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Our recommendation: Springboro voters should say 'yes' the first time to school levies

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The More You Know

Tipp City, OH

#30167 Jan 25, 2014
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
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Forums are a place for open discussion of competing ideas, much like something called a debate.
In this instance we discuss our school system and how best to deliver the educational goods to the largest number of students in the most efficient and effective way possible.
There appears to be two competing visions for how this should be done, one calling for reform and results for our children, the other calling for maintaining the status quo for the employees.
Which side do you wish to argue, the needs of the children or the demands of the union?
Definition of forum: an assembly, meeting place, television program, etc., for the discussion of questions of public interest.
The More You Know

Tipp City, OH

#30168 Jan 25, 2014
Apparently Unaware wrote:
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You are aware that there was more than one election held last November. FAILURE in your cognitive awareness.
When was the other election in November. I knew of only 1 election day last November.
The More You Know

Tipp City, OH

#30169 Jan 25, 2014
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
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Congratulations to you.
In baseball hitting .300 gets you in the Hall of Fame. Shooting 40% from the three point line is considered great in college basketball.
Learning only 30-40% of the material in a given school year, each and every year, is the recipe for disaster in a child's future.
And getting through only 40% for you would seem a recipe for disaster of financial backing that could have gone to the girls basketball program (or to pay for admittance into a football game).
The More You Know

Tipp City, OH

#30170 Jan 25, 2014
Your Need to Know More wrote:
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Do YOU know that Mr. Doug Wiedemann was not in the running for elected office in the November 2013 election?
Do YOU know that Mr. Doug Wiedemann (who is known around town as a concerned Springboro Parent and successful business man in the community) brought to public attention the financial/business expertise and good judgment of Mr. Charles Anderson?
Do YOU not know that it was BECAUSE of Mr. Doug Wiedemann's personal endorsement of Mr. Charles Anderson throughout our community that brought the most popular Vote in the November 2013 school board election to community business man, Mr. Charles Anderson; pushing our two Retired Educators, Mr. Malone and Mr. Stuckey, into Second and Third Place as the people's choice? There is only room in the Number One Postion for One Winner; and clearly there is no Threesome Winner (as YOU claim that MSA is the Majority--Just Not True--as you Well Know BUT refuse to Accept that Mr. Ron Malone is not the top winner in the BOE election).
It does seem to others that "the more YOU know" the more ignorance of the TRUTH you show. Have YOU told your Super Hero Mr. Ron Malone that he is a legend only in his own mind; and now that he is accountable to all community taxpayers (and not accountable to the SEA president to run our board room like a union shop like Mr. Malone run our SHS for the SEA president) have YOU told Mr. Ron Malone that he the one that is delusional in his own greatness and that he can choose to get on board putting our students first while maintaining fiscal integrity; OR he may find himself facing the Wrath of common sense taxpayers telling Mr. Malone "No New Taxes" for more more more re-emphasis on the financial gain of the "educators."
I thought the top 3 electors with the most vote were put on the board. What did Mr. Anderson receive that Dr. Malone and Mr. Stuckey didn't? If they take the top 3 what difference is the order they come in as long as they are 3. 100% of the candidates I backed got voted in. Only 33% of Doug's got in and by his own admittance that is a disaster........
Now do you believe us

United States

#30171 Jan 25, 2014
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
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Perhaps you should read the headline in today's Dayton Daily News
40% of Ohio High School Graduates Not Ready for College
Then you can continue you snarky, uncaring remarks.
And we continually hear from the business community that college graduates aren't ready for the workforce. Perhaps colleges need to do some reevaluating. Perhaps high schools are doing their part, but colleges are missing the mark?
Test

United States

#30172 Jan 25, 2014
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
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The Performance Index program devised by the state is somewhat misleading in its purported measurement of accomplishment.
The PI is calculated by using a weighted average of individual student performance levels on the proficiency and achievement tests at grades where multiple score levels are reported. As achievement tests are implemented the scores will be included in the PI calculation beginning with the first year’s administration of the new test
It measures how many children are PROFICIENT or above. As we all should know by now PROFICIENT equals FAILURE. No child who is scoring 33%-63% on a test is PROFICIENT at anything.
Friendly euphemisms are no substitute for actual accomplishment in the classrooms.
The numbers you cite are a reflection of the culture of fun and dumbing down the program of studies across the board to reward more people with artificial "A's" on a report card that are actually deserved.
The headline in the Dayton Daily News today reflects this sad state of affairs.
The test is flawed, not the students.
Not Here

