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Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#30312 Feb 2, 2014
They already hatched wrote:
<quoted text>
In other words, you grossly exaggerated the amount. Ok, gotcha.
How much do you think Mr. Harves gathered unto himself from our unwatched coffers?

Go on give us your rationalization why $1,000,000 plus is not the right amount.

How many others were plundering the pie while our erstwhile administrators were out to lunch?
dung heap

Dayton, OH

#30313 Feb 2, 2014
Malone is one big narcissist..betcha every room in his house have mirrors on all four walls.
The More You Know

Tipp City, OH

#30318 Feb 2, 2014
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
<quoted text>
How much do you think Mr. Harves gathered unto himself from our unwatched coffers?
Go on give us your rationalization why $1,000,000 plus is not the right amount.
How many others were plundering the pie while our erstwhile administrators were out to lunch?
Actually since you are the one doing the accusing, the burden of PROOF is on YOU.
(Didn't you ever watch Perry Mason?)

Still can't do it can you?

Nice to see other people are on here calling you out for what you are. Doen't take long for them to see it. As for the other's who support you here, they are too busy bathing in the Kool-Tea......
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#30319 Feb 3, 2014
The More You Know wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually since you are the one doing the accusing, the burden of PROOF is on YOU.
(Didn't you ever watch Perry Mason?)
Still can't do it can you?
Nice to see other people are on here calling you out for what you are. Doen't take long for them to see it. As for the other's who support you here, they are too busy bathing in the Kool-Tea......
If you deny my rational, give me a better one to examine. Bottom line is we lost way more than just the $438,000 the banks had records for during Mr. Malone's tenure?(Banks are required by law to keep records for just 7 years)

Do you really believe Mr. Harves possessed such character that allowed him to resist the temptation to loot the bags of uncounted cash on his kitchen table?

Do you really believe the Mr Harves only wrote checks to himself during the period that the banks retained records?

The high school principal, Mr Malone was charged with coordinating the volunteer fund raising efforts of the parents with the needs of the children under his supervision.

How closely should Mr. Malone have worked with an organization to avoid being taken for $1,000,000 plus over a twelve year period?

Apparently a good deal closer.
The More You Know

Franksville, WI

#30320 Feb 3, 2014
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
<quoted text>
If you deny my rational, give me a better one to examine. Bottom line is we lost way more than just the $438,000 the banks had records for during Mr. Malone's tenure?(Banks are required by law to keep records for just 7 years)
Do you really believe Mr. Harves possessed such character that allowed him to resist the temptation to loot the bags of uncounted cash on his kitchen table?
Do you really believe the Mr Harves only wrote checks to himself during the period that the banks retained records?
The high school principal, Mr Malone was charged with coordinating the volunteer fund raising efforts of the parents with the needs of the children under his supervision.
How closely should Mr. Malone have worked with an organization to avoid being taken for $1,000,000 plus over a twelve year period?
Apparently a good deal closer.
I don't just deny your rational, I deny you know how to read comprehensively.

Principals AND STAFF MEMBERS need to work closely with the officers of all parent organizations to enhance the educational opportunities for students.

Again, where is the blame for the other staff members? What about the Jr. High Principal?

How do you get "Mr. Malone was charged" when in the document YOU cited it states "Principals AND STAFF MEMBERS need to work closely with the officers of all parent organizations to enhance the educational opportunities for students."

Please provide the PROOF where "Dr. Malone was charged" to operate in the capacity you stated.

The witch hunt is still on.

And by the way it's NOT 7 years: According to the FDIC: "(ii) Retention of records. The bank must retain the information in paragraph (a)(3)(i)(A) of this section for five years after the date the account is closed or, in the case of credit card accounts, five years after the account is closed or becomes dormant. The bank must retain the information in paragraphs (a)(3)(i)(B),(C), and (D) of this section for five years after the record is made. " - http://www.fdic.gov/regulations/laws/rules/80...

Seems you know as much about bank regs as you do school regs. Your fact-checking is slipping.....
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#30321 Feb 3, 2014
The More You Know wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't just deny your rational, I deny you know how to read comprehensively.
Principals AND STAFF MEMBERS need to work closely with the officers of all parent organizations to enhance the educational opportunities for students.
Again, where is the blame for the other staff members? What about the Jr. High Principal?
How do you get "Mr. Malone was charged" when in the document YOU cited it states "Principals AND STAFF MEMBERS need to work closely with the officers of all parent organizations to enhance the educational opportunities for students."
Please provide the PROOF where "Dr. Malone was charged" to operate in the capacity you stated.
The witch hunt is still on.
And by the way it's NOT 7 years: According to the FDIC: "(ii) Retention of records. The bank must retain the information in paragraph (a)(3)(i)(A) of this section for five years after the date the account is closed or, in the case of credit card accounts, five years after the account is closed or becomes dormant. The bank must retain the information in paragraphs (a)(3)(i)(B),(C), and (D) of this section for five years after the record is made. " - http://www.fdic.gov/regulations/laws/rules/80...
Seems you know as much about bank regs as you do school regs. Your fact-checking is slipping.....
Five years makes it EVEN WORSE, that comes to $87,600 PER YEAR in checks Mr. Harves was writing to himself. That amount does not address the scads of uncounted cash sitting in brown paper bags on Mr. Harves kitchen table.

