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Our recommendation: Springboro voters should say 'yes' the first time to school levies

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Vote No and watch

Englewood, OH

#41 Mar 2, 2008
The only way to stop additional levies from being asked for by Ohio School Districts is by decreasing enrollment and that is not happening in Springboro (over 200 students added per year). When people start moving out of Springboro watch what happens to your property value. Your Call! However, you may have wished you voted yes!
I will vote YES for BOTH levies on March 4th!!!
Vote YES

Englewood, OH

#42 Mar 2, 2008
One Chance - Fat Chance wrote:
From daytondailynews.com this morning:
"Springboro Schools
Voters in the school district will see on their ballots a five-year emergency renewal for 10.05 mills and a continuing 5.99 mill levy to fund operating expenses.
Owners of $200,000 homes would pay about $262 more a year in property taxes for the new money and continue to pay about $616 a year to fund the renewal, according to county estimates."
Figure out how much this levy and renewal will cost you. Man, that renewal is huge. This was sold to us three years ago as a temporary levy and supposed to roll off now. Now they not only want use to renew it but want to add on more. There is very poor planning going on someplace. It is very easy to go to the taxpayers and ask for more money - it is much harder to manage, plan and implement cut backs which the rest of us have to do along with any business. Which is our school district doing? The easy route of course.
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You are ALREADY paying for the renewal. If the renewal is voted down. Springboro Schools will be forced to have a budget that was set for the district BEFORE the additions to the High School, Junior High, and the building of 2 new elementary schools (Five Points and Dennis). Could you make that budget work?

Vote Yes on March 4th for both levies.

Since: Feb 08

Cincinnati, OH

#43 Mar 2, 2008
Nice try "reduced taxes a reality", "Vote No and watch", and "Vote YES".

All - don't be fooled "reduced taxes a reality", "Vote No and watch", and "Vote YES" are probably all the same person. Three "yes" postings in a matter of 20 minutes all in support of "BOTH" levies... Suspicious. Someone wanting us to believe there is more 'yes' support than there really is. Look at all (or lack there of) yard signs in people's yards for a real gauge of support for this levy.

Already voted no for BOTH levies...
No to levies

Cleveland, OH

#44 Mar 2, 2008
"So, when I vote YES for both levies on Tuesday, my taxes for 2009 will be back to what they were in 2007. Did you all hear that - no tax increase!"

Hey that's great your taxes decreased, but the idea that we should just give this savings back to Doc Baker and his school board croanies is illogical. This savings should be the individual taxpayers savings and not seen as an avenue to an increase in funds for Springboro Schools! Lord knows we have already seen massive increases at the gas pump, in our heating bills, college tuition and even grocery bills since this "emergency levy" was passed three years ago. Your statement is typical of the brainwashing the school district supports in selling levies. No is the answer both levies needs and will get from me. And interestingly, after a block party last night, 10 out of 12 of my neighbors voiced opposition to voting for both levies. The savings should be the taxpayers! Vote NO-NO!
Vote YES

Englewood, OH

#45 Mar 2, 2008
One Chance - Fat Chance wrote:
Nice try "reduced taxes a reality", "Vote No and watch", and "Vote YES".
All - don't be fooled "reduced taxes a reality", "Vote No and watch", and "Vote YES" are probably all the same person. Three "yes" postings in a matter of 20 minutes all in support of "BOTH" levies... Suspicious. Someone wanting us to believe there is more 'yes' support than there really is. Look at all (or lack there of) yard signs in people's yards for a real gauge of support for this levy.
Already voted no for BOTH levies...
I wrote two of them. My posts are to get the facts out, instead of opinions. We will find out Tuesday night!

Since: Feb 08

Cincinnati, OH

#46 Mar 2, 2008
Vote YES wrote:
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I wrote two of them. My posts are to get the facts out, instead of opinions. We will find out Tuesday night!
If you were only interested in presenting the facts I don't understand why you would go under multiple ids to do so; unless you were purposefully being misleading.