United States

#30173 Jan 25, 2014
More Than You Know wrote:
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Notice the trend???
Tuesday Jan 21 | The Cincinnati Enquirer
Fiscal conservatives rule more local school boards
The political landscape among local school boards may be changing. For the first time in the region, candidates who go by a variety of self-applied labels - fiscal conservatives, anti-tax activists, tea party activists - have won what appear to be majorities on local school boards and wield wide control over school policy choices and millions of ...(more)
Not in Boro!!! Whew!
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#30174 Jan 25, 2014
Test wrote:
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The test is flawed, not the students.
Maybe its not the test but our preparation methodology for taking the test. In other words maybe our children are not being taught all they need to pass these basic tests.

Math is a very objective subject, there is only one right answer on these basic tests.
Apparently Unaware

Lebanon, OH

#30175 Jan 25, 2014
The More You Know wrote:
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When was the other election in November. I knew of only 1 election day last November.
The more you write the less intelligent you appear. Did you notice any other offices up for election on the November ballot? You probably just dreamed you voted.
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#30176 Jan 25, 2014
Not Here wrote:
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Not in Boro!!! Whew!
The story is yet to be written, I would not yet count my chickens before they hatch on that one.
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#30177 Jan 25, 2014
The More You Know wrote:
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Definition of forum: an assembly, meeting place, television program, etc., for the discussion of questions of public interest.
Discussions are debates.
Hahaha

United States

#30178 Jan 25, 2014
The More You Know wrote:
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It got handed to him last election.....
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! So true. His money couldn't buy votes!(It was hard to take his "literature" seriously when it was so filled with errors. I think he would have benefitted from getting an education from a school led by Dr. Malone!)
Just a test

United States

#30179 Jan 25, 2014
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
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Maybe its not the test but our preparation methodology for taking the test. In other words maybe our children are not being taught all they need to pass these basic tests.
Math is a very objective subject, there is only one right answer on these basic tests.
There is SO much more to education than one test. The system for determining proficiency is flawed.
They already hatched

United States

#30180 Jan 25, 2014
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
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The story is yet to be written, I would not yet count my chickens before they hatch on that one.
The chickens already hatched, your Tea Party is not in control anymore. Will they be again one day? I doubt it but who knows? For now, all my little chickens are very happy!
Come Grow With Us

Springfield, OH

#30181 Jan 25, 2014
Not Here wrote:
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Not in Boro!!! Whew!
You betcha "Not Here" in Boro will Ron Malone get a second chance to dumb down our curriculum, using our high school program of studies to make up classes with scant demand to ensure employment for those union teachers whose skills were not in demand.

You betcha "Not Here" in Boro will Ron Malone and those for S-U-R-E get by with tearing down the good reputation of our reform minded elected officials who are just being honest with the community; who are telling Springboro Families that we can no longer INVEST in Ron Malone's status quo failed practices of the past....Our retired educators, Ron Malone and David Stuckey, must get on board with our Community-Wide Vision of Reform for the future of our school district's financial sustainability.

As the man who led our school district as high school principal for 13 years, Ron Malone held a special place of trust, authority, and influence in our community; but for the past two years since March 2012, Mr. Malone has chosen to use those good gifts of influence to demonize the reputation of reform minded board members, simply because these board members Tried and Succeeded in making some State-mandated changes and further ASKED tough questions.

Mr. Malone's True History was kept hidden from the majority of community voters under the Union Label of "insanely popular." But, Whew! Thanks to "The More You Know" about Ron Malone, the Smarter You Grow in the direction of Common Sense!

A year ago, our district faced a sort of "perfect storm" with needs for EVERYTHING from buses and books to technology and staffing coming to the surface at the same time! Through good management and some good fortune, our once rudderless ship emerged from that storm with clear leadership and direction. Clearly there are still challenges, but we are moving in the direction of putting Children First.

Whew! School board elections come and go and even insane popularity tends to lose its glow....(and Two retired educators out of Five elected board members do not a majority of retired educators make)... but clear, common sense leadership and direction putting Children First gives our school district employees and school district taxpayers, working together, a unifying direction that extends beyond any individual (including Ron Malone, who has been a principal of the SHS building in the PAST years of 2000-2013).
Come Grow With Us

Springfield, OH

#30182 Jan 25, 2014
The time has now come to take the spotlight off former high school principal Ron Malone. All parents should be alert to checking out the good things that are happening every day in schools, including the High School. Our new high school principal deserves a note of thanks and appreciation! Check out the building principals daily updates and remember to take time to e-mail a thank you when you see our leadership putting our students first!

