Right to Life aims to be seen at polls

Right to Life aims to be seen at polls

There are 68 comments on the Dayton Daily News story from Jul 21, 2007, titled Right to Life aims to be seen at polls. In it, Dayton Daily News reports that:

“Ultimately our goal is to make sure our voters are comfortable at the polling place.”

Dayton Right to Life is recruiting people to work the polls on Election Day, telling them they'll be allowed to wear shirts bearing the anti-abortion group's name and asking them to donate the $95 the county ... via Dayton Daily News

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“Put prevention first!”

Since: Dec 06

StL

#41 Jul 24, 2007
Lynne D wrote:
This is just the 1st link I found. There are many.
http://www.finaid.org/otheraid/gay.phtml
Sue said there were full scholarships out there for gay/bi students. The link you indicated is for small amounts (I'm sorry,$500 is not going to help that much at a university) for students who are children of gay or lesbian parents, who write publications about gay or lesbian topics, or who intend to work on gay or lesbian issues for the most part. Being the child of a gay or lesbian or being interested in gay or lesbian topics does not make you gay. Sue's daughter might be just as eligible for these as a gay or lesbian student if these are her interests.
There is no full ride scholarship, or even HALF scholarship for students who identify as gay or lesbian.
Sue needs to step up and prove her claims!

“LIFE is Precious”

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#42 Jul 24, 2007
Ami STL wrote:
<quoted text>
Sue said there were full scholarships out there for gay/bi students. The link you indicated is for small amounts ....
Oh, oops, sorry. I didn't read it all. I just saw the scholarships for gays, bi-sexuals etc. and posted the link, because there was question about there being scolarships for that group. I must have missed where you all were talking about (full) scholarships for that group of people.
SexPolice

Lakeland, FL

#43 Jul 24, 2007
flopears123 wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree. I was attending a Baptist Church up until about 6 months ago. In the church, during a business meeting, women are expected to attend, but they cannot speak. If they have an idea, it has to be brought before the Deacon or her spouse first before the meeting takes place.
Truth is and alot of people don't believe it, but if all women stayed home to care for the family and chores and was payed to do it for even minimum wage, it would bankrupt this country. Unless your man is making 50,000 a year and you have little or no money being payed out to creditors, a family in this day and age you're barely making ends meet on that one income. The average american is either 1 or 2 paychecks away from being homeless. Ya know that's a horrible way to live your life.......in constant worry. No wonder heart disease is the #1 killer among women.
Combine your post here and Mike's #10. They made me think about possible answer to a question that's been nagging me.
Disclaimer: I know many women are anti-abortion all on their own and truly believe they are doing good based on reasoned ethical and religious decisions. I'm not theorizing about THEM.
My concern has been with women who act like lemmings and bullies and fanatics, and then can't defend their position except by spouting fallacious data, obvious propaganda, and the usual suspects of wrongly interpreted Bible quotes. Why, I asked myself, would they be so mean to other women when we all suffer at loss of rights for some.
Here's my possible theory -- which would need scientific study on unbiased basis.
1. Bullies are most scared and attack as a defense.
2. Fundamentalist women are most scared and powerless in family and faith.
3. Attacking other women gives them power against others and gains approval from their oppressors at the same time.
Very scary if Mike is right about next generation.
It made me flash back to tv shot of Palestinian woman threatening to WIN her cause by making enough babies to OUTPOPULATE her enemy. Strange.
No flame wars please. I'm QUESTIONING an idea of a possible behavioral link, not jumping to a conclusion. Good science expects theories to be proven wrong as often as right. Human behavior fascinates me.
Sue

Greenwood, DE

#44 Jul 24, 2007
Ami STL wrote:
<quoted text>
Sue said there were full scholarships out there for gay/bi students. The link you indicated is for small amounts (I'm sorry,$500 is not going to help that much at a university) for students who are children of gay or lesbian parents, who write publications about gay or lesbian topics, or who intend to work on gay or lesbian issues for the most part. Being the child of a gay or lesbian or being interested in gay or lesbian topics does not make you gay. Sue's daughter might be just as eligible for these as a gay or lesbian student if these are her interests.
There is no full ride scholarship, or even HALF scholarship for students who identify as gay or lesbian.
Sue needs to step up and prove her claims!
In the first place Ami, I never said that there were FULL scholarships for gay/bisexuals, that was said by you and Call it like I see it. Second just google scholarships for homosexuals and you will find many that are for this group only. Here's a few to get you started:
www.pflaghouston.org , www.finaid.org , polaris.gselsiucla.edu , www.pnnonline.org .

