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goofball liberal

Cleveland, OH

#27607 Sep 28, 2013
motorvoter wrote:
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Just how much time should a biology class cater to the view of certain students that dinosaurs existed with humans, and that the Earth is 6000 years old.
I can ensure you that there are students in every biology class at Springboro High School who believe that.
maney please seek help
motorvoter

Cincinnati, OH

#27608 Sep 28, 2013
goofball liberal wrote:
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maney please seek help
Who or what is maney?
Just Asking

Akron, OH

#27609 Sep 28, 2013
motorvoter wrote:
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Just how much time should a biology class cater to the view of certain students that dinosaurs existed with humans, and that the Earth is 6000 years old.
I can ensure you that there are students in every biology class at Springboro High School who believe that.
Isn't religion in the context of accurate historical events the subject of the constitution class being offered in its original intent? Did the discussion of the constitution class using taxpayer funded building facilities have anything to do with the biology class?
Wasn't this "constitution class" open to all who CHOSE to attend, purchase the materials required, study and discuss the materials, and then offer feedback on whether or not the curriculum should be APPROVED?
Our current board policy committee should be commended for launching this thorough review of proposed tax-payer funded classroom curriculum; and for raising awareness among our parents and community members of the importance of teaching historical accuracy in our classroom curriculum.
Why all the resistance from the S-U-R-E liberal political opposition to our reform minded board representatives leadership?
Isn't the real motive for S-U-R-E to distort, discredit, and personally attack our reform minded school board representatives; in efforts for the union to re-instate the status quo business as usual failing agenda of collective union school board candidates Ron Malone-David Stuckey-Charles Anderson?
motorvoter

Cincinnati, OH

#27610 Sep 28, 2013
Just Asking wrote:
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Our current board policy committee should be commended for launching this thorough review of proposed tax-payer funded classroom curriculum; and for raising awareness among our parents and community members of the importance of teaching historical accuracy in our classroom curriculum.?
For this purpose (and their actions were not clearly limited to this purpose), they chose a radical extremist group that pushes the theory that the Bush Administration blew up the World Trade Center.

If you don't think that 19 Arab Muslims, on the orders of bin Laden, perpetrated 911, then you're just dumb.
Waste Watchers

Akron, OH

#27611 Sep 28, 2013
motorvoter wrote:
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Who or what is maney?
OK - let's play your silly what's in a name game!

Mr. Scott Maney is the President of the Springboro Education Association. Mr. Maney was the one who quickly called the DDN to report last year that his staff of union employees were not happy with building principal Ron Malone being offered a promotion to district offices. You see, Mr. Malone worked closely to put emphasis first on the value of the union teacher; by proposing a large quantity of courses to increase union teacher pay; but at the expense of students first quality educational courses.
(All this was learned when the WC ESC school reports, which cost taxpayers approximately $8000, were found hidden in the principal's desk drawer). No doubt, it would have been a financial loss to the SEA business profits to lose such a valuable "inside man" such as Ron Malone. Now that Mr. Malone is retired from the "business" he has joined with retired school teacher David Stuckey and former school board member Charles Anderson campaigning to gain control of the board, for Mr. Maney, in the November 2013 election.

Scott Maney was recently quoted in the Dayton Daily News saying that TOPIX was a cancer in Springboro! Rumor has it that Scott Maney, President of the Springboro Education Association, has his own little Unionism Party Headquarters set up in a location separate from the school district offices. Anyone know if that is true?
motorvoter

Cincinnati, OH

#27612 Sep 28, 2013
Waste Watchers wrote:
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Scott Maney was recently quoted in the Dayton Daily News saying that TOPIX was a cancer in Springboro! Rumor has it that Scott Maney, President of the Springboro Education Association, has his own little Unionism Party Headquarters set up in a location separate from the school district offices. Anyone know if that is true?
Oh, that Maney. I hear he's a member of the Muslim Brotherhood and New Black Panthers and recently took part in the Kenya mall shooting. He also wants to take your guns away with that U.N. resolution. And he's an illegal immigrant.

