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motorvoter

Cincinnati, OH

#27567 Sep 26, 2013
really stupid wrote:
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so you searched and found that someone somewhere spoke about something that has nothing to do with the constitution and nothing to do with the constitution course and nothing to do with the instructors of the course and nothing to do with Kohls, Petroni and Rigano? Wow you are a genius aren't you? Maybe a job is in order here you are a real researcher all right LOL
You're not getting it. The people who Kohls, Petroni and Rigano say present a neutral view of the history of the Constitution repeatedly push the theory that 911 was inside job. Even their teaching materials contain conspiracy propaganda. This is getting history wrong. And the school board should distance themselves from these nut jobs.
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#27568 Sep 26, 2013
Wow, leave for a few minutes and the loons really come out to play.

Anybody here want to debate the actual performance at the junior high school last year as opposed to the sanitized versions we found in the Dayton Daily News.

While what they say is true, only 34 kids out of 502 failed to reach the PROFICIENT level on the state math test for 7th graders.

What they neglect to tell you is PROFICIENT is defined as getting 34%-56% correct on the test.

34%-56% correct, these accounted for 94 children

The next level is ACCEKERATED, sounds quite impressive. To join the ACCELERATED ranks you need to score between 58% and 70%

58%-70% makes you an ACCELERATED student in the eyes of the state. 100 of our children in the 7th grade were considered ACCELERATED.

To be considered truly ADVANCED, the highest academic category a child could attain, one had to score at least 72%.

72% and above gets a child the full honors of the highest rating the state can bestow, the ADVANCED level.

72% and above equals the top of the academic pyramid in Ohio.

Class of 2018

7th Grade 2012-2013

Ohio Achievement Assessment Tests Results.
.
Math .......50 possible points on the test
.
.
State Rating System and distribution of students for the 7th grade
.
Limited.......... 13 Students
Limited.......... 24% was the Average score for this group
Limited..........definition--0 -10 correct answers =(0-20% correct)
.
Basic..........21 Students
Basic ..........34% was the Average score for this group
Basic..........definition--11 - 16 correct answers =(22-32% correct)
.
Proficient........94 Students
Proficient........51% was the Average score for this group
Proficient.........definition- -17-28 correct answers =(34-56% correct)
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Accelerated.....100 Students
Accelerated.....66% was the Average score for this group
Accelerated.....definition--29 -35 correct answers =(58-70% correct)
.
Advanced........267 Students
Advanced........83% was the Average score for this group
Advanced........definition--36 -50 correct answers =(72-100% correct)
.
Applying Mr. Malone's same grading system used for assigning percentages to grades earned in the college credit program (PSEO)
.
F.....Below 62.99% correct answers.......282 Students
Percentage of Students.....56% receiving F
D..... 63%- 74.99% correct answers......108 Students
Percentage of Students.....21% receiving D
C......75%- 84.99% correct answers........77 Students
Percentage of Students.....16% receiving C
B..... 85%- 92.99% correct answers........34 Students
Percentage of Students.....7% receiving B
A..... 93% correct answers and above.....1 Students
Percentage of Students....0% receiving A

A more honest assessment of the children's level of knowledge reveals that
we have

PASSING 75% or better - 23%

FAILING 74% or lower - 77%

That is not really much to write home about. am I wrong in my assessment?

Using an artificially low scale to judge the effectiveness of our program of studies is intellectually dishonest.

Celebrating this feat when we know the underlying basis for these facts is intellectually dishonest and cheats our children of a true education. An education we are most certainly capable of providing all of our children.
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#27569 Sep 26, 2013
http://education.ohio.gov/getattachment/Topic...

You can look it up yourself if you so desire.
Lerxst

Cleveland, OH

#27570 Sep 27, 2013
motorvoter wrote:
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You're not getting it. The people who Kohls, Petroni and Rigano say present a neutral view of the history of the Constitution repeatedly push the theory that 911 was inside job. Even their teaching materials contain conspiracy propaganda. This is getting history wrong. And the school board should distance themselves from these nut jobs.
On the flip side our kids are being taught a less than neutral view of the history of the constitution. Why is that okay to you?
motorvoter

Cincinnati, OH

#27571 Sep 27, 2013
Lerxst wrote:
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On the flip side our kids are being taught a less than neutral view of the history of the constitution. Why is that okay to you?
Apart from the Howard Zinn book, which I likewise have a problem with, what are you talking about?