Which staff members carried the weight of moral authority and respect that Mr. Malone exuded in the district?

If the big cheese isn't bothering to look, why would one of the little people?

Mr. Malone, set the tone and tenor of his high school, people followed his lead, who are you expecting to buck that trend at our high school? Mr. Malone's hand picked AD who proffered a myriad of excuses for why there was no record of booster IRS filings since 2005?

The Spanish teacher?

Who?

And the question still begs an answer, where is the recovered money?
The More You Know

Franksville, WI

#30322 Feb 3, 2014
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
<quoted text>
Five years makes it EVEN WORSE, that comes to $87,600 PER YEAR in checks Mr. Harves was writing to himself. That amount does not address the scads of uncounted cash sitting in brown paper bags on Mr. Harves kitchen table.
Which staff members carried the weight of moral authority and respect that Mr. Malone exuded in the district?
If the big cheese isn't bothering to look, why would one of the little people?
Mr. Malone, set the tone and tenor of his high school, people followed his lead, who are you expecting to buck that trend at our high school? Mr. Malone's hand picked AD who proffered a myriad of excuses for why there was no record of booster IRS filings since 2005?
The Spanish teacher?
Who?
And the question still begs an answer, where is the recovered money?
First, the only thing EVEN WORSE about it is how it call in to question your statments that are grossely over stated if not entirely mistated.

Why wouldn't the "big cheese" be the superintendant (or the BOE for that matter).

As far as the money, ask the boosters. "Authorities said Harves occasionally made payments TO THE BOOSTERS totaling more than $280,000, including a lump-sum payment of nearly $144,000 after he was confronted by other board members."

And, by the way :

"No evidence was found to link other board members or anyone else to the plot to embezzle money from the group.

Club officials said the association has instituted more stringent controls to prevent similar incidents."

Again, your arrogance and refusal to see anyone else at fault in the matter is a detriment to your credibility. I'm guessing you would say that Dr. Malone would be responsible for any "girl scout cookie" money that comes up missing as well? I'll alert the local chapter, just in case.
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#30323 Feb 3, 2014
The More You Know wrote:
<quoted text>
First, the only thing EVEN WORSE about it is how it call in to question your statments that are grossely over stated if not entirely mistated.
Why wouldn't the "big cheese" be the superintendant (or the BOE for that matter).
As far as the money, ask the boosters. "Authorities said Harves occasionally made payments TO THE BOOSTERS totaling more than $280,000, including a lump-sum payment of nearly $144,000 after he was confronted by other board members."
And, by the way :
"No evidence was found to link other board members or anyone else to the plot to embezzle money from the group.
Club officials said the association has instituted more stringent controls to prevent similar incidents."
Again, your arrogance and refusal to see anyone else at fault in the matter is a detriment to your credibility. I'm guessing you would say that Dr. Malone would be responsible for any "girl scout cookie" money that comes up missing as well? I'll alert the local chapter, just in case.
Mr. Malone was the one who had the first person contact with the groups that supported his schools, it is utterly unimaginable that anyone did anything in Mr. Malone's school of which he would be unaware.

The Board of Education, many years prior, charged the school principals with working closely with their support organizations. Why would the Board from years ago ask this action be performed?

Because the parents involved in raising monies for a particular school generally had children in that school and it would be most likely that the principal of that school would have more contact with those parents than say the superintendent.

Mr. Harves forked over $144,000 to the district before he headed down the street to speak with the police. At his trial the judge told him he had to make restitution of $153,000 or so before sentencing. They credited him with "paying back" $130,000 or so before he was caught.

I wonder if any of that uncounted cash that was so willfully ignored, was used to "pay" any of that money? After all, most of us know hard difficult it is to pay off a modest home in 15 -30 years, where did a painting contractor's supervisor find those kind of monies in just a few years?

The prosecutor said that Mr. Harves actions were entirely his own. The prosecutor did NOT say that absolutely no one else was absconding with our money elsewhere. The prosecutor dealt only with Mr. Harves and his situation, nobody else.

That does not mean that no one else could have been scamming on their own in other arenas. Given the paucity of controls and our willingness to believe the best in our fellow men, it is not unreasonable that some people may have felt they could take advantage of the program.

Fiduciary duty and trust are paramount in situations involving the funds raised through volunteer efforts on the behalf of children.

Mr. Malone was one of those who took that duty and responsibility too lightly.

In regards to more stringent controls, where are the reporting mechanisms instituted since they admitted to the looting?

I asked for such reports and received a checking account statement that showed how much money was deposited and who the checks were written to each month. This is the type of reporting MR HARVES preferred, it tells you exactly what he wants the reader to know.

Real accounting reveals the underlying cost structure of a business and its subsequent sales revenue, from which we are able to judge if a proper return on investment is being earned. Accounting illuminates inefficiencies, offers possible corrective measures, and brings to light opportunities.