Just for fun here is a little tidbit I found on www.gayteens.org : Reference

For those seeking financial aid to attend college, it doesn't necessarily hurt to be homosexual or transgender. An increasing number of charities, professional groups and universities offer scholarships on the basis of sexual orientation.
More than 50 such scholarships are available nationwide from the $1,000 scholarships that Zami, an advocacy group in Atlanta, is giving to 21 black homosexuals this year, to the $2,000 awards the United Church of Christ distributed to homosexual seminarians and the $3,000 fellowships that George Washington University administers so homosexuals can spend a semester studying politics in the nation's capital.
Some groups, such as Parents, Families and Friends of Lesbians and Gays, also make financial aid available to children of homosexual parents or to heterosexual students who have worked to reduce homophobia in their communities.
"We want to be a beacon for some kid who is out there and feeling really lost and ashamed because society says they are nothing and nobody," said Zami Executive Director Mary Anne Adams, who launched her group's Audre Lorde scholarship program, named for the late lesbian poet, in 1997.
Sexual orientation alone usually is not enough to get these scholarships. Scholastic aptitude, extracurricular activities and leadership also are needed to qualify.

“Put prevention first!”

Since: Dec 06

StL

#45 Jul 24, 2007
Sue wrote:
<quoted text>
In the first place Ami, I never said that there were FULL scholarships for gay/bisexuals, that was said by you and Call it like I see it. Second just google scholarships for homosexuals and you will find many that are for this group only. Here's a few to get you started:
www.pflaghouston.org , www.finaid.org , polaris.gselsiucla.edu , www.pnnonline.org .
Just for fun here is a little tidbit I found on www.gayteens.org : Reference
For those seeking financial aid to attend college, it doesn't necessarily hurt to be homosexual or transgender. An increasing number of charities, professional groups and universities offer scholarships on the basis of sexual orientation.
More than 50 such scholarships are available nationwide from the $1,000 scholarships that Zami, an advocacy group in Atlanta, is giving to 21 black homosexuals this year, to the $2,000 awards the United Church of Christ distributed to homosexual seminarians and the $3,000 fellowships that George Washington University administers so homosexuals can spend a semester studying politics in the nation's capital.
Some groups, such as Parents, Families and Friends of Lesbians and Gays, also make financial aid available to children of homosexual parents or to heterosexual students who have worked to reduce homophobia in their communities.
"We want to be a beacon for some kid who is out there and feeling really lost and ashamed because society says they are nothing and nobody," said Zami Executive Director Mary Anne Adams, who launched her group's Audre Lorde scholarship program, named for the late lesbian poet, in 1997.
Sexual orientation alone usually is not enough to get these scholarships. Scholastic aptitude, extracurricular activities and leadership also are needed to qualify.
Exactly, these are not scholarships for gays/lesbians, but instead qualified students who also happen have gay or lesbian parents or who are interested in working with gay and lesbian issues in the future. Some of them might also be gay, but that is not a qualifier for the scholarships.

So your daughter was absolutely not precluded from getting these scholarships if she had any interest in working on these issues. Just like she would have possibly qualified for an engineering scholarship if she was interested in engineering or a psychology scholarship if she were interested in becoming a psych. professsional.

Her sexual orientation had nothing to do with it, and your claims that if she were gay or bi she'd have had scholarships are just bogus.

Poor, unfortunate, US-born, white, straight people are not suffering from some kind of discrimination like you would like to believe.

