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I am a conservative in Springboro and find the signs offensive. Are you saying unions are bad? Are you saying my police and fire fighters are bad because they belong to the union? No I am not in a union and have never been in one.
I think people need to think before speaking or putting up signs. I will vote for anyone who does not support that rhetoric.
Belonging to a union does not mean that teachers and police and fire fighters are bad. It is bad that our CCFD assistant fire chief (who is a union member) chose to behave "badly" recently on this Topix blog by "stealing" an elected official's identity to post an untrue statement. It is bad that this same CCFD assistant fire chief is also a member of our Springboro Schools safety sub committee (and obviously someone in which our entire community
trusted to never behave badly). I do think it is bad when party loyalty to unionism is so empowering to union members that good judgement is lost, and the people's best interest is not served.

The OEA members are some of the worst people we have ever had to deal with as to radical social behavior. They have the destruction of America in their minds and they are terrible people because their ideology makes them corrosive. They openly use children to execute their maniacal plans for social progressive changes at the expense of society, and this defines their essence. Wars are won by taking away from the other side the will to continue fighting. The OEA directly attacks good citizens with wicked words of war (psychological warfare) hoping to rob them of their will to stand opposed to the union's progressive agenda;
because to the OEA radicals, they ARE at war with taxpayers.
Our schools and community need leaders who will attack out of control labor costs and unnecessary government spending; and protect taxpayers hard earned tax dollars while keeping our
future stable and debt-free for our children and grandchildren.
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Conservative Voice wrote:
I am a conservative in Springboro and find the signs offensive. Are you saying unions are bad? Are you saying my police and fire fighters are bad because they belong to the union? No I am not in a union and have never been in one.
I think people need to think before speaking or putting up signs. I will vote for anyone who does not support that rhetoric.
The signs ask a simple question:

How will a UNION CONTROLLED school board spend your TAX DOLLARS ?

Pray tell what is offensive about that question?

Judging from your inferences I would say bad thoughts immediately crept into your mind, but my sign did not put those prejudices in your subconscious. Those were formed by your own life experiences and learning.
Doug Wiedeman

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From the blog of David Bowman in support of his candidates, Mr. Malone and Mr. Stuckey

"Read up, review the facts, and be prepared to counter the distortions and lies that are surely headed to your inbox, your mailbox, and even in the little rock filled plastic baggies containing misleading propaganda that will surely be hitting your front lawn in the days ahead. "

Let us ask Mr Bowman, Mr Malone, or Mr. Stuckey how they counter facts gleaned from the Ohio Department of Education regarding our students performance on the Ohio Achievement Assessment tests.

http://education.ohio.gov/getattachment/Topic...

Class of 2018

7th Grade 2012-2013

Ohio Achievement Assessment Tests Results.
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Math .......50 possible points on the test
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State Rating System and distribution of students for the 7th grade
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Limited.......... 14 Students
Limited.......... 18% was the Average score for this group
Limited..........definition--0 -10 correct answers =(0-20% correct)
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Basic..........27 Students
Basic ..........28% was the Average score for this group
Basic..........definition--11 - 16 correct answers =(22-32% correct)
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Proficient........176 Students
Proficient........46% was the Average score for this group
Proficient.......definition--1 7-28 correct answers =(34-56% correct)
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Accelerated.....143 Students
Accelerated.....64% was the Average score for this group
Accelerated.....definition--29 -35 correct answers =(58-70% correct)
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Advanced........148 Students
Advanced........80% was the Average score for this group
Advanced........definition--36 -50 correct answers =(72-100% correct)
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Applying Mr. Malone's same grading system used for assigning percentages to grades earned in the college credit program (PSEO)
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F.....Below 62.99% correct answers.......282 Students
Percentage of Students.....56% receiving F
D..... 63%- 74.99% correct answers......108 Students
Percentage of Students.....21% receiving D
C......75%- 84.99% correct answers........77 Students
Percentage of Students.....16% receiving C
B..... 85%- 92.99% correct answers........34 Students
Percentage of Students.....7% receiving B
A..... 93% correct answers and above.....1 Students
Percentage of Students....0% receiving A

