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Our recommendation: Springboro voters should say 'yes' the first time to school levies

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No debate means No choice

Tipp City, OH

#28883 Nov 6, 2013
Not A Chance wrote:
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A lot better to be a legend in my own mind than to be out of my mind as "an insanely popular has been a principal who will win the most votes because of name recognition." Even so, Ron Malone still wasn't popular enough to come in first place.
Everything that's the right thing to do is not popular; everything that's popular is not the right thing to do.
Elections come and go; but doing the right thing based on one's own belief ensures that you will always be a winner (even if you do end up living among a majority of losers.)
Then maybe you should MOVE, it's a free country. I hear Alabama has houses for sale.
partisan

Dayton, OH

#28884 Nov 6, 2013
The Next Day wrote:
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I think there is a chance for the new BOE to be very successful. As much as I disliked much of what the majority of the BOE did or tried to do (Constitution class, charter school, illegal hiring practices, etc.), I did like their zero based budget approach and challenging the status quo, which if done right, can be a very valuable thing. They blew their chance to retain a majority by not challenging the status quo in an acceptable manner (tried to force their personal political views into policy) for a community organization and they way overreached with all of the other stuff they tried to change or enact (reminds me of Obama saying he won a mandate to do everything he said he'd do during the campaign). Sorry, it doesn't work that way.
Back to my opening comment, the fiscal approach taken by Petroni and Rigano, coupled with the perspectives and experiences of the three new BOE members, could provide a very productive dynamic that keeps the focus on delivering an ever increasing level of education in Springboro and in a manner that fits with the majority perspective of the community.
I was disappointed that none of Petroni, Rigano or Kohl's made themselves available or would provide, a statement to the media last night. Would have been a perfect time for them to have made a statement congratulating the winners, saying they looked forward to working with them for the good of the kids, etc. all in the spirit of unity. Instead we got crickets (which was deafening).
WHY would they make a statement....so the union backed candidates could "spike the ball" ? People are dancing in the street like it's "MAY DAY "...the darkest days are ahead of us with annual levies put on the ballot, like when the school Nazi Baker was in charge.
The Next Day

Springfield, OH

#28885 Nov 6, 2013
partisan wrote:
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WHY would they make a statement....so the union backed candidates could "spike the ball" ? People are dancing in the street like it's "MAY DAY "...the darkest days are ahead of us with annual levies put on the ballot, like when the school Nazi Baker was in charge.
It would be the professional and right thing to do. It's that simple.
Wow Wow Wow

Springfield, OH

#28886 Nov 6, 2013
I remember reading all of these posts on Topix and believing B/V would get 99% of the votes. What an extremely small portion of this community this board represents.

YOU GUYS STILL JUST DON'T GET IT!
Not Really

Springfield, OH

#28887 Nov 6, 2013
No debate means No choice wrote:
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Then maybe you should MOVE, it's a free country. I hear Alabama has houses for sale.
It's not really a Free country...

Just American the Beautiful, LAND OF THE FREE, Home of the Brave,
the Good, The Bad, The Ugly, and a Wide Diversity of others, just like YOU and Me!

May God Bless You... that IS a free thing! So Why Not
Pay it Forward?
Not Really

Springfield, OH

#28888 Nov 6, 2013
The Next Day wrote:
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It would be the professional and right thing to do. It's that simple.
Doing the right and professional thing is not that simple.

Mr. Malone couldn't do it throughout the past 13 years that he was employed as a professional in our school district.

Mr. Malone couldn't do the right and professional thing at the polling place yesterday, as he was seen interacting rudely with supporters of his political opposition.

Mr. Malone couldn't do the right and professional thing last year when he was offered a great new promotion to do the right and profressional thing putting our students first.

It is no simple thing at all expecting that Mr. Malone would do the right and professional thing IF the current boards members
extended their best wishes and congratulations.

After all, Mr. Malone feels "entitled" to this second place win, because after all, he has worked this Vote for Revenge against our children first since last March 2012, when his kids vowed they would soon be old enough to vote for this insanely popular
has been a princiPAL.

Mr. Malone and Mr. Stuckey are not in high school any more; and
serving the school community and the community of taxpayers will require a lot more than just a smile and have a good day.