While the checking account statement is important as a check and balance item, it alone does not quite do the same thing.
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#30325 Feb 3, 2014
The question remains, whether it is $500,000 or $250,000, where is the money.
reality

Springfield, OH

#30326 Feb 3, 2014
dung heap wrote:
Malone is one big narcissist..betcha every room in his house have mirrors on all four walls.
Plus these days, Ron Malone is filled to the gills with spite. All anyone in this community needs to do is to come to any school board meeting to not only witness the spite in Malone's eyes but also to hear it in his voice. When you come to meetings, be sure to bring lots of older Springboro students with you. Each and every Boro student should be hearing what's coming out of the mouth of Ron Malone, the role model they themselves christened to be "insanely popular" in this community.
Enough

Springfield, OH

#30327 Feb 3, 2014
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
<quoted text>
Five years makes it EVEN WORSE, that comes to $87,600 PER YEAR in checks Mr. Harves was writing to himself. That amount does not address the scads of uncounted cash sitting in brown paper bags on Mr. Harves kitchen table.
Which staff members carried the weight of moral authority and respect that Mr. Malone exuded in the district?
If the big cheese isn't bothering to look, why would one of the little people?
Mr. Malone, set the tone and tenor of his high school, people followed his lead, who are you expecting to buck that trend at our high school? Mr. Malone's hand picked AD who proffered a myriad of excuses for why there was no record of booster IRS filings since 2005?
The Spanish teacher?
Who?
And the question still begs an answer, where is the recovered money?
Wow!! We just continue to beat the dead horse!!
Follow the Monies

Springfield, OH

#30328 Feb 3, 2014
The Boosters were paid back the monies that Harves took.
IF you doubt it or have questions, go to them and ask to see the books!
The monies that were taken have NOTHING to do with Dr. Malone.
The monies taken were taken from the Boosters and paid back directly to the Boosters as per the Warren County Courts!
Stop beating a dead horse!
Strange Friendships

Springfield, OH

#30329 Feb 3, 2014
Does anyone else think it is strange the power that Babb 'appears' to have in our District??
Why does one parent get to have the ear of the Superintendent and no other parent?
Who elected her to be our voice?
Where is the Money

Springfield, OH

#30330 Feb 3, 2014
Enough wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow!! We just continue to beat the dead horse!!
Where is the Money?
Where is the Money

Springfield, OH

#30331 Feb 3, 2014
Follow the Monies wrote:
The Boosters were paid back the monies that Harves took.
IF you doubt it or have questions, go to them and ask to see the books!
The monies that were taken have NOTHING to do with Dr. Malone.
The monies taken were taken from the Boosters and paid back directly to the Boosters as per the Warren County Courts!
Stop beating a dead horse!
Where is a dead horse?

Where is the Money?
The More You Know

Tipp City, OH

#30332 Feb 3, 2014
Where is the Money wrote:
<quoted text>
Where is a dead horse?
Where is the Money?
WHERE is your point????

Go ahead, call the courts. They ordered the money to be paid. They are supported by your precious tax dollars. Call them up and have them give you what you seek.
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#30333 Feb 4, 2014
Enough wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow!! We just continue to beat the dead horse!!
Where is the money?

Where is all of the money the parents had to pay to make up for that lost through embezzlement?

Why is the girls basketball locker room still a disgrace when compared with the boys country club wood paneled look?

Why do the girls plow through ruts, bogs, and potholes in the softball outfield while the boys baseball field is tiled to ensure proper drainage?

Why are there no lights on either the baseball or the softball fields?

Why does our track team endure with a fast decaying pole vault pit, high jump landing area, and hosts of minor equipment issues that need addressed?

Ask wrestling what they need or our successful cross country teams.

Make the public boosters financials public to the public so we can see how we are dong as an organization that truly supports our student athletic program.
Where is the Money

Springfield, OH

#30334 Feb 4, 2014
The More You Know wrote:
<quoted text>
WHERE is your point????
Go ahead, call the courts. They ordered the money to be paid. They are supported by your precious tax dollars. Call them up and have them give you what you seek.
Where is your point in posting "The More You Know" when YOU don't know more?

Where is the Money?
a must see

Springfield, OH

#30335 Feb 4, 2014
Don't miss the big debate @ 7:00 PM this evening.

Featuring self righteous Bible-thumper KEN HAM vs. BILL NYE, the soulless heathen, direct from Ham's Creation Museum in Northern Kentucky

FREE live streaming is available to anyone.

debatelive.org
The More You Know

Franksville, WI

#30336 Feb 4, 2014
a must see wrote:
Don't miss the big debate @ 7:00 PM this evening.
Featuring self righteous Bible-thumper KEN HAM vs. BILL NYE, the soulless heathen, direct from Ham's Creation Museum in Northern Kentucky
FREE live streaming is available to anyone.
debatelive.org
No debate needed for the logical:

Evolution = science (can be proven or disproven)

Creation = faith-based (cannot be proven or disproven)

The fact that evolution CAN be proven wrong (or right) is EXACTLY what makes it SCIENCE.

Creation (complex living animals from nothing) cannot be proven (or disproven) therefore it is NOT SCIENCE.

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