Since: Feb 08

Cincinnati, OH

#47 Mar 2, 2008
reduced taxes a reality wrote:
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I just paid my 2008 property tax bill. My taxes for the Springboro schools went DOWN nearly $85 per half -$170 per year over what I paid in 2007. That's because so many people have moved into the district. The school collects "x" amount of dollars on the levies. When new people move in our taxes go DOWN because the schools can't collect more than the amount of money the levies raise. So, when I vote YES for both levies on Tuesday, my taxes for 2009 will be back to what they were in 2007. Did you all hear that - no tax increase! Really!! And even that will go down when new people keep moving in. Please people, understand how schools are funded. Please vote yes and keep our schools and community in great shape!
Congrats on your $85, you sound pretty excited about it. If this levy passes you should be paying several times that, so that should make you happy. Heaven forbid the taxpayers actually see any sort of tax reduction. You may want to pay high taxes, we don't and will be voting no.
reduced taxes a reality

Englewood, OH

#48 Mar 2, 2008
No to levies wrote:
"So, when I vote YES for both levies on Tuesday, my taxes for 2009 will be back to what they were in 2007. Did you all hear that - no tax increase!"
Hey that's great your taxes decreased, but the idea that we should just give this savings back to Doc Baker and his school board croanies is illogical. This savings should be the individual taxpayers savings and not seen as an avenue to an increase in funds for Springboro Schools! Lord knows we have already seen massive increases at the gas pump, in our heating bills, college tuition and even grocery bills since this "emergency levy" was passed three years ago. Your statement is typical of the brainwashing the school district supports in selling levies. No is the answer both levies needs and will get from me. And interestingly, after a block party last night, 10 out of 12 of my neighbors voiced opposition to voting for both levies. The savings should be the taxpayers! Vote NO-NO!
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The school board are my croanies! Wow! What a jump! I try to be serious and offer a logical explanation as to why I am supporting the levies and I get that kind of response.

Let me try this again. School levies allow schools to collect a certain amount of money over a certain period of time. Let's say a levy raises 10 million dollars per year over 5 years. Keep in mind, the millage is used only to figure the amount each householder pays. When the population increases (which it obviously has in Springboro)the schools still collect $10 million each year. For instance (I'll make this very simple), if the population doubles, the schools DO NOT collect double the $10 million, or $20 million. The schools collect the SAME $10 million each year. Now, if the population has doubled, that means, on average, everybodies' taxes are cut in half, because, remember, the schools can only collect $10 million dollars per year. But now the schools need to operate on that same $10 million yet educate twice the number of students! Where do the schools now come up with the money to educate twice the students at the excellent fashion we have come to expect in Springboro? Answer: the schools need to ask for another levy. That's how it's done in Ohio, whether we like it or not (and I don't like it, by the way, any more than any body else does!)! It's that simple! No brainwashing, no lies, just plain facts. What frustrates me is so many people believe what they want to believe instead of hearing the facts, understanding those facts, and believing those facts. Our school board has done a good job at keeping costs down, as the figures from the state declare.

I have a responsibility to help educate the children of my community. Someone paid to educate me (I graduated in the sixties from the Lakota Schools in Butler County). I have had 2 children receive very good educations from Springboro and have graduated from colleges with good degrees and good jobs. This year our third (and final) child will graduate from Springboro with a very good education, head for college, and one day get a good job. I will continue to have the responsibility to educate the children of Springboro long after mine have left home.

I am voting for the levies because it is the right thing to do, for everybodies' children, even those who will vote no on Tuesday!

Since: Nov 07

Miamisburg, OH

#49 Mar 2, 2008
Just to stir up the pot... I found these bumper sticker quotes on a conservative website.

"It will be a great day when all school children go to private schools and the money wasted on public education goes to build bombers"

"Government intervention is the problem, not the solution"

Thoughts on these?

