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A Khatibloo-McClel lan

Miamisburg, OH

#29488 Nov 26, 2013
respect wrote:
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Just curious, what are you? Not a Christian but, what? What is Khatibloo? Is this why you went ballistic at the thought of a Christian org teaching the Constitution? You are a lawyer at Lexus Nexus, right, and use this foul language? Interesting. BTW it is Jesus not Jeesh.:)
What I am is an individual who believes everyone has the right to choose their beliefs and how/when/what is taught to their children by way of religion. And to be perfectly clear, I am married to a devout Catholic. We actually share more by way of our beliefs than we have differences. If you knew anything about the 3 "main" religions in this world, you would know that.
I went ballastic, as you call it, not because the group 'teaching' was Christian (check your facts), but because that group is made up of individuals who perpetuate hate. Check out their information anywhere on the web. But let's put that aside because I was one among many who opposed the garbage being touted by that group, among whom were Christians.
Moving on - Jeesh was used intentially instead of Jesus. If you don't know why, I guess it's not up to me to teach you that. I'm quite aware of what I wrote.
And where I work is rather irrelevant, but you should learn to spell it correctly.
Finally, my language is what it is. I don't pretend to be otherwise. If you can't take it or don't like it, don't read it. By the way, to you or whomever else wishes to take potshots at me, at least man-up and own your opinions. State who you are if you have nothing to hide. If you truly believe the garbage you're spouting, claim it. If not, then carry on. I'll continue to have fun with you while staying true to who I am.
A Khatibloo-McClel lan

Miamisburg, OH

#29489 Nov 26, 2013
Bully wrote:
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So A Khatibloo, you are the new Athletic booster president? Gee, I think I'll not donate my time anymore. You are one scary, mean chick. Why would I volunteer for the boosters with a bully in charge? Puh....lease. How is volunteers goin for ya.
You still got those student athletes? I hope we have student academics at Springboro. You're one of those people that think being a ball player is better than being smart? some juveniles still think that being popular is more important than being smart as well. Well, hang in there that works out for some, until they grow up.
That's too funny. Bully? Seriously? Ok - you are entitled to your opinion. One scary, man chick...when I have to be, I guess. If my posts up to this point have scared you, then you have bigger issues, but I'll try not to be so scary, ok?:) With respect to the rest of your post...I'm not sure where you get the notion that I believe "being a ball player is more important than being smart?" I'm pretty sure I've never said that, and if you knew me, my family, what I stand for or believe in, you would know that statement is gibberish. As well, we have one of the highest levels of academic achievement among our student athletes, I believe. I would have to double check that statement; however, based on the number of athlete scholar awards announced during fall sports awards, I think it's a fair statement. Just to be crystal clear: athletic ability without the academics to back it up are useless in the long-haul. On that we would agree. However,
being smart and athletic are not mutually exclusive.
A Khatibloo-McClel lan

Miamisburg, OH

#29490 Nov 26, 2013
So funny wrote:
<quoted text>
Know what's funny you called someone a _____ for not spelling your name correctly but oops you did not spell Kohls correctly. It comes with an S _____. Jeesh! You and Bindeman are like two peas in a pod with your foul mouths. This is not the place to curse, lets be adults and all be tolerant. Oh that's right we are suppose to be tolerant of your point of view not the other way around, right?
I'll give you that - placed the apostrophe in the wrong place. More typo than anything. Not sure where your argument re: tolerance/intolerance comes into play. Pretty sure I've neither said nor implied anything of the kind. And since when is dumbass a foul word? Trust me, there are worse words I could have used for some of the craziness on this site. I thought I exercised restraint. But let's agree to disagree.(See, I am tolerant.):)
A Khatibloo-McClel lan

Miamisburg, OH

#29491 Nov 26, 2013
A Khatibloo-McClellan wrote:
<quoted text>
That's too funny. Bully? Seriously? Ok - you are entitled to your opinion. One scary, mean chick...when I have to be, I guess. If my posts up to this point have scared you, then you have bigger issues, but I'll try not to be so scary, ok?:) With respect to the rest of your post...I'm not sure where you get the notion that I believe "being a ball player is more important than being smart?" I'm pretty sure I've never said that, and if you knew me, my family, what I stand for or believe in, you would know that statement is gibberish. As well, we have one of the highest levels of academic achievement among our student athletes, I believe. I would have to double check that statement; however, based on the number of athlete scholar awards announced during fall sports awards, I think it's a fair statement. Just to be crystal clear: athletic ability without the academics to back it up are useless in the long-haul. On that we would agree. However,
being smart and athletic are not mutually exclusive.
Oops - typo *mean
Freudian slip

