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Worth Repeating Again

Dayton, OH

#30663 Feb 20, 2014
I wish to offer an apology for the tone and tenor of my last post concerning Doug. Regardless of my frustration surrounding the events of this forum, that does not make it right for me to have come out as strong as I did. To that end, I hope you will consider acceptance of this apology.
Worth Repeating Again

Dayton, OH

#30664 Feb 20, 2014
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
<quoted text>
If you want to know how well central planning works out, ask the Soviets and the Chinese about their five year plans for a variety of enterprises. See how well that worked out for them before you try instituting documented failure here.
What does that have to do with the price of tea in China? Are you obsessed with communism?
Facing Problems

Springboro, OH

#30665 Feb 20, 2014
reality wrote:
<quoted text>
You're absolutely correct. Now take what you've posted and continue the logic a step or two. What do indoctrinated students of Springboro schools do best? They tend to pass their Boro indoctrination onto their parents, many of whom have never set foot in a school board meeting. How many parents in this community voted for Malone solely because their kids pleaded for them to do so? How many recent Springboro graduates were misled or duped into voting for Malone because of a certain Springboro teacher's unethical (if not illegal) use of old high school permission slips? The bulk of the aforementioned votes were about bolstering a campaign built to capitalize on our older students' pop figure-worship of Ron Malone. The unethical Malone-supporting campaign blogs had absolutely nothing to do with pressing issues in this district such as validity of current OAA / OGT scoring thresholds.
Many Boro parents tend to be ignorant to, or worse, intentionally wear blinders toward the fact that their children's teachers union ( the SEA) is absolutely dead set on an agenda of creating a seemingly endless list of perceived "needs" in our schools. The more perceived needs union-greed supporters like Babb and Bindemann can lobby for, the more it will appear Springboro City Schools is in need of an "additional" levy. In terms of buidget forcasting, citizens of this community should ignore Ron Malone. Why should we chance putting the reins of this district's fiscal well being in the hands of a man who has continually proven he is incompetent and irresponsible as a manager of capital? We as a community need to demand the immediate removal of Ron Malone from budget and finance chair. We as a community need to continue putting our trust in Jim Rigano and David Petroni. Jim and David are the ones who laid out the groundwork as to how to bring this district back from tons of irresponsible spending that led to tens of millions of dollars worth of irresponsible (and yes, sometimes unaccountable) red ink.
Let's Face It, Springboro.

Ron Malone is the biggest threat to the future of our school children and community. Not everything that is faced can be changed, but nothing can be changed until it is faced.

Let's Face It, Springboro.

Admitting the problem is the first step towards change may sound corny, but it is often true.
Ron Malone can't do better until Ron Malone admits that his old status quo failed practices of the past are not good for our students first 21st century education.

Mr. Malone is pretty good at trying to hide and ignore his problem of failed leadership as the principal that everyone loved for the past 13 years; but now that Mr. Malone is an elected board representative, it is no longer possible for him to hide the truth from concerned citizens, no matter how much Malone tries to ignore it by hiding behind the MSA majority rules mantra in the board room.

Truth is, the majority of voters elected Charles Anderson as board representative.
Now, isn't it time that board president Charles Anderson stopped ignoring his responsibility and accountability to his community wide constituents, and put a stop to this current action of school employee Todd Petrey, who is now working against children first, re-instating Ron Malone's status quo agenda putting union first financial interests priority with our school tax dollars?

Why is it in this community that one man, Ron Malone, is allowed to continue this bullying of his fellow board members and professional peers in the board room, just as he did in his protest rally against his professional peers and Board of Education authority in his vote for revenge against children first, in March 2012?

Face It Springboro. Ron Malone IS the problem at the heart of it all. Ron Malone has got to go, or else our school children and community will lose it all that has been done for the past two years, putting students first.
The More You Know

Dayton, OH

#30666 Feb 20, 2014
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
<quoted text>
If you want to know how well central planning works out, ask the Soviets and the Chinese about their five year plans for a variety of enterprises. See how well that worked out for them before you try instituting documented failure here.
This quarter’s report highlight where the top 20 countries education systems strengthen lies and where there needs to be improvement to maintain, move-up, or drop out of the top 20.

1 Japan
2. South Korea
3. United Kingdom
4. Singapore
5. Russia
6. Finland
7. Canada
8. Netherlands
9. Ireland
10. Israel
11. China
12. New Zealand
13. Norway
14. Belgium
15.Germany
16. Denmark
17. Estonia
18. United States of America
19. France
20. Portugal

Russia 5, China 11, USA 18. If this is an example of central planning why wouldn't we want in on it??????
The More You Know

Dayton, OH

#30667 Feb 20, 2014
Source for above: http://worldtop20.org/
The More You Know

Dayton, OH

#30668 Feb 20, 2014
"Other surprises in the 2013 Poll, was how well some countries outperformed others that spend more per student. The United States had the highest per cost per student ($15,172) but ranked 18th; countries like Estonia 17th ($6,126), Finland 6th ($10,157) and even first place Japan spends less ($10,596) per student."