Stop Maney!
Uno Voter

Akron, OH

#27613 Sep 28, 2013
motorvoter wrote:
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For this purpose (and their actions were not clearly limited to this purpose), they chose a radical extremist group that pushes the theory that the Bush Administration blew up the World Trade Center.
If you don't think that 19 Arab Muslims, on the orders of bin Laden, perpetrated 911, then you're just dumb.
No, I am not just dumb, just because I may or may not agree with your points of view. And, if you cannot listen to and discuss differing points of view, without embracing them as your own,
then neither are you just dumb....You Are Just Uneducated!

There is no place in our students classrooms for professional educators who are uneducated to the values of RESPECTING others, whose VALUES may differ from their own.
motorvoter

Cincinnati, OH

#27614 Sep 28, 2013
Uno Voter wrote:
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No, I am not just dumb, just because I may or may not agree with your points of view. And, if you cannot listen to and discuss differing points of view, without embracing them as your own,
then neither are you just dumb....You Are Just Uneducated!
There is no place in our students classrooms for professional educators who are uneducated to the values of RESPECTING others, whose VALUES may differ from their own.
Well, it's very clear to me that bin Laden ordered 19 Arab Muslims to perpetrate 911. Apparently you and the Institute on the Constitution have your doubts.
Uno Voter

Akron, OH

#27615 Sep 28, 2013
motorvoter wrote:
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Oh, that Maney. I hear he's a member of the Muslim Brotherhood and New Black Panthers and recently took part in the Kenya mall shooting. He also wants to take your guns away with that U.N. resolution. And he's an illegal immigrant.
Stop Maney!
...now there you go again, motorvoter... trying to be funny but just sounding DUMB! I disagree with your distortions of "oh that Maney!" But totally agree that we should all head to polls on November 5 and Stop Maney from gaining control of our school tax dollars! Just Say No to union first status quo school board candidates, Ron Malone, David Stuckey, Charles Anderson.
These THREE candidates offer ONE collective voice speaking on behalf of future financial gain for the Springboro Education Association, while leaving our Students First best interes left behind....Where is the Responsibility to our 21st century education in the agenda of union school board candidates Ron Malone, David Stuckey, Charles Anderson?
Uno Voter

Akron, OH

#27616 Sep 28, 2013
motorvoter wrote:
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Well, it's very clear to me that bin Laden ordered 19 Arab Muslims to perpetrate 911. Apparently you and the Institute on the Constitution have your doubts.
In short, keep in mind, motorvoter, that each one of us sees CLEARLY ... through the clear lens of our own chosen beliefs and values.
There is no place in free discussions for Apparently doubting what others do or do not see...
trajectory

Cleveland, OH

#27617 Sep 28, 2013
Waste Watchers wrote:
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OK - let's play your silly what's in a name game!
Mr. Scott Maney is the President of the Springboro Education Association. Mr. Maney was the one who quickly called the DDN to report last year that his staff of union employees were not happy with building principal Ron Malone being offered a promotion to district offices. You see, Mr. Malone worked closely to put emphasis first on the value of the union teacher; by proposing a large quantity of courses to increase union teacher pay; but at the expense of students first quality educational courses.
(All this was learned when the WC ESC school reports, which cost taxpayers approximately $8000, were found hidden in the principal's desk drawer). No doubt, it would have been a financial loss to the SEA business profits to lose such a valuable "inside man" such as Ron Malone. Now that Mr. Malone is retired from the "business" he has joined with retired school teacher David Stuckey and former school board member Charles Anderson campaigning to gain control of the board, for Mr. Maney, in the November 2013 election.
Scott Maney was recently quoted in the Dayton Daily News saying that TOPIX was a cancer in Springboro! Rumor has it that Scott Maney, President of the Springboro Education Association, has his own little Unionism Party Headquarters set up in a location separate from the school district offices. Anyone know if that is true?
50 S. Main St.