Springfield, OH

#29492 Nov 26, 2013
A Khatibloo-McClellan wrote:
<quoted text>
Oops - typo *mean
Wow! What a classic Freudian slip!
So, please tell us, what's it like going about your life as a transgender man-chick?
A Khatibloo-McClel lan

Miamisburg, OH

#29493 Nov 26, 2013
Freudian slip wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow! What a classic Freudian slip!
So, please tell us, what's it like going about your life as a transgender man-chick?
That's all you've got? Really? OK - If you want to trade insults, do it like a man and share your name instead of hiding behind a fake screen name & location. At least I'm woMAN enough to do so. You?
Jeff Webb

Springfield, OH

#29494 Nov 26, 2013
Hi, my name is Jeff Webb and I've lived in Springboro for quite some time and both my children attended Springboro their entire K-12 lives. They both received a good education at Springboro.

I stumbled upon this website and began wondering why everybody hides behind their made up forum names. If you are here to comment then tell everyone who you are. It would surely cut down on all the childish banter and name calling that appears to go on in this forum. If you would stop hiding behind your forum name and use your real name maybe some decent facts would come from here and we could all be educated a little on the topics at hand.

That's my challenge to all of you.

Have a great day.
A Khatibloo-McClel lan

Miamisburg, OH

#29495 Nov 26, 2013
Jeff Webb wrote:
Hi, my name is Jeff Webb and I've lived in Springboro for quite some time and both my children attended Springboro their entire K-12 lives. They both received a good education at Springboro.
I stumbled upon this website and began wondering why everybody hides behind their made up forum names. If you are here to comment then tell everyone who you are. It would surely cut down on all the childish banter and name calling that appears to go on in this forum. If you would stop hiding behind your forum name and use your real name maybe some decent facts would come from here and we could all be educated a little on the topics at hand.
That's my challenge to all of you.
Have a great day.
Jeff - nice to meet you. And couldn't agree more. With that said, I believe I'm going to exit this particular forum/exchange. Unfortunately, I let myself get sidetracked by the ridiculousness and sucked into responding to posts that do not really deserve a response. I'm always happy to engage in healthy debate, but I'm going to leave this churlishness to those who wish to continue to hide instead of engaging in (f)actual discourse. Thanks for being a voice of reason. Happy Thanksgiving.
TOPICS AT HAND

Springfield, OH

#29496 Nov 26, 2013
...in the direction of balance

Balance can be seen on scales, in sports and on
spreadsheets. There are times when balance is easy to see and define. There are times when we have to work to achieve balance.

For example, in our homes we try to find a perfect balance between work and family. Although we can define the ideal, we rarely meet it.

...Some will argue balance means putting opposing sides together on the board. But the picture of balance needs to be bigger than that. Board of
Education members are elected to represent the community in the school district.

The board is elected to balance the interests of students, parents, taxpayers, and employees. Many school boards lack balance because they are comprised of people with more allegiance to maintaining a specific establishment than to the greater cause.

For example: one of Mr. Malone's campaign pledges,
is to "re-define the Role of the Board Member"
to put the Re-emphasis on the Educator, with our
school tax dollars FIRST, leaving our Students First best interest left behind.

We can't just invest in Mr. Malone's status quo
business as usual, running our school board like he run our High School Union Shop, making up classes with scant demand to ensure employment of
educators whose skills were not in demand.
We must invest in a broader Reform-minded VISION
of Putting Students First, while maintaining fiscal integrity.

The Children's First budget is navigating us away from the repeated failures of the past. Now,
working in open, public meetings, asking tough questions, hearing all voices, using performance data and striving to find a balance that supports teachers, our community is achieving the goal to
put Children First in every decision!
TOPICS AT HAND

Springfield, OH

#29497 Nov 26, 2013
...in the direction of common sense

For too long, the Springboro district appeared to work very well, but it lacked clear direction. With no plan for textbooks, technology, capital improvements, buses and more, there was no larger
course charted for our schools. There was no common sense.

Educate Springboro's common sense approach does not strip the district of its traditions or diversity. It does not ignore it accomplishments and honors, including "Excellent with Distinction." It simply gives us a UNIFYING
direction that extends beyond any individual,
building, or year.

A year ago, our district faced a sort of "perfect
storm" with needs for everything from buses and books to technology and staffing coming to the surface at the same time.