If you do believe that are children are being poorly taught, why do you support lessons being provided by the Institute on the Constitution, which has continuously supported the theory that the U.S. government blew up the World Trade Center?
Lerxst

Cleveland, OH

#27572 Sep 27, 2013
motorvoter wrote:
<quoted text>
Apart from the Howard Zinn book, which I likewise have a problem with, what are you talking about?
If you do believe that are children are being poorly taught, why do you support lessons being provided by the Institute on the Constitution, which has continuously supported the theory that the U.S. government blew up the World Trade Center?
Where did I ever say I support lessons being provided by the Institute on the Constitution? They aren't going to be teaching our kids so the issue is really moot.

That said, what I'm talking about is kids in our schools are getting a one sided slanted view of the constitution. That's the side the government wants to tell you. Want proof? Ask any kid coming out of a Springboro school if there is a constitutional right to vote for the president. See what they say. Ask them if we are a democracy. Then, ask them to find the word 'democracy' in the constitution.
Uno Voter

Akron, OH

#27573 Sep 27, 2013
motorvoter wrote:
<quoted text>
Apart from the Howard Zinn book, which I likewise have a problem with, what are you talking about?
If you do believe that are children are being poorly taught, why do you support lessons being provided by the Institute on the Constitution, which has continuously supported the theory that the U.S. government blew up the World Trade Center?
As for me (and my household of voters), we believe that our children are being poorly taught, as a result of Malone's loyalty to the Springboro Education Association, with every decision that Malone made on the program of studies; instead of Malone making every decision in the best interest of each student.
For the record, last March 2012, our former high school principal, Mr. Malone, sold out our kid's 21st century education agenda by refusing to accept a position of leadership in district office that "fit" Mr. Malone's PAST forty years of educational expertise.
Mr. Malone resisted this change (which was necessary for our school community) to lead in the direction of putting children first; instead Mr. Malone led our high school students into a community-wide protest to re-instate "principal Ron" and welcome back "status quo" union first business as usual, for the last year of Mr. Malone's contract. Mr. Malone was fond of telling voters througout the community that "a deal is a deal" and that his deal with the school board was to remain status quo high school principal until the end of his contract.
The way I see it, Mr. Malone's employment wishes were honored; and the contributions that Mr. Malone brought to our Springboro Schools for the past 13 years are recognized and appreciated; and now new leadership is building upon our "tradition of great schools in Springboro" and moving ahead in the direction of
the future. Although Mr. Malone has recognized and stated publicly that he is not on board with the new direction of our school board's reform minded philosophy, he is now seeking election as board representative, so that he can change the direction of our successful children first philosophy back to the union first status quo philosophy. Where is the "responsibility to our students' 21st century education" in the campaign of the union school board candidates, Ron Malone/David Stuckey/Charles Anderson?
Uno Voter

Akron, OH

#27574 Sep 27, 2013
motorvoter wrote:
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So apparently you, like Jim Rigano, support a 911 Truther organization like the Institute on the Constitution to teach the children of Springboro the meaning of founding documents of America. Are you that dumb?
No, I am not dumb. I am SMART enough to recognize that I don't know it all; and EDUCATED enough to listen to, and learn from, differing opinions presented to our community during our public school board meetings.

I do remember that choices on teaching the Constitution were presented; and I do remember in public meeting that school teacher Gail Dauber expressed her concerns during public board meeting; and I do remember that she was encouraged to attend the board policy committee meeting, so that the board could listen to her concerns.
And I do know that our elected board policy committee members can be trusted to work with our curriculum director/staff to share in making decisions that are in the best interest of our students' best curriculum; and that our teachers' input and views are priority in the work of our current board representatives.
It appears to me that motorvoter is more interested in discreded the good work being done by our current board; than being interested in the best curriculum choices for our students.
It is all about the kids best education, is it not?
Students First

Cleveland, OH

#27575 Sep 27, 2013
Topix post on this thread from September 28th 2011, just over five weeks before the last school board election...
Parents wrote:
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What can PETRONI-RIGANO do to assure a quality education for our children in a tough economy?

Number One: CHILDREN FIRST. Budget for educational support services for children first. No holding parents hostage over things like busing and classroom fees.

Number Two: REBUILD CONFIDENCE. Petroni-Rigano will make sure the strife and waste caused by FIVE unnecessary levy attempts never occurs again; (and the TV camera will be turned on so that hard working district taxpayers can hold local school government leaders accountable).

Number Three: CONTROL SPENDING. While their opponents were asking for unnecessary taxes, Petroni-Rigano analyzed the budget, presenting Twelve concrete budget saving steps worth over $30 million.

The result: a $6M surplus! lower fees! and restored services for children!(so much more for our school children than just "adequate!")
Learn more at http://petroni-rigano.com
- EXACTLY two years later, because of a ton of hard work from both the board and administration, the economic outlook of Springboro Schools has never been better.