“You've Come A Long Way Baby”

Since: Mar 07

Hollywood, FL

#46 Jul 24, 2007
SexPolice wrote:
<quoted text> Combine your post here and Mike's #10. They made me think about possible answer to a question that's been nagging me.
Disclaimer: I know many women are anti-abortion all on their own and truly believe they are doing good based on reasoned ethical and religious decisions. I'm not theorizing about THEM.
My concern has been with women who act like lemmings and bullies and fanatics, and then can't defend their position except by spouting fallacious data, obvious propaganda, and the usual suspects of wrongly interpreted Bible quotes. Why, I asked myself, would they be so mean to other women when we all suffer at loss of rights for some.
Here's my possible theory -- which would need scientific study on unbiased basis.
1. Bullies are most scared and attack as a defense.
2. Fundamentalist women are most scared and powerless in family and faith.
3. Attacking other women gives them power against others and gains approval from their oppressors at the same time.
Very scary if Mike is right about next generation.
It made me flash back to tv shot of Palestinian woman threatening to WIN her cause by making enough babies to OUTPOPULATE her enemy. Strange.
No flame wars please. I'm QUESTIONING an idea of a possible behavioral link, not jumping to a conclusion. Good science expects theories to be proven wrong as often as right. Human behavior fascinates me.
I really think you've hit on something here. You'll see some of that behavior soon enough.

“lightly burnt,but still smokin”

Since: Dec 06

in the corner of your mind,

#47 Jul 24, 2007
political t-shirts in poling places in ohio are NOT permitted.....
SexPolice

Lakeland, FL

#48 Jul 24, 2007
And on the flip side, I'm sure that the "deciders" in more than one case look at applications and decide NOT to award to a faily equal person once they note two moms, or two dads. Unwritten rules happen.
Just about the time "race" was no longer allowed on publicly advertized job applications, they got interested in having a "photo" attached. A black friend smiled at my naivete as she patted her hairdo and asked
"Do you think they need to see how PRETTY I am to hire me?"
It isn't minority splinter group vs minority splinter group which causes this stuff. But, the plutocrats just LOVE it when we feel put down and blame each other.
We could put all our kids in great schools thru college, for "free", several ways.
Stop Iraq war.
Stop billionaire tax cuts.
It costs more to imprison than to educate. 75 percent was last figure I heard for drug jailees. Maybe 50 percent were ONLY for possession of illegal drugs -- no other crime. How about doing it like alcohol --- control it to protect kids and tax it. Free the possession only prisoners and you end the need to let dangerous folks out under overcrowding court orders. Or just stop with the MANDATORY extra long sentences for crack (black folks) cocaine as opposed to same amount of powder (white folks) cocaine.
Everyone has some thing which could make them a minority. If we join hands instead of bickering --- the ultra rich will be terrified because we will see who the "enemy/oppressor" really is.IMHO
SexPolice

Lakeland, FL

#49 Jul 24, 2007
godless by choice wrote:
political t-shirts in poling places in ohio are NOT permitted.....
I think the loophole would be if no human reproductive rights or sex ed matters were on the ballot? Is it then "political?" Don't know if they were counting on it slipping thru, or if it never occurred to anyone.
I feel it is political anyway because right wingers seized these issues and politicized them to the point you can't run for office without being asked your views. I'd be just as opposed if it were a Planned Parenthood T-shirts. Just NOT proper.
No one up there has chimed in to confirm whether or not ballot has women's issues on it? Do you know?
Sue