Through good management and some good fortune, our once rudderless ship emerged from that storm with clear leadership and direction. Clearly, there
are still challenges, but we are moving in the direction of putting Children First....

and Springboro families and taxpaying homeowners extend Congratulations to our new board members-elect, Mr. Anderson, Mr. Malone, and Mr. Stuckey. Welcome Aboard! Now is the time to get on board with our school district's new reform minded vision of Children's First budget, ensuring a
quality classroom education for ALL our students while living within our means, with NO NEW TAXES.
Anonymity is bliss

Springfield, OH

#29498 Nov 26, 2013
Jeff Webb wrote:
Hi, my name is Jeff Webb and I've lived in Springboro for quite some time and both my children attended Springboro their entire K-12 lives. They both received a good education at Springboro.
I stumbled upon this website and began wondering why everybody hides behind their made up forum names. If you are here to comment then tell everyone who you are. It would surely cut down on all the childish banter and name calling that appears to go on in this forum. If you would stop hiding behind your forum name and use your real name maybe some decent facts would come from here and we could all be educated a little on the topics at hand.
That's my challenge to all of you.
Have a great day.
In the context of this topix forum, anonymity guarantees freedom of expession without danger of negative repercussions toward the poster or members of his/her family. If you in fact have had two children go through K-12 in Springboro's schools, then your family survived through the David Baker era.
Congratulations to you!

Truth be told, when it comes to district politics, things haven't changed all that much since Baker left, because Scott Maney's SEA continuously works to distort and manipulate the minds of district parents and their children in precisely the same manner as Baker.

BTW...If you'd like to know why it's not such a good idea to reveal your actual identity here on topix, I suggest you contact Tiff Carlisle.
Jeff Webb

Springfield, OH

#29499 Nov 26, 2013
Thanks "anonymity is bliss" I understand your point when it's used to discuss facts and decisions ( lately it seemed to have turned into a lot of name calling) And just for the record, I found the previous board members to have done a lot of good things ( although I still can't understand why someone who home schools their children would want to be on a school board) and I believe the new members will do so as well, so I'm one of those people in the middle.

Can you give me a little more detail around your comment...
"""because Scott Maney's SEA continuously works to distort and manipulate the minds of district parents and their children in precisely the same manner as Baker."""

So I can understand this better?
Common Sense Voters

Springfield, OH

#29500 Nov 26, 2013
Anonymity is bliss wrote:
<quoted text>
In the context of this topix forum, anonymity guarantees freedom of expession without danger of negative repercussions toward the poster or members of his/her family. If you in fact have had two children go through K-12 in Springboro's schools, then your family survived through the David Baker era.
Congratulations to you!
Truth be told, when it comes to district politics, things haven't changed all that much since Baker left, because Scott Maney's SEA continuously works to distort and manipulate the minds of district parents and their children in precisely the same manner as Baker.
BTW...If you'd like to know why it's not such a good idea to reveal your actual identity here on topix, I suggest you contact Tiff Carlisle.
Common Sense Voters agree that "things haven't changed all that much, inside the narrow tunnel vision of those running the union shop in our schools"... since Baker left....." and as long as forced unionism rules politics in Ohio, then Scott Maney's SEA continuous works to distort and manipulate the minds of district parents and their children will rule in Springboro, to the great detriment of our students first best interest.

The only thing that can stop the union teacher from indoctrinating our children's minds is the early intervention of the parents of those children.
Enlightenment moves slowly through the minds of parents, who find greater comfort in security that their child's teacher can do it all, and all they have to do is ensure increased wages and benefits for that teachers, and all will be well for their child's future.

But thanks to Educate Springboro, "things have changed throughout
the community,outside the doors of our excellent with distinction schools, and our school district's new reform minded philosophy of running our Education Business, putting students first while maintaining fiscal integrity, is affecting CHANGE in the attitude
of voters who believe over taxation of the taxpayers is wrong.

We believe in supporting the amount of necessary taxation required to do the job correctly.

We believe that excess tax money in any government body tends to inspire creative ways to spend that money.

We believe transparency, from budgeting to policy formulation to meetings, leads to good governance in all levels of government.

We believe in order to deliver the highest level of education we must raise the bar well past the state minimums and strive to challenge our children, parents and staff to reach higher. We can and must do better, our children's future depends on our actions today.

We believe in supporting the progress made in the past two years
and we are optimistic that our new board members believe in putting our students. It doesn't take more money, it takes accountability, and wanting the highest academic achievement and fiscal responsibility. That's where our current board members and our school district leaders stand... and that's what Springboro
voters will DEMAND of in service to our schools and community,
when Mr. Anderson, Mr. Malone, and Mr. Stuckey join with board members Mr. Petroni and Mr. Rigano, doing what's right for ALL
our school children and our community as a whole.

Children's First Budget Works! It's for our children, our community, and toward a better future for our schools!
Common Sense Voters

Springfield, OH

#29501 Nov 26, 2013
Common Sense Voters agree that "things haven't changed all that much, inside the narrow tunnel vision of those running the union shop in our schools"... since Baker left....." and as long as forced unionism rules politics in Ohio, then Scott Maney's SEA continuous works to distort and manipulate the minds of district parents and their children will rule in Springboro, to the great detriment of our students first best interest.