- EXACTLY two years later, because of a ton of hard from both the board and administration, Boro's school children now have many items and services that were long overdue due.
Such items and services include:

$1.1 million for an 11 additional new buses bought 10 last year.
$1.5 million in computers, wifi, backbone, which = 350 laptops and 1,000 computers
$3.7 million in capital improvements
$2.4 million in text books and new curriculum and text book adoptions

This level of infrastructure and curriculum support improvement would have been next to impossible with the prior board's history of grievous budget inaccuracies.

- EXACTLY two years later, because of a ton of hard work from both our board and administration, this district's voters are being asked to renew the prior millage, BUT WITH A 15% ROLLBACK TO THE TAXPAYERS!!

- EXACTLY two years later. What ever happened to those summer of 2011 voices who desperately tried to take Petroni apart because he and his wife home schools?
News flash: The shoe is now on the other foot.

http://www.supportborostudents.com/

Vote Nov 5th for David Bitner & Kolton Vaughn
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#27576 Sep 27, 2013
Uno Voter wrote:
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As for me (and my household of voters), we believe that our children are being poorly taught, as a result of Malone's loyalty to the Springboro Education Association, with every decision that Malone made on the program of studies; instead of Malone making every decision in the best interest of each student.
For the record, last March 2012, our former high school principal, Mr. Malone, sold out our kid's 21st century education agenda by refusing to accept a position of leadership in district office that "fit" Mr. Malone's PAST forty years of educational expertise.
Mr. Malone resisted this change (which was necessary for our school community) to lead in the direction of putting children first; instead Mr. Malone led our high school students into a community-wide protest to re-instate "principal Ron" and welcome back "status quo" union first business as usual, for the last year of Mr. Malone's contract. Mr. Malone was fond of telling voters througout the community that "a deal is a deal" and that his deal with the school board was to remain status quo high school principal until the end of his contract.
The way I see it, Mr. Malone's employment wishes were honored; and the contributions that Mr. Malone brought to our Springboro Schools for the past 13 years are recognized and appreciated; and now new leadership is building upon our "tradition of great schools in Springboro" and moving ahead in the direction of
the future. Although Mr. Malone has recognized and stated publicly that he is not on board with the new direction of our school board's reform minded philosophy, he is now seeking election as board representative, so that he can change the direction of our successful children first philosophy back to the union first status quo philosophy. Where is the "responsibility to our students' 21st century education" in the campaign of the union school board candidates, Ron Malone/David Stuckey/Charles Anderson?
Every cloud has a silver lining, and in this case a gold one.

We dodged a major bullet, however inadvertently, when Mr. Malone scheduled his hissy fit. It was not until later did we learn of Mr. Malone's burying the results and recommendations that he ignored from the High School's That Work audits. These audits were conducted by the Warren County Education Service Center and were done by Mr. Malone's peers, no one on the board of education then or now were involved in any way.

Page 10
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bxs0_xA64y_HS...

Why would we want as curriculum director someone who knowingly let down the community, the students, and the families of Springboro by dumbing down the rigor of the high schools curriculum?

This was done in the face of NO KNOWN data or research that pointed towards this being a wise choice.

Not my words but those of Mr. Malone's professional peers assessing his work as leader of the high school and the district.
motor voter

Cincinnati, OH

#27577 Sep 27, 2013
The current board advocates the teachings of the Institute of the Constitution. They push 911 conspiracy theories. Kohls endorsed that organization in the last board meeting.
reality

Cleveland, OH

#27578 Sep 27, 2013
motor voter wrote:
The current board advocates the teachings of the Institute of the Constitution. They push 911 conspiracy theories. Kohls endorsed that organization in the last board meeting.
I'll gladly take Kohls Petroni and Rigano over any school board candidate nominated by the NEA, OEA and SEA all of which share a common philosophy of condoning and/or pardoning American terrorists of the body and of the mind, such as Bill Ayers, the keynote speaker at the Jan 2013 Association of Teacher Educators (A.T.E) conference in Atlanta GA.
Uno Voter

Akron, OH

#27579 Sep 27, 2013
motor voter wrote:
The current board advocates the teachings of the Institute of the Constitution. They push 911 conspiracy theories. Kohls endorsed that organization in the last board meeting.
I disagree with your distortions of our current board's leadership.
The current board is not pushing theories.
Our current board is leading our school district in the direction of common sense and fiscal responsibility.
And that's exactly where our Springboro families and taxpayer homeowners choose to be. There will be no turning back, no matter if bad and ugly politics of personal destruction against good leadership is continued....
Uh Oh

Lebanon, OH

#27580 Sep 27, 2013
motor voter wrote:
The current board advocates the teachings of the Institute of the Constitution. They push 911 conspiracy theories. Kohls endorsed that organization in the last board meeting.
Mr. Malone advocates the dumbing down of our curriculum so our children appear smarter than the state tests demonstrate. He not only endorsed it for our kids, he instituted the program. Who did it really benefit? Certainly not the kids.
Ask Ron Malone

Akron, OH

#27581 Sep 27, 2013
Uh Oh wrote:
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Mr. Malone advocates the dumbing down of our curriculum so our children appear smarter than the state tests demonstrate. He not only endorsed it for our kids, he instituted the program. Who did it really benefit? Certainly not the kids.
In the May 2013 issue of the magazine Springboro Life, editor Jill Kelley presents a two-page interview with Ron Malone, Springboro High School principal, who has been with the district for 13 years and is now retired; and a November 2013 school board candidate.