Located in Olde Springboro, about a stone's throw across the street from Spreedway...not that I'm implying that anyone has any business throwing anything from Speedway's parking lot.
Remember in November

Akron, OH

#27618 Sep 29, 2013
the stink in distinction wrote:
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It is a great feeling to be recognized as excellent, isn’t it? It just feels wonderful to know that your hard work has paid off, that you have produced something of outstanding quality or superior merit, and that you are remarkably good at what you do, extraordinary, in fact.
Everyone wants to feel as if they produce excellent work. Everyone wants their efforts to merit a trophy, a medal, or an A+ on a report card. But the truth is, not all efforts produce excellent results.
In the 2010-2011 school year, 352 school districts received a ranking of “excellent” or “excellent with distinction”, an increase from 297 districts in 2009-2010 – almost 58% of all districts in Ohio. Is it really possible that a MAJORITY of districts in Ohio are producing students who perform at extraordinary levels? As it turns out, the answer is a simple and resounding NO. Although there are indeed some high-performing districts in Ohio, the standards used to grade districts in this state are shockingly low. The more one analyzes what it takes to be an “excellent” district, the clearer it becomes that something is horribly wrong with Ohio’s standards for excellence.
The growth of excellent / excellent with distinction in Ohio
2002-2003 85 districts
2003-2004 117 districts
2004-2005 111 districts
2005-2006 192 districts
2006-2007 139 districts
2007-2008 226 districts
2008-2009 270 districts
2009-2010 296 districts
2010-2011 352 districts
Do the levels of student performance growth in Ohio warrant a quadrupling of the number of districts in the excellent category over the last decade? Or has the state merely manipulated the accountability system to swell the numbers of “excellent” districts? The answer is likely the latter...
...Districts love to point to their fine report card rating as evidence of high performance. Real estate agents love to tout those excellent ratings as proof that a home in a community is a good value. But at some point, Ohioans may want to take a serious look at what is really happening in their school districts. Parents and taxpayers need to know that “excellent” may not be as advertised. It is a disservice to the general public, to parents, and especially to children when we pretend that more and more districts are doing a stellar job, when they are not...Policymakers must acknowledge that there are serious flaws in an evaluation system that says a majority of districts are doing excellent work when all the data comparing Ohio students nationally and internationally paint a very different picture...
Grading on a Curve (excerpts)
The Illusion of Excellence in Ohio’s Schools
Ann E. Sheldon & Colleen D. Grady
Ohio Association for Gifted Children
Nov. 2011
http://www.oagc.com/files/OAGC_Grading_On_A_C...
Is it true that our status quo leadership of "union first" previous school district leaders has now delivered a current report card grade of D for our Springboro Schools gifted?
People in this community should ask ourselves if we want to go back to the good old boy days, re-instating the self-interest stink in our excellent with distinction schools.
Remember in November

Akron, OH

#27619 Sep 29, 2013
Elections come and go... and even insane popularity loses its glow;
but the influence of good leaders,
doing what's right for our school children and communiity, is long lasting and continues to grow.....

By Ben Velderman
EAGnews.org
SPRINGBORO, Ohio – When Gene Lolli recently announced that he will resign as Springboro Community City Schools’ superintendent at the end of the school year, he made it clear it was due to philosophical differences with several school board members.