A more honest assessment of the children's level of knowledge reveals that we have:

PASSING 75% or better - 23%

FAILING 74% or lower - 77%

Ask Mr. Bowman which part of the above is a distortion, a lie, or propaganda?
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Conservative Voice wrote:
I am a conservative in Springboro and find the signs offensive. Are you saying unions are bad? Are you saying my police and fire fighters are bad because they belong to the union? No I am not in a union and have never been in one.
I think people need to think before speaking or putting up signs. I will vote for anyone who does not support that rhetoric.
LOL, your a conservative? Right.

It's called freedom of speech. Deal with it.
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Doug Wiedeman wrote:
From the blog of David Bowman in support of his candidates, Mr. Malone and Mr. Stuckey
"Read up, review the facts, and be prepared to counter the distortions and lies that are surely headed to your inbox, your mailbox, and even in the little rock filled plastic baggies containing misleading propaganda that will surely be hitting your front lawn in the days ahead..."
I'd like Mr Bowman, instead of worrying about negatives, to actually read up, review the facts, and give us a couple of objective reasons to vote for his candidates.

I mean what are they running on? What is it that they want to do to objectively better the district and the kids...other than "take back their board"

Last election cycle the cry from the nattering neybobs was Petroni and Rigano had no kids in the system. That they had conflicts of interest among other silly non issues.

This election cycle the same people are supporting 3 men that have no kids in they system and definite agendas with conflicts of interest. Yet Bowman says to review the facts and read up in order to support his candidates. From what I have read is Malone and Stuckey are entrenched in the SEA. Malones wife and daughter are SEA dues paying members. Elect the MSA ticket and we will have 5 men on the BOA and not a one of them with kids in the system. Is that what Mr Bowman really wants?

Please, someone tell me,What are they running on? Hey Mr Bowman, don't tell me why not to vote for someone else, tell me why I should vote for the people you support. Cuz for whatever reason, no else can tell me why I should vote for them...I just hear more reasons not to vote for them. What are the "distortions, lies and propaganda" that you believe youll find coming your way?

Bittner and Vaughn...Kids in the system, no agendas, no conflicts of interest. Working for our kids and their kids.
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Bitner and Vaughn...Kids in the system, no agendas, no conflicts of interest. Working for our kids and their kids.
Bitner and Vaughn...Kids in the system, no agendas, no conflicts of interest. Working for our kids and their kids.
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Doug Wiedeman wrote:
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The signs were not illegally placed.
The question is a rather salient one:
How will a UNION CONTROLLED school board spend your TAX DOLLARS?
I suppose some folks would rather not have others exposed to such thinking, but what exactly was inaccurate about that sign?
Presiding over 12 years of looting of over $1,000,000 of the booster money while head of the high school and then fighting against necessary reforms to combat this sort of behavior in the future certainly is not many people's way of gaining trust or honor. Maybe in Mr. Malone's tiny part of the world that makes sense, but I doubt it works elsewhere.
Knowingly dumbing down the curriculum of the high school in the face of NO RESEARCH OR DATA that supports that course of action as beneficial to the students is not demonstrating either leadership nor ethics. When will Mr. Malone explain to us how not providing a more challenging educational atmosphere was good for our children and their future?
Mr. Wiedeman,

Thank you so much for what you're doing. There is absolutely nothing inaccurate about the wording you selected for the signage. If you will, place more of this signage in right-of-ways at the entrances of Brookside, and I'll see that it's videomonitored in order to help deter vandalism or theft.
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Who is running against Anderson, Stuckey, and Malone? Whoever they are, they have my vote!:-)
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Concerned Clearcreek Mom wrote:
Who is running against Anderson, Stuckey, and Malone? Whoever they are, they have my vote!:-)
Just this morning, at our neighborhood school bus stop, concerned parents and citizens were asking the same question!