- http://worldtop20.org/

In Springboro we spend $7,926.

Oakwood spends $11,240.

Mason spends $10,125.

Looks like money does help.
The More You Know

Springboro, OH

#30669 Feb 20, 2014
The More You Know wrote:
<quoted text>
Why is it that a child in Alabama should be treated differently than a child in New York? They both wear the same diapers and eat the same food, etc.
Common core is about standards NOT curriculum. Suggesting that children in Alabama can't learn at the same rate as children in New York (or anywhere else) is a logic that would lead that we need different traffic laws in New York as we have in Alabama.
Isn't common core really all about leveraging all school tax dollars that are collected on a local level (including wealthy and affluent zip code area 45066) and then allowing the federal government to suck up local tax dollars and then "spread the wealth" because the federal government "feels" like the system works better to collectively dumbdown the masses?
Probe deeper into the more you know about common core and you might agree with those who believe that common core standards are more focused on perceived needs of income equality, other than raising the bar for excellence in education putting priority on each individual's highest academic achievement potential.
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#30670 Feb 20, 2014
The More You Know wrote:
Source for above: http://worldtop20.org/
Detroit, Michigan $14,880 per pupil in the public schools

Their kids must be twice as smart as ours.

Washington, DC $29,409 per pupil in the public schools

Their kids must be four times smarter than ours

Dayton, OH (2010-11)$14,047

Again are these kids twice as smart as ours.
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#30671 Feb 20, 2014
Worth Repeating Again wrote:
<quoted text>
What does that have to do with the price of tea in China? Are you obsessed with communism?
Not really, only in historical record for those attempts at central planning and those five year plans were beauts. Central planning has invariably failed in those worker's paradises and will fail again in the United States. Who will suffer the consequences of the elitist arrogance? The children, just like always.
Stay Focused

Springboro, OH

#30672 Feb 20, 2014
The More You Know wrote:
"Other surprises in the 2013 Poll, was how well some countries outperformed others that spend more per student. The United States had the highest per cost per student ($15,172) but ranked 18th; countries like Estonia 17th ($6,126), Finland 6th ($10,157) and even first place Japan spends less ($10,596) per student."
- http://worldtop20.org/
In Springboro we spend $7,926.
Oakwood spends $11,240.
Mason spends $10,125.
Looks like money does help.
Of course "Money Does Help" and that's why Springboro citizens are focusing on current ongoing investigations of our former SHS principal's misallocation of our school district funds and resources; and the outrage of this Booster Board officer's million dollar theft of our money, right under the noses of our School Superintendent, School Principal, School Athletic Director, and elected Board of Education representatives. All these "powers that be" simple IGNORED one parent's question in a public board meeting when the question was asked: Where does the pay to play fees go? Springboro citizens are still asking that question and we are not going to be diverted in our seach for truth (and holding those accountable who have lied to us all these years, in protection of themselves) by these silly ridicules of "the more you know." Where is the outrage? And what has the outrage of theft/misallocation of money in our Springboro schools got to do with how much money Oakwood and Mason spend?

Springboro Citizens Want to Know: WHERE IS THE MONEY?
The More You Know about the true history of our school district financial oversights in the years before 2010 (when Springboro parent Kelly Kohls came on the BOE and started asking Tough Questions) then the more Springboro Taxpayers know that our school district does not need MORE money; we need MORE accountability to taxpayers from those in responsible leadership positions.
Other School districts should be watching these ongoing audits currently continuing in our Springboro Schools.
The More You Know

Dayton, OH

#30673 Feb 20, 2014
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
<quoted text>
Detroit, Michigan $14,880 per pupil in the public schools
Their kids must be twice as smart as ours.
Washington, DC $29,409 per pupil in the public schools
Their kids must be four times smarter than ours
Dayton, OH (2010-11)$14,047
Again are these kids twice as smart as ours.
And your answer to China and Russia being above us?
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#30674 Feb 20, 2014
Anyone else notice not a soul came to the rescue of our ethically challenged coaching staff or their erstwhile management? No one gave a good accounting of why it was better to divert money from the Mom's Club and put it in the coaches private accounts.

Where are the Boosters who know where the money went and now seemingly have no problem with Mr. Holtrey pocketing the money that was supposed to go to support our children's programs?