Since: Feb 08

Cincinnati, OH

#50 Mar 2, 2008
reduced taxes a reality wrote:
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The school board are my croanies! Wow! What a jump! I try to be serious and offer a logical explanation as to why I am supporting the levies and I get that kind of response.
Let me try this again. School levies allow schools to collect a certain amount of money over a certain period of time. Let's say a levy raises 10 million dollars per year over 5 years. Keep in mind, the millage is used only to figure the amount each householder pays. When the population increases (which it obviously has in Springboro)the schools still collect $10 million each year. For instance (I'll make this very simple), if the population doubles, the schools DO NOT collect double the $10 million, or $20 million. The schools collect the SAME $10 million each year. Now, if the population has doubled, that means, on average, everybodies' taxes are cut in half, because, remember, the schools can only collect $10 million dollars per year. But now the schools need to operate on that same $10 million yet educate twice the number of students! Where do the schools now come up with the money to educate twice the students at the excellent fashion we have come to expect in Springboro? Answer: the schools need to ask for another levy. That's how it's done in Ohio, whether we like it or not (and I don't like it, by the way, any more than any body else does!)! It's that simple! No brainwashing, no lies, just plain facts. What frustrates me is so many people believe what they want to believe instead of hearing the facts, understanding those facts, and believing those facts. Our school board has done a good job at keeping costs down, as the figures from the state declare.
I have a responsibility to help educate the children of my community. Someone paid to educate me (I graduated in the sixties from the Lakota Schools in Butler County). I have had 2 children receive very good educations from Springboro and have graduated from colleges with good degrees and good jobs. This year our third (and final) child will graduate from Springboro with a very good education, head for college, and one day get a good job. I will continue to have the responsibility to educate the children of Springboro long after mine have left home.
I am voting for the levies because it is the right thing to do, for everybodies' children, even those who will vote no on Tuesday!
This sound like it could have been written by Baker himself - like some article in that Springboro rag that gets thrown in my driveway. Thank you for bringing it down for the rest of us i.e. "I will make this very simple". Us commoners do appreciate it!
No to Levies

Cleveland, OH

#51 Mar 2, 2008
In response to the condesending post from Reduced Taxes a Reality:

Your posts have shown the absolute arrogance of the Springboro School board to its constituients in assuming that we, the taxpayers, do not understand the push for more school levies. We do not need you to "explain" or "teach" us about the workings of levies, we understand, but we respectfully disagree with your assessment of need and urgency in the Springboro district. We are not an undereducated community, but rather an intelligent one who get it. We may have a responsibilty to "help" educate the children of the community, but we do not have a responsiblity to give them schools of luxury, pay for them to play sports, or fund the school employees benefit at levels above what we are personally receiving. Contrary to some public think, it does NOT take a village to raise a child and the requests for more money has got to be thoroughly exaimed during times of a down turn economy, such as we are no experiencing.

It has been proven that public education has been declining for 30+ years, and just throwing more money or more layers of testing into public education will not address the real issues. If the state says it takes approximately $5500 per child per year to educate, then a school district such as Springboro who is shelling out $8200 per child per year must adjust its spending. It can be done if they weren't being so top heavy in salaries and benefits.

So maybe the problem is in expectations, as you state "where do the schools now come up with the money to educate twice the students at the "excellent fashion" we have come to expect in Springboro." Expectations or perceptions for PUBLIC SCHOOLS has become out of line with reality. Read I said PUBLIC SCHOOLS, not PRIVATE. If parents are looking for all the frills, let them explore private school or other education options. It is a matter of choice and the taxpayers are not responsible for all the extras public educators are trying to constantly add in. No is the reasonable answer to more unreasonable school levies.
reduced taxes a reality

Englewood, OH

#52 Mar 2, 2008
Not Again Baker wrote:
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This sound like it could have been written by Baker himself - like some article in that Springboro rag that gets thrown in my driveway. Thank you for bringing it down for the rest of us i.e. "I will make this very simple". Us commoners do appreciate it!
My statement about "Let me make this simple" was not meant to down grade anybody - apologies to you and others. I was just trying to use a simple example - using round numbers like 10 and 20. I have heard many, many people say, "With all our growth why are we not getting more money?" That's what I was trying to address. More growth means the same amount of money, not more, unless additional levies are raised. More growth means my taxes go down as the money raised by the levies is shared by more people.

