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Our recommendation: Springboro voters should say 'yes' the first time to school levies

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Heart Burn

United States

#27482 Sep 16, 2013
Do your homework wrote:
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And yet no names are uttered. MSA will win on name recognition alone. Don't you people understand elections? Obama does.
Sigh...we've addressed this before, although you ignored the response. I'll try again. How did name recognition work out for a sitting BOE president and a lawyer with a thriving practice here in Boro...Ira Thomsen. A total unknown with a different message whipped him good in a landslide...Kelly Kohls. How did name recognition work out for long time BOE member & President and local Boro Post Master Mike Kruse? How about the SEA teacher with a daughter that is also a SEA teacher, Mary jane Gregg? How did name recognition work out for sitting BOE member Gentry Ellis? Or the big name in name recognition...Lisa Babb? They all ran on name recognition and no message. And how did they all get beat by no names Rigano and Petroni? By running a campaign that had a solid message of why they were running, what they were willing to do to better the kids, the district and the community as a whole. Not a campaign based on revenge of taking "their" board back.

As far as Obama understanding elections...he understands to rely on low information voters that beleive the lip service he gives them. You know...voters that don't do their homework, voters that believe the hype but don't listen to the facts. Voters that decide who to vote for based on sound bites. Voters that, for instance, would say voting for a BOE member with no kids in the district is wrong, voting for a BOE member that sues the district is wrong, voting for a BOE member that has personal agendas and conflicts of interest are the wrong reasons to vote for said candidate, but then say they already have their mind made up to vote for those candidates that share the same negative traits you are against...Sound like anyone YOU know...a typical low information type voter?

Luckily for us this is a local election and Warren County and Boro in general is full of voters that have shown time and time again to do actual homework, vote for the candidates that stand out with positive messages of what they are willing to do to improve the district. Of course there are those exceptions...YOU know what I mean. LOL.
lol

Akron, OH

#27483 Sep 16, 2013
Do your homework wrote:
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TOYOTA!!
...homework done?
Just Asking

Akron, OH

#27484 Sep 16, 2013
Heart Burn wrote:
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Sigh...we've addressed this before, although you ignored the response. I'll try again. How did name recognition work out for a sitting BOE president and a lawyer with a thriving practice here in Boro...Ira Thomsen. A total unknown with a different message whipped him good in a landslide...Kelly Kohls. How did name recognition work out for long time BOE member & President and local Boro Post Master Mike Kruse? How about the SEA teacher with a daughter that is also a SEA teacher, Mary jane Gregg? How did name recognition work out for sitting BOE member Gentry Ellis? Or the big name in name recognition...Lisa Babb? They all ran on name recognition and no message. And how did they all get beat by no names Rigano and Petroni? By running a campaign that had a solid message of why they were running, what they were willing to do to better the kids, the district and the community as a whole. Not a campaign based on revenge of taking "their" board back.
As far as Obama understanding elections...he understands to rely on low information voters that beleive the lip service he gives them. You know...voters that don't do their homework, voters that believe the hype but don't listen to the facts. Voters that decide who to vote for based on sound bites. Voters that, for instance, would say voting for a BOE member with no kids in the district is wrong, voting for a BOE member that sues the district is wrong, voting for a BOE member that has personal agendas and conflicts of interest are the wrong reasons to vote for said candidate, but then say they already have their mind made up to vote for those candidates that share the same negative traits you are against...Sound like anyone YOU know...a typical low information type voter?
Luckily for us this is a local election and Warren County and Boro in general is full of voters that have shown time and time again to do actual homework, vote for the candidates that stand out with positive messages of what they are willing to do to improve the district. Of course there are those exceptions...YOU know what I mean. LOL.
Wonder if anybody else who studied the HSTW Ohio Regions Technical Assistance Visit Report, SHS, December 14-15, 2010, noticed that one of the eight team members was Jane Gregg, Community Member/Miami University Adjunct. Is this the same Mary Jane Gregg who has a Springboro School teacher/daughter; and is this the same Mary Jane Gregg who was one of the four 2011 Union school board candidates?
For real

