he had some reason to believe there was a bomber in the area somewhere because the laser marker gave him away and that's when he got killed.
The ambassador was not just killed, he was beaten and burned badly so torture is in the mix as well. It all happened on 9/11 so it's reasonable to assume it was terrorists of some kind. There has been no attempt to find out who did this to those guys and nobody or no group has been held responsible.
They found the Ambassadors diary and he wrote he was pleading with the government for more security. Obviously, he never got it, and Hussein never made any attempt to get him out of there before 911.
I knew but forgot what you put in your 1st paragraph. ALL of the rest I did already recall but NONE of it actually answers my 4 issues.
I know a retired Ranger (30yrs total) & a retired Seal (20 yrs active) & they assure me that there would have been dead aggressors & have no single good guess other than politics.
Hillary's response was insincere & full of phoney indignation & showed NO interest in getting answers. She has an agenda other than solutions & prevention of any thing like this happening again. Disgusting!
Canton

Canton, OH

#22729 Dec 8, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
So what you're telling is is that Benghazi never happened? Our military was not told to "stand down" and Hillarious didn't lie to the public that it had something to do with a video nobody ever really seen? And DumBama didn't jump on a plane the next day to campaign in Las Vegas? None of that ever happened?
Oh! And remember Susan Rice? Yes, that's the woman that got promoted after lying about Benghazi for a couple of weeks after the 911 attack. Watch for yourself:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =hGXy_yhOfNgXX
Why don't you go ahead and explain to us why the other 10 attacks on US Embassies with a total of 9 Americans dying didn't phase you in the least? Why is that? Are you saying that those other Americans who died aren't important enough for you? Benghazi happened. Rough part of the world. You claiming I said otherwise is a typical Fox News game us informed folks are far too smart to play. Then again, we don't cry about big government and then bow before a corporate masters either.
Canton

Canton, OH

#22730 Dec 8, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
Had you clicked the link (which you obviously did not) you will see a MSMBC video posted by Fox of Hussein saying that the IRS scandal was all made up.
We report--you decide.
Like most educated Americans, as soon as I see Fox News in the link, I know only a stooge would call it facts.
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#22731 Dec 8, 2013
Canton wrote:
<quoted text>
Like most educated Americans, as soon as I see Fox News in the link, I know only a stooge would call it facts.
More or less of a stooge than one that comments on a piece he never seen or read?
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#22732 Dec 8, 2013
Canton wrote:
<quoted text>
Why don't you go ahead and explain to us why the other 10 attacks on US Embassies with a total of 9 Americans dying didn't phase you in the least? Why is that? Are you saying that those other Americans who died aren't important enough for you? Benghazi happened. Rough part of the world. You claiming I said otherwise is a typical Fox News game us informed folks are far too smart to play. Then again, we don't cry about big government and then bow before a corporate masters either.
You're the one that said all of DumBama's scandals were fake.
Republican 101

Van Wert, OH

#22733 Dec 8, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
You're the one that said all of DumBama's scandals were fake.
Yeah, can you believe them low info libtards?
Next they's a gonna say the president's burth sir tifkit scandal was a fake, an there ain't no War Against Christmas. We dun already proved he's a Muslim huggin, Jesus hatin socialist.
I can't wait till them invisible commies come knockin on muh momma's cellar door askin fer muh guns. It'll be another superpatriotic, Constitutional bloodbath...
Marie Brown

Tampa, FL

#22734 Dec 9, 2013
Upon entering office, Strickland went after charter and home schoolers with a promise to return kids back to public schools. Are you kidding me? What America needs most is to remove government and organized unions out of our educational system. There is the difference between the GOP and the Dems.
Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#22735 Dec 9, 2013
Daytonian wrote:
<quoted text>
So you would be willing to quit your job and relocate there?
My job I created, and can perform it anywhere I receive cellular communications.

I fly to sales calls from Columbus, so exactly what would make a difference?

Between all the extra taxes here I am forced to pay, and living completely self sufficient becoming a target of the communist left, I think leaving them to their own demise a fun thing to watch from abroad saying I told you so.

exactly like when corporations leave when union goons strike, the tax payers are going to as well. It has already started, when in August more people renounced citizenship that prior 10 years added collectively.

Don't act surprised when the chit sandwich the communist sympathizers prepare is forced down their throats.
woo-boy

Waverly, OH

#22736 Dec 9, 2013
Marie Brown wrote:
Upon entering office, Strickland went after charter and home schoolers with a promise to return kids back to public schools. Are you kidding me? What America needs most is to remove government and organized unions out of our educational system. There is the difference between the GOP and the Dems.
Tax dollars should not be spent on private religious schools that don't have to take every child, but rather can cherry pick students and leave the rest to the state to worry about.
And tax dollars should not be spent on for-profit and non-profit charters either. There's no evidence they are doing a better job than public schools and in too many instances they have done a worse job and wasted millions of tax dollars.
Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#22737 Dec 9, 2013
Canton wrote:
<quoted text>
Like most educated Americans, as soon as I see Fox News in the link, I know only a stooge would call it facts.
how funny are you?

educated? 12th grade public education is educated?

like $12 an hour employee is middle class?

you are on a roll....keep the funnies alive.

90% of College Freshman will admit they learned more Freshman year than all through High School.

PS: the other 10% flunked out at minimum.

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