Or, could it be that the coaches took advantage of the parents whose child had an interest in learning more about their sport; and the coaches rendering their services took an interest in watching their personal bank accounts grow?<quoted text>
No, I don't think that the question is whether to give it to the coaches or give it to the children. What this district has been concerned with is do they (the district) get there share. As the new policy states, 20% of the funds will go to the district - not sure exactly how that money will be used yet, but it may or may not go directly to the children. The rest will go to the coaches. So the only difference I see from the way it has been done for over 10 years is that the district now gets there share. I don't have a problem with that - maybe it should have been that way a long time ago. But for some reason, someone thought that the school property belonged to the students and that anytime they were using it (either during the camps or for the actual sports) they would not be charged. I think it is fair to say, the majority of kids that go to the camps are members of this community and their parents are already paying their taxes to pay for the buildings/fields/courts.
Still not sure why you feel coaches shouldn't receive any compensation for running the camps unless you feel that the camps are too expensive. The facts still remain, parents paid for a service - to have their child learn more about a sport during these camps, and those services were rendered.
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#30813 Feb 28, 2014
Kelly Kohls and Doug Weideman are trying so hard to be relevant. It's not working.
I wasn't at the meeting unfortunately, but I sure wish I had been there to see Miller finally able to speak his mind!
#30814 Feb 28, 2014
The program you describe is as if one's boss strongly suggested an employee pay to attend a seminar that the boss was hosting about being a better employee at the boss' business.
My guess is that would not sit too well with many employees.
Unfortunately for your argument, the coaches are the ones who thought that school property belonged to them and them alone. Selling the use of public assets and access for personal gain is wrong, even you can see that. Coaches financialy utilizing their public connections with the schools to create an atmosphere of hopeful deference from aspiring athletes is also wrong.
If we truly live in an egalitarian community, the cream will rise to the top in academics, athletics, or other extracurriculars. Let those children who do the work, display the talent, and perform when it is time enjoy the fruits of their labors in the spotlight.
I abhor the thought that those who feel the need to financially patronize a coach, teacher, or instructor in hopes of advancing the son or daughters career.
The policy committee is looking at revising the amount of "gifts" a teacher may accept, just what constitutes "reasonable" is in the same category as "fair" compensation. Not that any coach, teacher, or instructor could be influenced by the acceptance of such gifts regardless of their amount or frequency, but why take the chance, let us remove all temptation.
Our parents run on a volunteer basis, PeeWee Football, Select and Saturday Basketball, Select and Youth Baseball, LaCrosse, Select and Youth Soccer, etc. Some parent coaches are good and some are not so good, just like the paid coaches we have throughout the system.
#30815 Mar 1, 2014
Right on the nose Doug, how many of us would think kindly of our boss strongly suggesting we pay him to attend his seminar teaching us how to be better employees of his? I thought the purpose of these coaches was to build better programs and better kids, all this look like is building a better bank account for the coach.
#30816 Mar 1, 2014
You abhor it? It's done ALL THE TIME. Do you know how much money it took to have a college coach notice your child? I have heard numbers in the thousands of dollars. It's a business like any other and college recruitment is an entire industry on it's own (just google college recruitment)
"You can't afford to pay a recruiting service or consultant $1,000 or more, but you need help.
Each year thousands of student athletes and parents market themselves to college coaches. Some are very successful, some are not. It's not a difficult process if you have a road map and the basic resources to give your student athlete the best possible advantage. Regardless of the type of college sport, the process is the same - you have to get noticed to get recruited!"
As far as "select" sports goes. Most of the "select" teams around here are glorified daddy ball. There are teams 30 minutes south that IF you make the team you are all but guaranteed a scholarship to some college (might be Sinclair, but a college none the less). These organizations also have coaches that are paid (I overheard one group talking about a select assistant (not head) coach making $3,000 for the 3 months of work. The coaches also do NOT have children on the team and usually have been doing it for years. I also know that some of the "select" teams around have coaches that "pay" themselves.