We do have two "Students First/Responsibile Budgeting"
parents running for school board election November 5, 2013,
and it is exciting to introduce David Bitner and Kolton Vaughn, who should be our next elected BOE representatives!
Our family had opportunity to meet David Bitner and Kolton Vaughn
(and their wonderful famililes!) and we are greatly encouraged and strongly believe that their optomistic, reform minded leadership is the RIGHT fit for our students' 21st Century Classroom Education.
Springboro families and taxpaying homeowners need elected officials who are all about fiscal responsibility and quality classroom education, with priority of keeping our great schools and community both SAFE and AFFORDABLE.
VOTE BITNER and VAUGHN - November 5, 2013
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Concerned Clearcreek Mom wrote:
Who is running against Anderson, Stuckey, and Malone? Whoever they are, they have my vote!:-)
http://supportborostudents.com/

Elect
David Bitner
and
Kolton Vaughn
Springboro BOE

Vote Tues. November 5th

http://supportborostudents.com/
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Doug Wiedeman wrote:
From the blog of David Bowman in support of his candidates, Mr. Malone and Mr. Stuckey
"Read up, review the facts, and be prepared to counter the distortions and lies that are surely headed to your inbox, your mailbox, and even in the little rock filled plastic baggies containing misleading propaganda that will surely be hitting your front lawn in the days ahead. "
Wow, regarding Bowman's last blog installment...talk about distortions and lies.
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Just a Reminder...

A vote for ED WADE or DALE LAMB is a vote for UNETHICAL GOVERNMENT.

Now is your chance to send a CLEAR message.

A message that we no longer trust you and it is time to leave office.

30 years in office to way too long.
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THE TRIAL DATE IS AFTER THE ELECTIONS.

Lawsuit revived in on Ohio township's meetings

LEBANON, Ohio A lawsuit challenging a township's longstanding practice of holding informal gatherings before official public meetings is headed back to a southwest Ohio court.

An Ohio 12th District Court of Appeals judge ruled recently that the lawsuit was dismissed prematurely by a Warren County court. He sent it back to resolve conflicting testimony on whether Clearcreek Township trustees are violating state open meetings law.

Judge Robert Ringland wrote that were too many unanswered questions, including whether the "pre-meeting meetings were prearranged, what the purpose of the meetings was and whether deliberations took place therein." Township officials defend the practice of having informal gatherings in the administrator's office ahead of the twice-monthly township meetings.

The lawsuit filed by a township resident, Jack Chrisman, says the "pre-meeting meetings" are illegal because public business is discussed by a trustee majority. Chrisman says in the lawsuit that the there is no public notice of the meetings, the public isn't invited, and there is no report made on what was discussed.

Chrisman's lawyer, Curt Hartman, said the three trustees have taken pre-meeting polls in their sessions.

"They pull things off the agenda if they think there will be disputes," Hartman said. "They want to have a uniform public face."

Dennis Hetzel, executive director of the Ohio Newspaper Association, thinks the township practice is questionable.

"When they have these information-gathering sessions, if they are discussing stuff, I think you can argue that they are deliberating," Hetzel said. "If they start asking questions or discussing, they have moved over from information-gathering to deliberating."

Lawyers are meeting NOW in OCTOBER for a NOVEMBER trial.

TIME TO TELL WADE AND LAMB TO STOP RUNNING FOR OFFICE.

TIME TO TELL PICKETT AND WILHELM TO MOVE ON.