Springboro, OH

#27485 Sep 16, 2013
Do your homework wrote:
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I don't speak for them. However I can't support a board that allows hate speach and a confederate flag to be displayed in a board meeting one minute and stiflling free speach the next. The speakers who were thrown out were said not to be speaking about items "on the adgenda". They were speaking about items on the agenda in the executive session portion. Decisions are made in executive session just as they are in public sesson, therefore the public has a RIGHT to speak to either to let their voices be heard.
I also have a hard time with a board that wishes to bring in religion and force it onto kids in public schools.(see Dover) When they did that they are putting our "hard earned tax dollars" at risk, being spend on court cases we (like most others) will loose.
Also I don't see how someone get's voted on to the BOE without having a child enlisted in Springboro Public Schools, but that was the public's decision. Those people have nothing to loose since their children aren't affected by the BOE's decisions.
Again, what are the names of the candidates that are the other options? I would think it's a simple question but I guess if noone supports any other candidates then the election result is pretty much determined before it even starts.
There you go, hearing voices. There were no hate speeches accept yours - every meeting you give another hate speech like it is your swan song but every meeting there you are again Steph. Man, get back on those meds please. Never been a hate speech by anyone but you left people. You are making up things again. Please stop, I am sick and tired of your lies.
Get real

Springboro, OH

#27486 Sep 16, 2013
Do your homework wrote:
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Here's one. Two of them have been teachers and therefore would have a better understanding of what teachers go through on a day-to-day basis.
I would also be willing to bet that all of them have spend more time in public schools than some of the children of the current BOE who homeschool their children.
Of course, you'll go on now and rip them for that and say that's why not to vote for them, because they will be for the money-grubbing SEA,etc.(by the way, didn't the teachers agree to a pay freeze a couple of years ago? Oh, sorry, guess that sheds a positive light on the teachers and is not allowed here where it is said that " the KKK has nothing on the American public education system." and that Factcheck.org was made up to prove a point for this discussion.
This board is all about tearing down what is known (MSA) and never bringing up what isn't known (better alternative candidates).
Are you sure you have it right. "What they go through" or what they put the children through?

I hear they tell the kids every day that they don't get paid very much and whoooo is me. "On my salary....." "On a teachers salary...." the funny thing is that kids today look it up and tell their parents about the nonsense their teachers tell them in class and then they all have a good laugh.
Any teacher that tells anyone their pay is poor should immediately find a different job.#1 poor pay is 100% false and #2 try anything else and get the pay they do for part time work. Really?
I think most teachers do a fine job and do what they are paid handsomely to do but those that complain should get out.

Get real

Springboro, OH

#27487 Sep 16, 2013
Do your homework wrote:
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But our BOE president puting us in the OSBLC wasn't a conflict?(your hypocrisy is alive and well, I see).
So at their age, you expect them to have children? Who do you think they are, Tony Randall?
At least I've "done my homework" and know who I'm voting for.
"Do your homework" please do your homework. Nothing you said here is correct. The district does not belong to OSBLC. Even if they did all of the OSBA board members are school district board members and they pay thousands of taxpayer/district $ to OSBA so you are wrong many times over on this one. Maybe the district should join OSBLC.. I have cked it out now thanks for the heads up. I ask questions when I don't know what I am talking about before I embarrass myself-think about it.

Ron Malone has a wife and a daughter that work in the district= conflict and conflict.
Get real

Springboro, OH

#27488 Sep 16, 2013
Just Asking wrote:
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Wonder if anybody else who studied the HSTW Ohio Regions Technical Assistance Visit Report, SHS, December 14-15, 2010, noticed that one of the eight team members was Jane Gregg, Community Member/Miami University Adjunct. Is this the same Mary Jane Gregg who has a Springboro School teacher/daughter; and is this the same Mary Jane Gregg who was one of the four 2011 Union school board candidates?
What is the HSTW report? See Do Your homework, like this.
Get real

Springboro, OH

#27489 Sep 16, 2013
Heart Burn wrote:
While you are all contemplating my above questions I'll ask the same question I asked a couple of weeks ago with niot one single objective answer.
What are a couple of positive obejective reasons to vote FOR any of the MAS candidates?
Convince me with reasons to vote FOR them and not someone else.
Great question. Ya I would love to know what they are running on? See since I have no clue I ask.