Remember, this is a country founded on and driven by capitalism (the all-mighty dollar). At the end of the day that's what it's about (unfortunately). If you think it's bad now imagine what will happen if/when the pay college athletes!
Right or wrong is moot. The fact is that (just like the camps at the H.S.) it is done all the time around this country. It may not make it right, but it is the norm that is sports in this country and some parents (wrongly) feel that in order to compete and give their child the best chance possible they have to play by those rules.
Finally I can't imagine that a student giving the teacher an apple is something you'd like to see go away. This is a staple found in movies for ages (including A Christmas Story, one of my favorites) How far do you go? Should we not have our kids smile or acknowledge educators outside the classroom or wish them a happy birthday?
#30817 Mar 1, 2014
Anyone who works for a boss that attends seminars are indirectly PAYING FOR THEIR BOSS TO ATTEND THE SEMINAR. An employee helps the company make money and that money is used by the other employees (ie. boss) to do things to further themselves and therefore the business.
I really don't understand how so many on here are against capitalism. What's with all the anti-capitalism speech?
#30818 Mar 1, 2014
Under Dougie's logic, that so-called "Children First" school board should have been working for free, right? Especially during all those extra meetings they called.
I agree with you. Those camps were beyond what's in the coach's contracts, and they should have been compensated.
#30819 Mar 1, 2014
Truth is vastly more money is awarded in academic scholarships than in athletic scholarships.
In 2012 there were 21,600,000 college students.
In 2012 there were 420,000 NCAA athletes
2% were on some sort of athletic scholarship, more often than not this was a partial scholarship not the coveted full ride.
Want to invest all your money in hopes your child will get that partial scholarship to a college they have never heard of before?
Good luck with course of action.
#30820 Mar 1, 2014
The parsimonious amounts that are paid school board members,$125/meeting, about $80/meeting is hardly the financial incentive most would accept manage a $50,000,000 corporation. I am sure that no one on that board is doing this for the money, except of course the retirees on the board.
#30821 Mar 1, 2014
WRONGO once again Less you Know.
I am more specifically speaking of your boss "highly suggesting" that you, the employee, pay your boss money so you can attend the boss's seminar on how you can be a better employee and have a chance at continued future employment.
That is not capitalism, that is called extortion.
#30822 Mar 1, 2014
Those select teams you speak of have tryouts and offer a spot to the best players in hopes of building a winning team because people like to play for winning teams. There is a motive there to field the best team available to produce winning records that are utilized to recruit other players onto winning programs. You are correct in assessing them as capitalism working its ruthless best. Good teams thrive under this system, poorer ones fold.
Your assessment of right and wrong not mattering is, however, incorrect. I pray you are not teaching, promoting, or displaying that ethical assessment to unknowing children.
How we choose to run our programs is a reflection upon our character, values, and what we prize most in this area. I would hope it is for the children and their best interests as opposed to some adults who take advantage of their position to exploit others hopes and dreams.
#30823 Mar 1, 2014
Be sure to see the TV broadcast of the February 27th School board meeting; in which
Miller proves once again that "a mind really is a terrible thing to lose."
#30824 Mar 1, 2014
I wonder how many apples our teachers received last year as opposed to $25 gift cards to Starbucks?
And what of the children who are not fortunate enough to have the economic means to match that gift?
Those PTO mothers who promote gift cards to teachers paid out of PTO funds?
Nothing says generosity like giving away other people's money.
#30825 Mar 1, 2014
$80 was the after tax amount
#30826 Mar 1, 2014
The following flyer went out to all Springboro Schools teachers and staff earlier this week.
A "gift" from "your employer" Springboro schools?
MY ARSE !!
The correct title for this notice should be:
"To the already over-entitled teachers and staff of Springboro Community City Schools, compliments of Springboro Area Taxpayers "
Someone should pick up the phone and call Coffman YMCA to tell them Springboro Schools is cheating on them!