I certainly don't want to sound arrogant or downgrade people who disagree with me. If you and others don't think the product the Springboro Schools is producing is not worth your support, then vote no. That is certainly your choice. I just think it is the wrong choice. I believe we have excellent schools, well run schools, and schools worthy of my support. I hope there are enough who believe as I and many others believe who will support our schools on Tuesday and vote yes on both levies.

Since: Feb 08

Cincinnati, OH

#53 Mar 2, 2008
reduced taxes a reality wrote:
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My statement about "Let me make this simple" was not meant to down grade anybody - apologies to you and others. I was just trying to use a simple example - using round numbers like 10 and 20. I have heard many, many people say, "With all our growth why are we not getting more money?" That's what I was trying to address. More growth means the same amount of money, not more, unless additional levies are raised. More growth means my taxes go down as the money raised by the levies is shared by more people.
I certainly don't want to sound arrogant or downgrade people who disagree with me. If you and others don't think the product the Springboro Schools is producing is not worth your support, then vote no. That is certainly your choice. I just think it is the wrong choice. I believe we have excellent schools, well run schools, and schools worthy of my support. I hope there are enough who believe as I and many others believe who will support our schools on Tuesday and vote yes on both levies.
Again, this sounds like a politician's response - however to end this let's just say I hope you get your wish and YOUR taxes INCREASE, and I get my wish and mine and MANY other's taxes decrease.

Since: Feb 08

Cincinnati, OH

#54 Mar 2, 2008
I have read that if these levies do not pass they will be seeking an tax increase in the form of income tax (as opposed to the current property tax) as soon as August. Hitting the tax payer on both fronts. Does the word leech mean anything as in the blood sucking type? They will not stop until Perrier is coming out of every drinking fountains for little Muffy and Buffy, will they?
PayToPoo

Cincinnati, OH

#55 Mar 2, 2008
No to Boro Levy wrote:
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Wasn't the last levy passed with the slogan "It is only one can of soda per day"? Anyone else remember that? Now it is one cup of coffee per day. All these beverages are really adding up...
Next thing you know we'll be forced to give up our drinking water.
Vote YES

Englewood, OH

#56 Mar 2, 2008
One Chance - Fat Chance wrote:
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If you were only interested in presenting the facts I don't understand why you would go under multiple ids to do so; unless you were purposefully being misleading.
My mistake, I was treating the name box as a subject line. I posted earlier as “Vote YES” and “Vote No and watch”

Since: Feb 08

Cincinnati, OH

#57 Mar 2, 2008
PayToPoo wrote:
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Next thing you know we'll be forced to give up our drinking water.
Yes, but it is "for the children" or "for the children's future" - who can resist that? I am thinking they are going to get that Sally Stuthers to speak as their next tactic.
Vote YES

Englewood, OH

#58 Mar 2, 2008
This is what is sad. School funding in the state of Ohio has been ruled unconstitutional many times over the past few decades and yet our Governor (past and current) will do nothing about it. There are hundreds of districts in Ohio dealing with the same problem Springboro has. When is Columbus going to change something that is unconstitutional?
No to Levies

Cleveland, OH

#59 Mar 3, 2008
Yes it is sad that school funding has been ruled unconstitutional, but just because Columbus has been negligent on resolving the issue does not mean the Springboro taxpayer should have to continually suffer. It's time for the taxpayers to send that message to our legislatures and do so by voting NO. It won't hurt the students. Yes, Baker may hold a few buses hostage next fall, but we need to take a stand. VOTE NO.
Another Boro Resident

United States

#60 Mar 3, 2008
I just want to know when the people of Clearcreek Township want to start sending in their donations of $200 a month (minimum) to help Springboro Schools. That's the area that is growing, yet they are also the ones not paying into the schools.
Springboro is too snobby for me and I can't wait to leave. You guys act like a kid is a major behavioral threat if he sneezes too loud. Spend a day in Dayton Public Schools and see how truly cushy your job is.
Pay to play is just another way of getting only those rich kids on your teams, too. They are the ones who get the starting positions anyway, so this way there will be less "competition" from the poor white trash portion of your school district.
-- A Poor White Trash Springboro Resident

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