Tell me why I should vote for SMA?
tellthetruth

Cleveland, OH

#27490 Sep 17, 2013
Responsible taxpaying citizens should contact Clearcreek Township Administrator, Dennis Pickett, and ask that Mr. Kidd bring an apology to citizens at the next township government meeting.
Mr. Kidd should bring Mr. Vecchi's resignation, with an apology to Clearcreek/Springboro citizens for this unacceptable behavior.
How can we trust our Fire Chief's judgement for future decisions unless he makes the responsible decision to relieve Mr. Vecchi of his irresponsible public service?

"Find out just what thie people will submit to and you have found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them." - Frederick Douglass

The BEST approach to this problem is to RID ourselves of ED WADE, and NOT TO ELECT DALE LAMB.

They HIRED KIDD and promoted VECCHI. As for Pickett, well, anyone who HIDES behind a beard as NO credibility in my book. Besides, was he not leaving in July 2012 after ED WADE sold health insurance to the township employees for over 30 years and pocketed 1.2 million dollars?
Where do I get this job

Cleveland, OH

#27491 Sep 17, 2013
tellthetruth wrote:
The BEST approach to this problem is to RID ourselves of ED WADE, and NOT TO ELECT DALE LAMB.
They HIRED KIDD and promoted VECCHI. As for Pickett, well, anyone who HIDES behind a beard as NO credibility in my book. Besides, was he not leaving in July 2012 after ED WADE sold health insurance to the township employees for over 30 years and pocketed 1.2 million dollars?
That seems a little suspect, who were the other bidders for the health insurance business in the township?

Being the one who reviews the bids would seem to put Mr. Wade in the catbird's seat.

How do you outbid the guy who makes the decisions and knows your bid before he bids?
Brain Drain Alert

Akron, OH

#27492 Sep 17, 2013
For real wrote:
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There you go, hearing voices. There were no hate speeches accept yours - every meeting you give another hate speech like it is your swan song but every meeting there you are again Steph. Man, get back on those meds please. Never been a hate speech by anyone but you left people. You are making up things again. Please stop, I am sick and tired of your lies.
Mrs. B has crossed the line of civility by running her mouth faster than her brain can re-arrange her prejudices and hatred toward everything good that is being accomplished by our reform minded Board of Education elected officials. Her cruel tactics of school government indoctrination (you must conform to status-quo because I said so) by pulling her "ex-military rank" joining with board member Don Miller, to project her oppressive
rule over the citizens of Springboro, have now come to an end in our public school board meetings.
Inquiring minds wonder what Don Miller's reaction would be in the public board meetings, IF, a concerned citizen spoke to the board at the beginning of the meeting, telling the board that WE THE PEOPLE will not tolerate potty mouth Mom hate speech in OUR boardroom, without yelling out "Objection" as she expounds her tunnel vision ignorance....
Synchronistic Wanderings

Xenia, OH

#27493 Sep 17, 2013
tellthetruth wrote:
Responsible taxpaying citizens should contact Clearcreek Township Administrator, Dennis Pickett, and ask that Mr. Kidd bring an apology to citizens at the next township government meeting.
Mr. Kidd should bring Mr. Vecchi's resignation, with an apology to Clearcreek/Springboro citizens for this unacceptable behavior.
How can we trust our Fire Chief's judgement for future decisions unless he makes the responsible decision to relieve Mr. Vecchi of his irresponsible public service?
"Find out just what thie people will submit to and you have found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them." - Frederick Douglass
The BEST approach to this problem is to RID ourselves of ED WADE, and NOT TO ELECT DALE LAMB.
They HIRED KIDD and promoted VECCHI. As for Pickett, well, anyone who HIDES behind a beard as NO credibility in my book. Besides, was he not leaving in July 2012 after ED WADE sold health insurance to the township employees for over 30 years and pocketed 1.2 million dollars?
Doesn't Doug W. have a beard? Kind of prejeduce don't you think? Funny I though Doug sounded kind of educated.
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#27494 Sep 17, 2013
Synchronistic Wanderings wrote:
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Doesn't Doug W. have a beard? Kind of prejeduce don't you think? Funny I though Doug sounded kind of educated.
Shhhh... I am hiding form the union.
reality

Girard, OH

#27495 Sep 17, 2013
Brain Drain Alert wrote:
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Mrs. B has crossed the line of civility by running her mouth faster than her brain can re-arrange her prejudices and hatred toward everything good that is being accomplished by our reform minded Board of Education elected officials.