Sassamansville, PA

#50 Jul 24, 2007
SexPolice wrote:
And on the flip side, I'm sure that the "deciders" in more than one case look at applications and decide NOT to award to a faily equal person once they note two moms, or two dads. Unwritten rules happen.
Just about the time "race" was no longer allowed on publicly advertized job applications, they got interested in having a "photo" attached. A black friend smiled at my naivete as she patted her hairdo and asked
"Do you think they need to see how PRETTY I am to hire me?"
It isn't minority splinter group vs minority splinter group which causes this stuff. But, the plutocrats just LOVE it when we feel put down and blame each other.
We could put all our kids in great schools thru college, for "free", several ways.
Stop Iraq war.
Stop billionaire tax cuts.
It costs more to imprison than to educate. 75 percent was last figure I heard for drug jailees. Maybe 50 percent were ONLY for possession of illegal drugs -- no other crime. How about doing it like alcohol --- control it to protect kids and tax it. Free the possession only prisoners and you end the need to let dangerous folks out under overcrowding court orders. Or just stop with the MANDATORY extra long sentences for crack (black folks) cocaine as opposed to same amount of powder (white folks) cocaine.
Everyone has some thing which could make them a minority. If we join hands instead of bickering --- the ultra rich will be terrified because we will see who the "enemy/oppressor" really is.IMHO
I will agree with you on this one. The ONLY way to stop discrimination is to stop discriminating-everyone has been discriminated against in some fashion. Scholarships, jobs, etc need to be decided on MERIT ONLY. No pictures, no male/female, straight/gay, black/white, etc.......... Only then will we have true freedom.
Call it like I see it

AOL

#51 Jul 24, 2007
Sue wrote:
<quoted text>
In the first place Ami, I never said that there were FULL scholarships for gay/bisexuals, that was said by you and Call it like I see it.
No, it was claimed by YOU. Page 2 of this thread, first post.

You claimed that if she were "black, Hispanic, gay, or bi she would not have had to pay a penny for her college education."

So yes - you claimed a "FULL SCHOLARSHIP". That's what 'would not have to pay a penny for her college education' would mean.

You also claimed that your child, as a straight, white female, couldnt even get her application accepted.

As I said before, either she's not real bright, or you are lying.

Actually, either way, you lied.

“It's about freedom of choice.”

Since: Jun 07

Mannasas Va.

#52 Jul 24, 2007
SexPolice wrote:
<quoted text> Combine your post here and Mike's #10. They made me think about possible answer to a question that's been nagging me.
Disclaimer: I know many women are anti-abortion all on their own and truly believe they are doing good based on reasoned ethical and religious decisions. I'm not theorizing about THEM.
My concern has been with women who act like lemmings and bullies and fanatics, and then can't defend their position except by spouting fallacious data, obvious propaganda, and the usual suspects of wrongly interpreted Bible quotes. Why, I asked myself, would they be so mean to other women when we all suffer at loss of rights for some.
Here's my possible theory -- which would need scientific study on unbiased basis.
1. Bullies are most scared and attack as a defense.
2. Fundamentalist women are most scared and powerless in family and faith.
3. Attacking other women gives them power against others and gains approval from their oppressors at the same time.
Very scary if Mike is right about next generation.
It made me flash back to tv shot of Palestinian woman threatening to WIN her cause by making enough babies to OUTPOPULATE her enemy. Strange.
No flame wars please. I'm QUESTIONING an idea of a possible behavioral link, not jumping to a conclusion. Good science expects theories to be proven wrong as often as right. Human behavior fascinates me.
Questions 1,2 & 3 can be applied to the men behind such organizations as OR/OSA,PFL & many other PLM/rightwing christian groups.

It's all about controlling the actions & the minds of others & to them they believe it's justified because their "god" has instructed them to do so.
Call it like I see it

AOL

#53 Jul 24, 2007
Sue wrote:
Scholarships, jobs, etc need to be decided on MERIT ONLY. No pictures, no male/female, straight/gay, black/white, etc.......... Only then will we have true freedom.
You need to understand something Sue, that you don't seem to have a good grasp on.

People have certain freedoms of choice.

Let me say that again slowly so you have a better opportunity to get a grip on not only each individual word, but on the meaning of the concept as a whole.

**People have certain freedoms of choice**

While many people certainly ARE discriminated against - and we can all agree that discrimination is a bad thing, still - people DO HAVE CERTAIN FREEDOMS OF CHOICE.

Since you seem to have this hard on for scholarships and you mentioned it above, lets use that for an example.

The majority of scholarships are private ones. YOU don't get to decide who people give their money too, any more than you get do make others medical decisions for them, such as in abortions.

Private scholarships were created primarily to get AROUND discriminations, which is why there are so many geared toward specific things.

Once you can grasp that simple concept, we can move on in the discussion.

“It's about freedom of choice.”

Since: Jun 07

Mannasas Va.