TIME TO GET A REAL FIRE CHIEF
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tellthetruth wrote:
THE TRIAL DATE IS AFTER THE ELECTIONS.
Lawsuit revived in on Ohio township's meetings
LEBANON, Ohio A lawsuit challenging a township's longstanding practice of holding informal gatherings before official public meetings is headed back to a southwest Ohio court.
An Ohio 12th District Court of Appeals judge ruled recently that the lawsuit was dismissed prematurely by a Warren County court. He sent it back to resolve conflicting testimony on whether Clearcreek Township trustees are violating state open meetings law.
Judge Robert Ringland wrote that were too many unanswered questions, including whether the "pre-meeting meetings were prearranged, what the purpose of the meetings was and whether deliberations took place therein." Township officials defend the practice of having informal gatherings in the administrator's office ahead of the twice-monthly township meetings.
The lawsuit filed by a township resident, Jack Chrisman, says the "pre-meeting meetings" are illegal because public business is discussed by a trustee majority. Chrisman says in the lawsuit that the there is no public notice of the meetings, the public isn't invited, and there is no report made on what was discussed.
Chrisman's lawyer, Curt Hartman, said the three trustees have taken pre-meeting polls in their sessions.
"They pull things off the agenda if they think there will be disputes," Hartman said. "They want to have a uniform public face."
Dennis Hetzel, executive director of the Ohio Newspaper Association, thinks the township practice is questionable.
"When they have these information-gathering sessions, if they are discussing stuff, I think you can argue that they are deliberating," Hetzel said. "If they start asking questions or discussing, they have moved over from information-gathering to deliberating."
Lawyers are meeting NOW in OCTOBER for a NOVEMBER trial.
TIME TO TELL WADE AND LAMB TO STOP RUNNING FOR OFFICE.
TIME TO TELL PICKETT AND WILHELM TO MOVE ON.
TIME TO GET A REAL FIRE CHIEF
Pre-determination was blantantly obvious for local citizens who attended a trustee meeting late this past summer. During this meeting the Twp trustees "voted" to delay another attempt at a fire levy until May 2014 so as to not put into further jeopardy the chance of passage of Springboro Schools renewal levy (which, of course, is this coming November 5th).
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From the blog of David Bowman in support of his candidates, Mr. Malone and Mr. Stuckey

"Read up, review the facts, and be prepared to counter the distortions and lies that are surely headed to your inbox, your mailbox, and even in the little rock filled plastic baggies containing misleading propaganda that will surely be hitting your front lawn in the days ahead. "

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Inquiring minds, who are well informed of the FACTS,and fully supportive of the good work being done by our current board, question whether or not Mr. Bowman has crossed the line of "political rhetoric" and is now flinging false accusations every which a way, discrediting our BOE elected officials and with NO proof, whatsoever, nor valid references to back up his wild ravings and rantings.

Why in the world would Springboro parent, David Bowman, publish outrageous lies against our school board members, falsely accusing (among other lies) that: "this board has divided our community and created chaos with an agenda that has included....

Radical Political Activism....?
(When and where did that happen.....?)

And by what authority does one Springboro parent, David Bowman, have to speak for "our community"
in launching these false accusations against our board members who are doing what's right for our school district and community?
(Did David Bowman hold an election for ALL 12,000 households in OUR community and then tally up the VOTES?)

As a matter of record, I am a community member, and I know many other community members; and none of the community members that I know think that "this board has divided our community and created chaos..."

What a pity that there isn't a law to shine light into the dark corners of Mr. Bowman's mind, leading him in the direction of truth...
Doug Wiedeman

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From the blog of David Bowman in support of his candidates, Mr. Malone and Mr. Stuckey

"Read up, review the facts, and be prepared to counter the distortions and lies that are surely headed to your inbox, your mailbox, and even in the little rock filled plastic baggies containing misleading propaganda that will surely be hitting your front lawn in the days ahead. "
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Mr. Bowman is perfectly within his rights to cast whatever aspersions he deems fit for public consumption. I will defend those rights as dearly as I would defend my own. Only then do we truly enjoy freedom of speech.

By the same token I am also free to dispute Mr. Bowman's version of the truth with just as much vitriol as he. I, however, choose to deal in documented facts and figures. We will let an educated populace decide the relative merits of each of our particular cases.