ANNOUNCING A NEW FITNESS CLASS FOR SPRINGBORO STAFF!
A gift from your employer...AT NO COST TO YOU!
STARTING MARCH 10 2014
FROM 4:15PM - 5:05PM
EVERY MONDAY AFTERNOON
My name is __________ and I own a company in Centerville called __________ I offer corporate wellness classes and programs (as well as private one-on-one training), and I am proud to announce that a new fitness class will be coming this March to the the awesome teachers at Springboro City Schools!
This class will consist of body weight training, requiring you to bring only a mat, water, a towel if you'd like, yourself, and a positive attitude! We will be doing a wide range of exercises, all tailored to your group and each individual attendee. Knee problems? Previous shoulder injury? Just nervous about working out? No problem. I will work with you so you get the best workout possible, give you suggestions of alternate exercises as needed, and make your experience fun and successful. Everyone will work at their own pace...just do what you can! The more you come, the easier it gets and the harder you can work! All you have to do is show up!
Start your week off right with a 50-minute workout, right after work, IN THE MULTI-MEDIA ROOM OF SPRINGBORO INTERMEDIATE.
Since: Aug 09
#30827 Mar 1, 2014
but it's 'for the kids", right ? Love the way some of you talk out of both sides of your mouth at the same time.
#30828 Mar 1, 2014
You obviously have not read a coaching contract, try it then get back to us with its contents.
#30829 Mar 1, 2014
According to a district document, Springboro high school health teacher Molly Wray used contact information improperly obtained from old parent permission slips to send a mass email to Springboro High School graduates last August, encouraging them to vote in the upcoming school board election. She also encouraged the graduates to access her Facebook page, where she posted endorsements for three candidates opposing the conservative candidates.
Springboro Treasurer Terrah Floyd acknowledges that the student information Wray used to send her email was protected under Ohio state law and the federal government’s Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act (FERPA). In other words, Wray illegally copied email addresses from confidential district records.
Despite the improper use of protected information for personal and political reasons, the only disciplinary action Springboro school leaders apparently took against Wray was to place a “letter of understanding” in her personnel file that gently reminds the veteran educator to maintain a “professional” relationship with former students.
Wray’s email to students last August mentioned three separate reasons for writing. The first two involved school and alumni news. The third item – which accounted for 50 percent of the email – dealt with a district levy renewal vote and the hotly contested Nov. 5 school board races.
“It is VERY important to vote on November 5th if you are still a Springboro resident,” Wray wrote, according to a copy of the email provided to EAGnews.“YOUR VOTE COUNTS and just may be the difference maker on November 5th.”
The veteran educator then provided graduates with step-by-step instructions for when, where and how they could register to vote in the election. She also encouraged readers to “share this with your Springboro contacts so that (they) see it, use it, and share it too! THANKS!!!”
While Wray stopped short of endorsing any candidates in the August email, she did encourage former students to look her up on Facebook, where she posted two items on the day before the election formally endorsing the three candidates who went on to win their races.
After the results were announced on election night, Wray posted a “thank you” to Springboro voters for electing the three candidates and passing the levy renewal.
District leaders placed a “letter of understanding” in Wray’s personnel file late last month that very gently reminded the veteran educator that district employees are encouraged “to maintain professional relationships with prior students” and “to ensure that the individuals contacted have given permission for you to contact them.”
District officials apparently view the email as a harmless reminder containing a class reunion announcement and a nonpartisan reminder to vote in the November election. They obviously saw no harm or foul when she encouraged the potential voters to refer to her Facebook site for more details – or recommendations.
#30830 Mar 1, 2014
Oh yes, of COURSE the retirees are doing it for the money. I mean, they were in such a selfish profession.
The retirees are about to save our schools from the claws of the Tea Party. It's about time!
#30831 Mar 1, 2014
yep, Malone is doing quite well I am sure.
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