Anyway, isn't the time to welcome the new guys aboard in January
when they "come on board?"
Not Really

Springfield, OH

#28889 Nov 6, 2013
Wow Wow Wow wrote:
I remember reading all of these posts on Topix and believing B/V would get 99% of the votes. What an extremely small portion of this community this board represents.
YOU GUYS STILL JUST DON'T GET IT!
Which Guys?

And What is it that they just don't get?

What an extremely small portion of intelligence your tunnel vision view represents.
partisan

Dayton, OH

#28890 Nov 6, 2013
The Next Day wrote:
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It would be the professional and right thing to do. It's that simple.
being professional was never the way of the MSA group led by Jobe..professional and Jobe is an oxymoron..
So glad I voted MSA

Springboro, OH

#28891 Nov 6, 2013
This small and small-minded little group can continue to blow each other while the rest of us move forward. Go ahead and stay in your tiny little world in which you think you're right and everyone else is wrong. The only people listening to all of you is, well, you. I voted for MSA, but I was not an active supporter. It is the nonsense of the current board majority and the idiocy of the likes of people on this page that forced me to vote for MSA. I'm glad I did. YOU HAVE NO POWER HERE. The new board will listen to you as it should, but you can no longer bully this community! Move to Texas so you can secede. Go ahead and judge this as "nuts", "clueless", or whatever because guess what? No one is listening to you!
Not A Chance

Springfield, OH

#28892 Nov 6, 2013
No debate means No choice wrote:
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Then maybe you should MOVE, it's a free country. I hear Alabama has houses for sale.
And why should I want to move when I feel so at home right here, way down low in the boro with elitests like you. Don't you know we all proudly share more in common than we have differences?
So glad I voted MSA

Springboro, OH

#28893 Nov 6, 2013
partisan wrote:
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being professional was never the way of the MSA group led by Jobe..professional and Jobe is an oxymoron..
Well, she OWNED you!
Just Swinging by

Springfield, OH

#28894 Nov 6, 2013
Time to move on wrote:
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In the Direction of Moving On...
What does yesterday's school board election result represent? It represents the final culmination of a 13 year popularity contest with Ron Malone obviously being the true victor. Educate Springboro's endorsement / signage is obviously the reason Anderson garnered the highest number of votes, NOT Weideman's private endorsement of Anderson.
MOVE ON!
You go on ahead in your own direction... while I just go
swinging by in the direction of my choice; probably two
different paths, so don't bother trying to push me ahead in
your direction...

To answer your question: yesterday's school board election represents four more years in the board room with Malone's
status quo controversy that has been so exaggerated by MSA’s supporters, to gain advantage and influence this election,
against the incumbent board members.
Heart Burn

Atlanta, GA

#28895 Nov 6, 2013
So glad I voted MSA wrote:
...The only people listening to all of you is, well, you.

....The new board will listen to you as it should...

...No one is listening to you!
You can't make up mind can ya?

First ya say no one is listening to us but us. Yet you do seem to know a lot of what is being said. Does that make you a poor listener, but still a listener?

Then you say the BOE will listen.

But then turn around and again say no one is listening.

I'm so confused. lol
Well Duh

Springfield, OH

#28896 Nov 6, 2013
So glad I voted MSA wrote:
This small and small-minded little group can continue to blow each other while the rest of us move forward. Go ahead and stay in your tiny little world in which you think you're right and everyone else is wrong. The only people listening to all of you is, well, you. I voted for MSA, but I was not an active supporter. It is the nonsense of the current board majority and the idiocy of the likes of people on this page that forced me to vote for MSA. I'm glad I did. YOU HAVE NO POWER HERE. The new board will listen to you as it should, but you can no longer bully this community! Move to Texas so you can secede. Go ahead and judge this as "nuts", "clueless", or whatever because guess what? No one is listening to you!
Well Duh, somebody's listening, and Well, Guess that would be YOU, too bad your listening FORCED you to vote for MSA -- do you have no control over your own "collective Threesome thinking?"
partisan

Dayton, OH

#28897 Nov 6, 2013
So glad I voted MSA wrote:
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Well, she OWNED you!
You are truly an idiot !
So glad I voted MSA