, when your philosophy doesn’t match that of the majority of the members of the board of education, then it’s time to move on,” Lolli told the local newspaper.
Lolli’s comments weren’t surprising. Members of Springboro’s education establishment – administrators, union leaders and board officials – have been complaining about the district’s new philosophy for the past couple of years.
Springboro’s old philosophy was like that of many public school districts: Teachers were given annual “step” raises and administrators received nice salary perks, whether there was money in the district’s budget or not. If the district couldn’t afford it, voters were expected to approve tax hikes to pay for it all, or accept cuts to student services.
That old “adults first” approach was on full display in 2009, when district officials chose to address their financial woes by eliminating busing for high school students, laying off 30 district employees, and raising pay-to-play fees for after school activities.
Not long after that, Kelly Kohls, a mother of five and a former college professor, joined the Springboro school board and a new “children first” philosophy began to emerge.
Immediately upon joining the board, Kohls began challenging district orthodoxy – especially on spending decisions – to ensure the needs of students were being given priority.
“We say we’re here for the children,” Kohls tells EAGnews.“I’ve just been asking how these (spending) decisions match the rhetoric.”
Kohls’ approach of challenging the “business as usual” mindset has proven very effective. The district now requires employees to contribute more for their health insurance plans. Backdoor bonuses for administrators have been eliminated, annual teacher “step” raises have been frozen, and a variety of spending cuts have been implemented.
The results are evident in the school’s financial trajectory. A few years ago the district was projecting a $30 million deficit. Today it’s projecting a $4 million surplus, even though the community is still reeling from the weak economy, which has caused a 400 percent increase in the number of people needing assistance from the local food bank, according to Kohls.
Kohls’ self-described “kids first” approach has caused a lot of heartburn among Springboro’s school establishment. During her brief tenure on the board, district officials have publicly blamed Kohls for the defeat of a $6 million school levy, the departures of a superintendent, a district treasurer, a school board president and the large turnover in school administrators.
Members of the Springboro Education Association – the local teachers union – use school board meetings to excoriate Kohls for opposing teacher pay raises and proposing budget cuts.
“Some people get so entrenched in the old philosophy that it’s tough to get them to think whether or not something is going to help the kids,” Kohls says of the criticism.“We need a different way of thinking.”
Voters seem to agree. Last November, they elected two of Kohls’ allies, giving fiscal conservatives control of the five-member school board, which began its current term in January.
Remember in November

Akron, OH

#27620 Sep 29, 2013
In the May 2013 issue of Springboro Life magazine, editor Jill Kelley conducted a two page interview with Ron Malone, who has been a SHS principal for the PAST 13 years. During the interview, the retiring principal relfected on his PAST 41 years as professional educator, stating that the district is going through a lot of internal changes and changes at the state level. Mr. Malone states in the Springboro Life magazine interview:
"I've always felt that the key to a person's effectivess is how they fit within an organizational philosophy. This changes over time. I'm not sure the fit is as good now as when I came to Springboro in 2000. My strengths and the board's expectations of my position do not match as well as I would like."

People in this community should ask ourselves:
... if Mr. Malone conceded in May 2013, that his strengths in educational expertise of the past 41 years, does not fit with the current board-approved agenda of a quality 21st century classroom education, while living within the framework of our new philosophy of Children's First budgeting...

...why is he working against our Students First best educational interests, by campaigning
for BOE election to gain "control of the board" to re-instate his Adults First status quo philosophy, stating "There needs to be a re-emphasis on the value of the eductor?"
Remember in November

Akron, OH

#27621 Sep 29, 2013
"Throughout history it has been the inaction of those who could have acted, the indifference of those who should have known better, the silence of the voice of justice when it matters most, that has made it possible for evil to triumph."
-Haile Selassie