The only thing that can stop the union teacher from indoctrinating our children's minds is the early intervention of the parents of those children.
Enlightenment moves slowly through the minds of parents, who find greater comfort in security that their child's teacher can do it all, and all they have to do is ensure increased wages and benefits for that teachers, and all will be well for their child's future.

But thanks to Educate Springboro, "things have changed throughout
the community,outside the doors of our excellent with distinction schools, and our school district's new reform minded philosophy of running our Education Business, putting students first while maintaining fiscal integrity, is affecting CHANGE in the attitude
of voters who believe over taxation of the taxpayers is wrong.

We believe in supporting the amount of necessary taxation required to do the job correctly.

We believe that excess tax money in any government body tends to inspire creative ways to spend that money.

We believe transparency, from budgeting to policy formulation to meetings, leads to good governance in all levels of government.

We believe in order to deliver the highest level of education we must raise the bar well past the state minimums and strive to challenge our children, parents and staff to reach higher. We can and must do better, our children's future depends on our actions today.

We believe in supporting the progress made in the past two years and we are optimistic that our new board members believe in putting our students first. It doesn't take more money, it takes accountability, and wanting the highest academic achievement and fiscal responsibility. That's where our current board members and our school district leaders stand... and that's what Springboro voters will DEMAND of in service to our schools and community,
when Mr. Anderson, Mr. Malone, and Mr. Stuckey join with board members Mr. Petroni and Mr. Rigano, doing what's right for ALL
our school children and our community as a whole.

Children's First Budget Works! It's for our children, our community, and toward a better future for our schools!
Anonymity is bliss

Springfield, OH

#29502 Nov 26, 2013
Jeff Webb wrote:
Thanks "anonymity is bliss"Can you give me a little more detail around your comment...
"""because Scott Maney's SEA continuously works to distort and manipulate the minds of district parents and their children in precisely the same manner as Baker."""
So I can understand this better?
English verbiage is not capable of adequately describing the level nor types of manipulation the SEA regularly unleashes within Springboro schools. I recommend that you begin attending school board meetings. You'll see (and feel) exactly what I'm posting about. That is... you will, if you haven't already swallowed a glass of Maney's kool-ade.
Glass Houses

Springfield, OH

#29503 Nov 26, 2013
Anonymity is bliss wrote:
<quoted text>
English verbiage is not capable of adequately describing the level nor types of manipulation the SEA regularly unleashes within Springboro schools. I recommend that you begin attending school board meetings. You'll see (and feel) exactly what I'm posting about. That is... you will, if you haven't already swallowed a glass of Maney's kool-ade.
Jeff, this is a perfect example of the typical response you will get from staunch supporters of the current board (and the current board themselves). They make pretty strong accusations but are unable to support them. That is where they lose credibility with me. While I agree that perhaps you may want to start attending school board meetings, I disagree that you will see the behavior implied in her response. I haven't seen anything negative from the SEA or its president, and I've paid A LOT of attention. Honestly, the teachers of Springboro seem to be really good people.

Regarding your challenge to remove anonymity from these posts, I do agree. However, I choose to remain anonymous because with Kohls et. al. being on here I do fear repercussions for my children who are in the district. Sad but true.
River Styx

Miamisburg, OH

#29504 Nov 26, 2013
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Since: Nov 13

Location hidden

#29505 Nov 26, 2013
trying to figure out what the purpose of this forum is and what people here are trying to achieve can anyone explain
Amok

Springfield, OH

#29506 Nov 26, 2013
River Styx wrote:
trying to figure out what the purpose of this forum is and what people here are trying to achieve can anyone explain
Tea PARTIERS running amok!
Anonymity is bliss

Springfield, OH

#29507 Nov 26, 2013
Glass Houses wrote:
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Regarding your challenge to remove anonymity from these posts, I do agree. However, I choose to remain anonymous because with Kohls et. al. being on here I do fear repercussions for my children who are in the district. Sad but true.
Please reference page 1 of this thread, which dates back to February 2008. Notice how few posters elected to use their actual identity. During Feb 2008, was Kelly Kohls a member of Springboro school board? No!
Please, GH, try very hard not to be a hypocrite!

In February 2008, district parents would not dare post their actual names for fear that their children might be singled out in the classroom. Lots of names have changed around the district, but the politic haven't. You're absolutely correct in that such repercussions are still very possible today. However, to be fair, repercussions against students has nothing to do with anyone sitting on any given Springboro school board. Repercussions against students have everything to do with retaliatory measures by perhaps a couple of dozen or so generally p!&&ed off, burned out, overly-entitled, and/or mega-egotistical district TEACHERS.

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