Check the Springboro Schools Website .... where these encouraging words to grow on are found.......

Springboro is an exceptional district with an experienced and dedicated staff as well as involved families and strong community support.
Long-held Panther traditions are merging with the expectations of a changing world. Many top careers didn’t even exist ten years ago, and our students are growing up immersed in technology. Today we are creating a 21st Century learning environment where all children are encouraged to succeed in the globally and digitally connected world.
Our commitment to students is demonstrated in all aspects of operations, including differentiated instruction, investments in technology and STEM initiatives, and building a Pre K through 12 continuous curriculum. With the input of staff, administrators and the community, we continually update district goals to maintain our balanced budget and also dedicate resources to academics, community engagement, finance, safety and facilities.
Springboro Schools perform very well. As we adopt the new Common Core curriculum, new teacher and principal evaluation systems, new testing, standards and technology, Springboro is poised to set a new standard for excellence.
Thank you for staying informed and involved. There is a lot being said about our schools. Be sure to stay connected to us through this website. Use the E-Communication Registration link above to receive our district communication as well as the principal’s updates from any of our six school buildings.
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#30183 Jan 25, 2014
The More You Know wrote:
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And getting through only 40% for you would seem a recipe for disaster of financial backing that could have gone to the girls basketball program (or to pay for admittance into a football game).
Not really when you look at the level of penetration the truth received in the past election. Once the level of consciousness is raised people begin looking at things from a different perspective. Remember that Goldwater was slaughtered at the polls in 1964 in the aftermath of the Kennedy assassination, yet went on to a well respected and productive two decades in the Senate. Much of what he ran upon as is memorialized in Ronald Reagan's speech supporting Goldwater "A Time For Choosing". Well worth the time to listen, you will be stunned and amazed by its perspicacity.



Funny how time vindicates reality.
Laughing All the Way

Springfield, OH

#30184 Jan 25, 2014
Hahaha wrote:
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HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! So true. His money couldn't buy votes!(It was hard to take his "literature" seriously when it was so filled with errors. I think he would have benefitted from getting an education from a school led by Dr. Malone!)
Hahaha.... I think All Springboro families are laughing all the way to the Bank, benefitting from the honesty of our Board members belief that it is wrong to over tax the people (even if the people don't know it) and being honest with what is actually needed through 2017 with renewal levy that saves taxpayers $6.5 million! Now seriously, This if reform at the local level, and this is working together toward sustainability...... Just Priceless!
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#30185 Jan 25, 2014
Just a test wrote:
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There is SO much more to education than one test. The system for determining proficiency is flawed.
This is a basic test designed to see what our children know and don't know. In math there is only one answer at these levels that answers the question.

The state provides the students the formulas for the math tests as is evidenced by direction 3 of the test booklet.

3. Refer to the Mathematics Reference Sheet in your Student Test Booklet for mathematical formulas and expressions. You may remove this page from your Student Test Booklet.

(Children don't have to even know the formulas any longer, the state provides them as part of the test. Back in the day they teachers would have referred to that behavior as cheating and a slam at their individual teaching skill.)

The blueprint for the test construction may be found with the below link.

http://education.ohio.gov/getattachment/Topic...

The 8th grade math test is composed of three sections of low, medium, and high degree of difficulty.

Low complexity questions account for 25-35% of your test points.
Low complexity questions requires recall of facts and definitions or performing routine, specified procedures.

Medium complexity questions account for 40-50% of your test points.
Medium complexity questions requires some interpretation or multi-step problem solutions.

High complexity questions account for 15-25% of your test points.
High complexity questions requires analysis of or justifying reasoning and solution for more complicated problem situations.

32 questions out of 38 are multiple choice.

I don't believe they are asking our children questions that are not covered in their text books.

Maybe if we just taught the material in the text books well, the test would take care of themselves.

Here is the link to the practice tests

http://education.ohio.gov/getattachment/Topic...
The More You Know

Tipp City, OH

#30186 Jan 25, 2014
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
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Discussions are debates.
You've never discussed a subject with someone that you both held the same position on?

http://oregonstate.edu/oei/sites/default/file...

There is a difference.....

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