Yet another line of civility was crossed the day bulldogs were first allowed to square off beneath her clothing.
Waste Watchers

Akron, OH

#27496 Sep 17, 2013
Synchronistic Wanderings wrote:
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Doesn't Doug W. have a beard? Kind of prejeduce don't you think? Funny I though Doug sounded kind of educated.
Personal appearances can change; and beards come and go....

The time has now come for all government leaders who waste our money to GO in the direction of .... OUT OF ELECTED OFFICE.
tellthetruth

Cleveland, OH

#27497 Sep 17, 2013
Personal appearances can change; and beards come and go....

The time has now come for all government leaders who waste our money to GO in the direction of .... OUT OF ELECTED OFFICE.

SO, If I hear you correctly, it is time for WADE and LAMB and Pickett and Wilhelm to go. They all have been in offce for decades and I would have to agree withyou. It is time to have a fresh set of eyes looking at how out tax payer money is spent. We would probably find that there is NO need for any tax increases and maybe a TAX CUT!

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#27498 Sep 17, 2013
pass that you are smoking so we can the pretty colors
tellthetruth wrote:
Personal appearances can change; and beards come and go....
The time has now come for all government leaders who waste our money to GO in the direction of .... OUT OF ELECTED OFFICE.
SO, If I hear you correctly, it is time for WADE and LAMB and Pickett and Wilhelm to go. They all have been in offce for decades and I would have to agree withyou. It is time to have a fresh set of eyes looking at how out tax payer money is spent. We would probably find that there is NO need for any tax increases and maybe a TAX CUT!
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#27499 Sep 17, 2013
In the past few decades we have seen a new tact develop in a floundering union system that today has become through legislation and opportunity increasingly irrelevant. A new strategy has evolved that is proving quite successful as public sector unions concentrate on smaller elected positions that control, in aggregate, where most tax revenues are spent in this country.

Most money is spent by obscure public utility commissions, police and fire commissions, port authorities, airport commissions, special districts, school districts, redevelopment districts, cities, and counties.

In Ohio,$57 billion dollars are spent at the local level compared with $62 billion dollars spent at the state government, often by elected officials who are virtually unknown to voters – those many names on the ballot that the typical voter skips over with no recognition whatsoever, as they search for their preferred big candidates running for higher office.

While many members of the fourth estate concentrate on the single source of state spending in Columbus, the myriad of local spending that amounts to just 10% less than the state total goes remarkably under reported.

Voters need to understand that the vast majority of government workers are employed by local agencies and districts that are managed by elected officials nobody’s heard of, EXCEPT for the UNIONS who SELECTED them, FINANCED them, and NOW NEGOTIATE WITH them.

That these unions almost always financially support partisan political parties is secondary to the fact they are acting in the public sector, which means there is a clear conflict of interests between their agenda – more pay, more benefits, more staff, more job security – and the interests of the public at large.

How the reformers of Springboro and Clearcreek Township fare this November bears watching.

Will unions claim control of the purse strings and work conditions, or not?
Waste Watchers

Akron, OH

#27500 Sep 17, 2013
When Demorats controlled the levers of power under legendary Speaker Riffe and Governor Celeste in 1983, they rammed through Ohio's pro-union collective bargaining law. That law, far more than any other piece of legislation, is responsible for the ever-increasing compensation package costs of government, especially at the local level. You may support those high costs, and believe taxpayers should foot the bill no matter how high those costs rise, but it is indisputable that public sector collective bargaining drove Ohio's state and local tax burden from among the lowest in the country to among the highest.
The system today is one in which the party leaders control who runs for office (or receives a vacancy appointment) and which pieces of legislation make it out of the legislature. Parties endorse candidates in primaries and then do all that they can do to eliminate primaries or guarantee their endorsed candidate prevails. As a result, legislators are indebted to the poitical party and leadership for their jobs and dependent upon them for reelection support.
This sytem, therefore, leads to the outcome you would expect when party control matters more than implementing the right policies. It frankly doesn't matter who is actually elected. The outcome is one in which timidity of action and nibbling around the margins of big issues predominates. The focus is on doing enough to claim the mantle of reform, but not too much so that the next election is at risk. It is a status quo system.
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#27501 Sep 17, 2013
Depends on who is hired by the voters.

Professionals or citizen soldiers?

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