I wonder if there will be a rally?
The More You Know

Dayton, OH

#30675 Feb 20, 2014
The More You Know wrote:
<quoted text>
Isn't common core really all about leveraging all school tax dollars that are collected on a local level (including wealthy and affluent zip code area 45066) and then allowing the federal government to suck up local tax dollars and then "spread the wealth" because the federal government "feels" like the system works better to collectively dumbdown the masses?
AGAIN where does the common core standards "dumb down" the masses? Where is the CEILING for learning under the standards? Please provide the PROOF. 8th grade math can still be taught in 7th grade students under the standard.
The More You Know

Dayton, OH

#30676 Feb 20, 2014
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
<quoted text>
Not really, only in historical record for those attempts at central planning and those five year plans were beauts. Central planning has invariably failed in those worker's paradises and will fail again in the United States. Who will suffer the consequences of the elitist arrogance? The children, just like always.
This quarter’s report highlight where the top 20 countries education systems strengthen lies and where there needs to be improvement to maintain, move-up, or drop out of the top 20.

1 Japan
2. South Korea
3. United Kingdom
4. Singapore
5. Russia
6. Finland
7. Canada
8. Netherlands
9. Ireland
10. Israel
11. China
12. New Zealand
13. Norway
14. Belgium
15.Germany
16. Denmark
17. Estonia
18. United States of America
19. France
20. Portugal

http://worldtop20.org/

Russia 5, China 11, USA 18. If this is an example of central planning in education why wouldn't we want in on it??????
The More You Know

Dayton, OH

#30677 Feb 20, 2014
Stay Focused wrote:
<quoted text>
Springboro Citizens Want to Know: WHERE IS THE MONEY?
Here we go again with the generalizations. I suppose you have asked ALL springboro citizens? What gives you the right to speak for all of them?
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#30678 Feb 20, 2014
The More You Know wrote:
<quoted text>
And your answer to China and Russia being above us?
Their kids work harder and more is expected of them.
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#30679 Feb 20, 2014
The More You Know wrote:
<quoted text>
AGAIN where does the common core standards "dumb down" the masses? Where is the CEILING for learning under the standards? Please provide the PROOF. 8th grade math can still be taught in 7th grade students under the standard.
You can look at the great thing the state minimum standards and no child left behind (authored by the great humanitarian Ted Kennedy) standards as examples of how this continues to artificially inflate euphemistic achievement.

If the 80% of 8th graders cannot pass the basic Ohio Achievement Assessment test now, do you really believe they are going to be smarter in 7th grade?
Really Newsworthy

Springboro, OH

#30680 Feb 20, 2014
Worth Repeating Again wrote:
<quoted text>
What does that have to do with the price of tea in China? Are you obsessed with communism?
The above post is Not Really Worth Repeating again," but hey there, have you noticed the OBSESSION that some on this Topix blog have with trying to distract readers from the Truth that Doug Weideman is posting?

Are you not one of those on this blog that are OBSESSED with politics of personal destruction, trying to discredit the good service of private citizen, Doug Weideman, who has the wherewithal and business expertise to understand the importance of
this continuing "Probe of Coach Camps to Continue" as stated in the DDN February 11, 2014, article?

Yost's office and the school district would not comment on the '"additional issues."
"That audit is ongoing," Blaine Kelly, spokesman for the Ohio Auditor's Office, said.
The Jewell of It All

Springboro, OH

#30681 Feb 20, 2014
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
Anyone else notice not a soul came to the rescue of our ethically challenged coaching staff or their erstwhile management? No one gave a good accounting of why it was better to divert money from the Mom's Club and put it in the coaches private accounts.
Where are the Boosters who know where the money went and now seemingly have no problem with Mr. Holtrey pocketing the money that was supposed to go to support our children's programs?
I wonder if there will be a rally?
Why not ask Tiffany Carlisle?

Tiffany led the North Park Rally in July 2012.

Wasn't Tiffany (along with Sarah Jobe) Principal Malone's chosen One for SHS representation to Todd Petrey's District Parents Council?

Wasn't Tiffany one of the NFSS ladies who protested in public board meeting the reduced fees for pay to play? Wasn't Tiffany the NFSS lady that object to the Board's vote to offer the student work program; so that those students having financial difficulty could earn the money to participate in a sport that they enjoyed?

Was it not within this close knit insiders group of District Parents Council (including Tiffany) that the Superintendent aired his complaints against our Springboro parents who had not paid their past due fees to the school district, discussing the negative impacts of this loss of revenue (more than $200,000?)

Was it not the NFSS Levy Queen who "sympathetically" protested that the 25% reduction in fees had been granted by "this Board"..... adding that she would be willing to pick up the extra cost, without the reduction in fees, if there were parents that really could not afford to pay....

But, the NFSS Levy Queen "Confided" to our highly paid school superintendent
..... that she didn't approve of a certain Board Member (who was elected in November 2009) wasting money on a family vacation?
Oh Doug

Detroit, MI

#30682 Feb 20, 2014
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
<quoted text>
Tell us your version of the facts, we are dying to hear why you don't think we got took for over a million dollars plus through lax management, poor administrative oversight, and outright theft.
I don't deal in speculation, just facts. The facts are that the boosters "got took" for over 400k .

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