LEBANON, Ohio (WDTN)- A long time Springboro high school sports booster was sentenced July 9, after pleading guilty to aggravated theft.
Thomas Harves, 61, will serve 90 days in the Warren County Jail. The prosecutor had asked the judge to sentence him to three years in prison.
Harves cashed more than 300 unauthorized checks, totaling $439,455, from the Springboro Athletics Boosters account while he served as the boosters' treasurer during his time with the group.
Prosecutors said Harves used some of the money to make house payments and to cover other expenses.
Current boosters say they would've liked to have seen a harsher sentence.
"My preference would have been that he did a little bit more hard time," says Afsoon McClellan, President of the Springboro Athletic Boosters.
Harves has since repaid the amount he stole.
In court he apologized for the thefts, saying he had already started returning the money when he was first questioned last June.
"What I did was wrong in so many ways," Harves told the court. "If I could make it right today I would do that."
Even Harves admits he was surprised to find out how much he took.
Prosecutors believe the amount was even higher, but didn't have the records to prove it.
"Our office could not go back further than eight years," says Warren County Prosecutor David Fornshell. "I don't believe for a minute starting January 1, 2004 that Mr. Harves decided in that year alone he was going to write 54 checks for $50,000."
McClellan says even with the money back, the group is still feeling the impact of the theft.
It lost its charity status because McClellan says in an effort to cover up the thefts, Harves didn't file the group's taxes.
The boosters are working to get that status back, but regaining the community's trust will be a much more difficult process.
"In a community struggling with far bigger issues, your actions cast a shadow over the few things that bring a community like ours together," McClellan told Harves in court.
Since the theft, the booster club has changed its policies and now has more than one person handle its finances.
That's something those who often deal with these cases say would be wise for other groups to do.
"It could prevent a lot of this if you have two people checking each other when you're dealing with cash or an organization's money," says Harves' attorney Charlie Rittgers.
Fornshell has held seminars for organizations on how to handle their finances.
He expects to hold another sometime this fall.
Question Everything

Akron, OH

#27622 Sep 29, 2013
Bias-What_Bias wrote:
I read a post that stated, union leader Scott Maney organized a Springboro school board candidate community forum. It stated that John Agenbroad, who was elected with the help of generous union donations, will moderate. Let's see how this will work. We have a candidate that was a former union leader, teacher, coach. We have a cadidate that was a former teacher, principal. We have candidate married to a former teacher. All three embedded in the union. Then we have two other candidates that have no union affiliation, parents of students attending the school district and local taxpayers in Springboro. You don't suppose that the community forum will be biased one way or the other, do you? If the candidates are smart, I would hope they refuse to attend and don't entertain the union thuggary that will be present at that forum.
Doesn't this sound like more Maney/Malone tunnel vision praise and worship of the union family insiders, while the union school board candidates are ignoring their responsibility to answer the questions of outsiders who, by the way, foot the big bill for the union insiders generous pay increases and great compensation/benefits packages?
Question Everything

Akron, OH

#27623 Sep 29, 2013
Uno Voter wrote:
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...now there you go again, motorvoter... trying to be funny but just sounding DUMB! I disagree with your distortions of "oh that Maney!" But totally agree that we should all head to polls on November 5 and Stop Maney from gaining control of our school tax dollars! Just Say No to union first status quo school board candidates, Ron Malone, David Stuckey, Charles Anderson.
These THREE candidates offer ONE collective voice speaking on behalf of future financial gain for the Springboro Education Association, while leaving our Students First best interes left behind....Where is the Responsibility to our 21st century education in the agenda of union school board candidates Ron Malone, David Stuckey, Charles Anderson?
Since our three union school board candidates offer only ONE collective liberal thought, why not have a real Community Town Hall meeting, with one liberal candidate and one conservative candidate, representing the two directions of students first vs union adult employees first?
A real political debate (and one as important as deciding which candidate will lead our students 21st century education) should be open to allow taxpaying voters from the outside, ask questions of the insiders.
The November 2011 school board candidate "debates" led by the mayor and the PTO were not "debates" at all; it was just another standard performance of one-sided questions, which were pre-arranged and pre-selected, and biased toward the union school board candidates against the fixing budgets/levy alternatives school board candidates.
Inquiry minds would hope that this election year's "debates" will not be status quo performance of the mayor and the pto leading another presentation of praise and worship of our wonderful teachers of unionism; while leaving our Students First best interest left behind.
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#27624 Sep 29, 2013
motorvoter wrote:
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Well, it's very clear to me that bin Laden ordered 19 Arab Muslims to perpetrate 911. Apparently you and the Institute on the Constitution have your doubts.
One thing I do not have a doubt about is the fact that too many children in this district are not getting the quality education that the taxpayers are funding.