Ms. Kelley asks Ron Malone:
What do you think of the future of education?

Mr. Malone responds:
"Education today seems to be narrowing its focus to emphasize core courses: math, science, language arts. I'm a strong believer in broad based education; in high school especially. Offering a wide variety of courses and experiences might spark different interests in students that chould help them in college and beyond."

Isn't Mr. Malone telling us that he believes in quantity of courses vs quality of educational courses?

...doesn't offering a wide variety of courses require increased staff and increased pay for union teachers in every classroom; which in turn yields increased union dues; turning bigger profits to the teachers union, with a re-emphasis on the dollar value of the "educator?"

Isn't this narrow tunnel vision that Ron Malone has for the
future of education focused on job security and increased pay for educators, instead of a quality classroom education for all students, while living within our children's first budget framework of success?
poundsand

Dayton, OH

#27582 Sep 27, 2013
motor voter wrote:
The current board advocates the teachings of the Institute of the Constitution. They push 911 conspiracy theories. Kohls endorsed that organization in the last board meeting.
Go away, Troll.
Surprise

Springboro, OH

#27583 Sep 27, 2013
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
http://education.ohio.gov/geta ttachment/Topics/Testing/Stati stical-Summaries-and-Item-Anal ysis-Reports/May-2013-OAA-Stat istical-Summary-2.pdf.aspx
You can look it up yourself if you so desire.
Don't want to debate but must be a good job since former JH principal was put in charge of all curriculum 7-12.
truth to power

Cleveland, OH

#27584 Sep 27, 2013
Uh Oh wrote:
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Mr. Malone advocates the dumbing down of our curriculum so our children appear smarter than the state tests demonstrate. He not only endorsed it for our kids, he instituted the program. Who did it really benefit? Certainly not the kids.
For one moment, let's be fair to Ron Malone.

In its OAA and OGT tests at various grade levels, the State of Ohio has done nothing but consistently lower students "proficient" threshold. Why? This lowering of the bar has largely been all about a pathetic attempt in Columbus to bolster the egos of educators and administrators of many lesser-performing districts statewide.

...58,... 59,... 60! One minute! Time's up!

During his final years as principal of SHS, why didn't Ron Malone step forward to speak up about how the state of Ohio has been lowering the bar of standards for Boro's children? For what reason would this "insanely popular" former principal keep his mouth shut about something that has so much of an effect on our childrens futures? While Malone has been busy keeping his mouth clamped shut, the truth about our children's plight has been craftfully revealed by our school board, as well as well informed citizens including Doug W.

Thanks for nothing, Mr. Malone! You may have indeed won the student popularity contest. But, in terms of genuinely providing support for Boro's students, you have LOST.
motorvoter

Cincinnati, OH

#27585 Sep 27, 2013
Uno Voter wrote:
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No, I am not dumb. I am SMART enough to recognize that I don't know it all; and EDUCATED enough to listen to, and learn from, differing opinions presented to our community during our public school board meetings.
I do remember that choices on teaching the Constitution were presented; and I do remember in public meeting that school teacher Gail Dauber expressed her concerns during public board meeting; and I do remember that she was encouraged to attend the board policy committee meeting, so that the board could listen to her concerns.
And I do know that our elected board policy committee members can be trusted to work with our curriculum director/staff to share in making decisions that are in the best interest of our students' best curriculum; and that our teachers' input and views are priority in the work of our current board representatives.
It appears to me that motorvoter is more interested in discreded the good work being done by our current board; than being interested in the best curriculum choices for our students.
It is all about the kids best education, is it not?
This is just a bunch of babble. The school board's idea of the best curriculum includes classes on the Constitution taught by a person who is not remotely educated in this area (Ricki, who also markets her own miracle diet) from an organization - the Institute on the Constitution - that consistently promotes 911 conspiracy theories.

Aren't embarrassed of this?
motorvoter

Cincinnati, OH

#27586 Sep 27, 2013
poundsand wrote:
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Go away, Troll.
That's actually the best argument I've heard regarding the evidence that I've brought up that the board-supported Institute on the Constitution is full of 911 truther conspiracists.

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