#54 Jul 24, 2007
SexPolice wrote:
And on the flip side, I'm sure that the "deciders" in more than one case look at applications and decide NOT to award to a faily equal person once they note two moms, or two dads. Unwritten rules happen.
Just about the time "race" was no longer allowed on publicly advertized job applications, they got interested in having a "photo" attached. A black friend smiled at my naivete as she patted her hairdo and asked
"Do you think they need to see how PRETTY I am to hire me?"
It isn't minority splinter group vs minority splinter group which causes this stuff. But, the plutocrats just LOVE it when we feel put down and blame each other.
We could put all our kids in great schools thru college, for "free", several ways.
Stop Iraq war.
Stop billionaire tax cuts.
It costs more to imprison than to educate. 75 percent was last figure I heard for drug jailees. Maybe 50 percent were ONLY for possession of illegal drugs -- no other crime. How about doing it like alcohol --- control it to protect kids and tax it. Free the possession only prisoners and you end the need to let dangerous folks out under overcrowding court orders. Or just stop with the MANDATORY extra long sentences for crack (black folks) cocaine as opposed to same amount of powder (white folks) cocaine.
Everyone has some thing which could make them a minority. If we join hands instead of bickering --- the ultra rich will be terrified because we will see who the "enemy/oppressor" really is.IMHO
You know,I saw something on the history channel yesterday on WHY & how the congress,as early as 1914 was able to criminalize cocaine & it had NOTHING to do with health concerns but everything to do with racial stereotyping.The propaganda of the day<when racism was alive & well> was to depict african americans using the drug as more violent,when in fact that just wasn't true.

Funny how we havn't banned tobacoo products yet due to the health risks but I guess the feds just can't bear the thought of losing all that extra revenue that taxing tobacoo products brings in.

“You've Come A Long Way Baby”

Since: Mar 07

Hollywood, FL

#55 Jul 24, 2007
I've seen that too program too Mike, wasn't it something about cocaine made the black man crazy and drove them rape and kill whites.

“Beauty on four legs”

Since: Sep 06

Location hidden

#56 Jul 25, 2007
Sue wrote:
<quoted text>
Not any more. Having gone through the scholarship nightmare just a few years ago with my daughter let me tell you that if she was black, Hispanic, gay, or bi she would not have had to pay a penny for her college education. She is white and straight therefore very few scholarships would even accept her application.
Yep, full scholarship....

“Put prevention first!”

Since: Dec 06

StL

#57 Jul 25, 2007
Sue wrote:
<quoted text>
In the first place Ami, I never said that there were FULL scholarships for gay/bisexuals, that was said by you and Call it like I see it.
Oh, contraire. Read carefully. You said if your daughter was (among other things) gay/bi she would have "not had to pay a penny for her education."

How, exactly is that not, then a "full scholarship."

They were your words, not mine. Reread carefully!

“Put prevention first!”

Since: Dec 06

StL

#58 Jul 25, 2007
pbfa wrote:
<quoted text>
Yep, full scholarship....
Thanks for pointing that out.

Sue?

“Put prevention first!”

Since: Dec 06

StL

#59 Jul 25, 2007
Sue wrote:
<quoted text>
I will agree with you on this one. The ONLY way to stop discrimination is to stop discriminating-everyone has been discriminated against in some fashion. Scholarships, jobs, etc need to be decided on MERIT ONLY. No pictures, no male/female, straight/gay, black/white, etc.......... Only then will we have true freedom.
I totally disagree. Some of my best friends got to go to college with me because they were born in other countries, because they spoke other languages, or because they became fantastic student leaders because of their activism on behalf of their race, their disability, their sexual orientation, or any of the above experienced by their families.

My college experience would not have been the same without them.

True freedom would be FREE college tuition for EVERYONE who meets admission criteria, not taking away scholarships from those who have worked to earn them.

“It's about freedom of choice.”

Since: Jun 07

Mannasas Va.

#60 Jul 25, 2007
flopears123 wrote:
I've seen that too program too Mike, wasn't it something about cocaine made the black man crazy and drove them rape and kill whites.
Yeah,it was something like that.

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