Why don't you explain where I am wrong in my analysis of these numbers?

If you can tear yourself away from the phony issues you seem want to create, why don't you address a real one?

Anybody here want to debate the actual performance at the junior high school last year as opposed to the sanitized versions we found in the Dayton Daily News.

While what the DDN said is true, only 34 kids out of 512 failed to reach the PROFICIENT level on the state math test for 7th graders it failed to inform the reader what PROFICIENT represents.

What they neglected to tell the readers is that PROFICIENT is defined as getting 34%-56% correct on the test.

34%-56% correct, these accounted for 94 children in the 7th grade.

The next level is ACCELERATED, sounds quite impressive. To join the ACCELERATED ranks you need to score between 58% and 70%

58%-70% makes you an ACCELERATED student in the eyes of the state. 100 of our children in the 7th grade were considered ACCELERATED.

To be considered truly ADVANCED, the highest academic category a child could attain, one had to score at least 72%.

72% and above gets a child the full honors of the highest rating the state can bestow, the ADVANCED level.

72% and above equals the top of the academic pyramid in Ohio.

Class of 2018

7th Grade 2012-2013

Ohio Achievement Assessment Tests Results.
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Math .......50 possible points on the test
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State Rating System and distribution of students for the 7th grade
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Limited.......... 14 Students
Limited.......... 18% was the Average score for this group
Limited..........definition--0 -10 correct answers =(0-20% correct)
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Basic..........27 Students
Basic ..........28% was the Average score for this group
Basic..........definition--11 - 16 correct answers =(22-32% correct)
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Proficient........176 Students
Proficient........46% was the Average score for this group
Proficient.......definition--1 7-28 correct answers =(34-56% correct)
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Accelerated.....143 Students
Accelerated.....64% was the Average score for this group
Accelerated.....definition--29 -35 correct answers =(58-70% correct)
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Advanced........148 Students
Advanced........80% was the Average score for this group
Advanced........definition--36 -50 correct answers =(72-100% correct)
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Applying Mr. Malone's same grading system used for assigning percentages to grades earned in the college credit program (PSEO)
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F.....Below 62.99% correct answers.......282 Students
Percentage of Students.....56% receiving F
D..... 63%- 74.99% correct answers......108 Students
Percentage of Students.....21% receiving D
C......75%- 84.99% correct answers........77 Students
Percentage of Students.....16% receiving C
B..... 85%- 92.99% correct answers........34 Students
Percentage of Students.....7% receiving B
A..... 93% correct answers and above.....1 Students
Percentage of Students....0% receiving A

A more honest assessment of the children's level of knowledge reveals that we have:

PASSING 75% or better - 23%

FAILING 74% or lower - 77%

That is not really much to write home about. am I wrong in my assessment?

Using an artificially low scale to judge the effectiveness of our program of studies is intellectually dishonest.

Celebrating this feat when we know the underlying basis for these facts is intellectually dishonest and cheats our children of a true education. An education we are most certainly capable of providing all of our children.
Union Controlled Board

Atlanta, GA

#27625 Sep 30, 2013
This morning I noticed some great looking signs asking a simple question. I wonder how the community will answer this question.
Be a Man

Cleveland, OH

#27626 Sep 30, 2013
Union Controlled Board wrote:
This morning I noticed some great looking signs asking a simple question. I wonder how the community will answer this question.
Geez, I don't know Doug - how will the community respond?! Well, one, the signs were picked up b/c they were illegally placed (NOT to mention a lie - get your facts straight!) and two, the community will respond by voting for the ticket of Malone/Stuckey/Anderson - the ticket that has ethics, leadership, trust and honor! Get a life Doug!

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