Springboro, OH

#28898 Nov 6, 2013
Heart Burn wrote:
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You can't make up mind can ya?
First ya say no one is listening to us but us. Yet you do seem to know a lot of what is being said. Does that make you a poor listener, but still a listener?
Then you say the BOE will listen.
But then turn around and again say no one is listening.
I'm so confused. lol
Ok, ya got me. CORRECTION: The board will let you speak, but NO ONE ONE IS LISTENING TO YOU ANY MORE!
So glad I voted MSA

Springboro, OH

#28899 Nov 6, 2013
Well Duh wrote:
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Well Duh, somebody's listening, and Well, Guess that would be YOU, too bad your listening FORCED you to vote for MSA -- do you have no control over your own "collective Threesome thinking?"
Ummm... Kind of like the collective Threesome thinking on our current laughing stock of a board?

And you're right - forced is not the right word. I voted for them willingly and happily.

Too bad you idiots have to resort to nitpicking to find something to argue about.
So glad I voted MSA

Springboro, OH

#28900 Nov 6, 2013
partisan wrote:
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You are truly an idiot !
I should feel right at home on this board then, shouldn't i?
partisan

Dayton, OH

#28901 Nov 6, 2013
So glad I voted MSA wrote:
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Ummm... Kind of like the collective Threesome thinking on our current laughing stock of a board?
And you're right - forced is not the right word. I voted for them willingly and happily.
Too bad you idiots have to resort to nitpicking to find something to argue about.
Seems like you are doing a good job of that on your own. Take a Xanax.
Oh My

Springfield, OH

#28902 Nov 6, 2013
So glad I voted MSA wrote:
This small and small-minded little group can continue to blow each other while the rest of us move forward. Go ahead and stay in your tiny little world in which you think you're right and everyone else is wrong. The only people listening to all of you is, well, you. I voted for MSA, but I was not an active supporter. It is the nonsense of the current board majority and the idiocy of the likes of people on this page that forced me to vote for MSA. I'm glad I did. YOU HAVE NO POWER HERE. The new board will listen to you as it should, but you can no longer bully this community! Move to Texas so you can secede. Go ahead and judge this as "nuts", "clueless", or whatever because guess what? No one is listening to you!
Extremists, radicals, fanatics! Sounds like a scary Halloween tale. Add in the words “tea party” and that’s supposed to make it a true horror story. Unfortunately, this is where some in our community have taken the dialog surrounding our school board and the upcoming election. It’s time for Toto to pull back the curtain and for us to elevate the conversation.

For the record, I do believe in limited government, fiscal responsibility, and free markets. I also believe that a free society requires virtuous people and that children need to learn these concepts. How confusing it must be for them to watch the behavior of adults and the tenor of the debate around our schools.

What has the school board done to invite this wrath? We are trying to change things in a few areas and the system would rather not change. Just like in Washington, opponents to change assign their targets what they believe are derogatory labels - "tea party", "extremist", "fanatic". However, if you were to ask what has been done that is "fanatical", you’ll get nothing more than generalities that have little basis in fact and are distorted to sound extreme.

If you asked me about the school board’s record over the last two years I would tell you about holding people accountable, uncovering embezzlement that had gone on for years, raising academic standards, increasing ACT scores, advocating for kids to take classes for college credit, restoring salary increases, controlling runaway medical insurance costs, balancing the budget (and giving the excess back), providing services for gifted students, reducing pay-to-play fees and increasing student participation, upgrading technology for online learning, instituting bring your own technology, reinstating high school busing, reinstating textbook purchases, reinstating a building maintenance program, and correcting numerous other deficiencies from years of administrative neglect.

You might recognize these things are good and are already implemented in other districts and ask why has it taken so long to address them in Springboro? I don’t know, but compared to the lethargic past, this has been a pretty “radical” two years. And to do all this while lowering taxes you would have to conclude these two years have been “fanatically” amazing and “extremely” successful.

At this point you might ask what this has to do with the upcoming school board election. This election will set a direction, backward or forward. The supporters of Malone and Stuckey tell you the current board is too “extreme”. Compared to the stagnation they are accustomed to, that is understandable. The other candidates are David Bitner and Kolton Vaughn. They are parents with young children enrolled in the district who are motivated to encourage our schools to continue to innovate, to offer more opportunities, and to keep children the board’s first priority.

On November 5th, we will make a decision. Will we choose based on the record, or the labels?

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