Facts and figures supporting a point of view or rhetorical vitriol sewing the whirlwind?

Intelligent people generally will make the correct decision if provided with the honest information and background.

I resolve to pursue the former with enough facts, figures, background information, public reports, and honest reporting of what I have discovered.

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it is interesting how people see the internet as truth we have seen posters call for people to lose there jobs when it is common knowldge they are not running (lamb) or or retiring (pickett) stating to vote for a plank of candidateswith a public history on anti children or put validity in a reporter that has a proen track record of pro union press spin the truth is out ther LOOK FOR IT this is the reason the US govt is closed when you piont your finger at someone 43 fingers are pointing at you
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Mr. Wiedeman,
Thank you so much for what you're doing. There is absolutely nothing inaccurate about the wording you selected for the signage. If you will, place more of this signage in right-of-ways at the entrances of Brookside, and I'll see that it's videomonitored in order to help deter vandalism or theft.
Political signs are not permitted in the Right-of-Ways. Private property yes. Public property no (Right of way is public property). That goes for any political signs as far as I know.
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I'd like Mr Bowman, instead of worrying about negatives, to actually read up, review the facts, and give us a couple of objective reasons to vote for his candidates.
I mean what are they running on? What is it that they want to do to objectively better the district and the kids...other than "take back their board"
Last election cycle the cry from the nattering neybobs was Petroni and Rigano had no kids in the system. That they had conflicts of interest among other silly non issues.
This election cycle the same people are supporting 3 men that have no kids in they system and definite agendas with conflicts of interest. Yet Bowman says to review the facts and read up in order to support his candidates. From what I have read is Malone and Stuckey are entrenched in the SEA. Malones wife and daughter are SEA dues paying members. Elect the MSA ticket and we will have 5 men on the BOA and not a one of them with kids in the system. Is that what Mr Bowman really wants?
Please, someone tell me,What are they running on? Hey Mr Bowman, don't tell me why not to vote for someone else, tell me why I should vote for the people you support. Cuz for whatever reason, no else can tell me why I should vote for them...I just hear more reasons not to vote for them. What are the "distortions, lies and propaganda" that you believe youll find coming your way?
Bittner and Vaughn...Kids in the system, no agendas, no conflicts of interest. Working for our kids and their kids.
What are the conflicts of interest for Malone, Stuckey and Anderson?
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Political signs are not permitted in the Right-of-Ways. Private property yes. Public property no (Right of way is public property). That goes for any political signs as far as I know.
Political signs are not permitted by union activists even on private property, in many of our neighborhoods (unless they are stamped with the oppressive unionism label). Not a chance! Political signs, expressing our free speech rights, that oppose forced unionism are uprooted, destroyed, or thrown into tree tops on private property! Union members seek to intimidate their neighbors with reminders that union members don't like our expressions of free speech, unless it is freely lavished upon our wonderful, life-saving, self sacrificing union teachers, firefighters, and local police officers.
Union activists in our local school district, and throughout our city and township ignore the unwritten law of common decency of
acceptable behavior toward their neighbors; as they continue spreading lies; ignoring proven documented facts, in their insanely emotional fury of personal attacks to discredit, distort, and demonize the character of good citizens; and their amazing accomplishments for good in our schools and community.
There's only ONE effective way to communicate with our SEA union activists; and that is, go to the polls on November 5, 2013, and vote OUT of our students education the negative influence of union school board candidates, Ron Malone and David Stuckey.

Our Springboro School Board Candidates DAVID BITNER and KOLTON VAUGHN are the next school board representatives that we need elected on November 5, 2013.

Our Springboro School Board Candidates DAVID BITNER and KOLTON VAUGHN are the ONLY two school board candidates who are PARENTS REPRESENTING PARENTS and the ONLY two school board candidates who are already on board with our winning agenda of Students First/
Responsible Budgeting.

Spread the Good News! VOTE for DAVID BITNER and KOLTON VAUGHN on November 5, 2013!

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