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Our recommendation: Springboro voters should say 'yes' the first time to school levies

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For real

Springfield, OH

#27485 Sep 16, 2013
Do your homework wrote:
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I don't speak for them. However I can't support a board that allows hate speach and a confederate flag to be displayed in a board meeting one minute and stiflling free speach the next. The speakers who were thrown out were said not to be speaking about items "on the adgenda". They were speaking about items on the agenda in the executive session portion. Decisions are made in executive session just as they are in public sesson, therefore the public has a RIGHT to speak to either to let their voices be heard.
I also have a hard time with a board that wishes to bring in religion and force it onto kids in public schools.(see Dover) When they did that they are putting our "hard earned tax dollars" at risk, being spend on court cases we (like most others) will loose.
Also I don't see how someone get's voted on to the BOE without having a child enlisted in Springboro Public Schools, but that was the public's decision. Those people have nothing to loose since their children aren't affected by the BOE's decisions.
Again, what are the names of the candidates that are the other options? I would think it's a simple question but I guess if noone supports any other candidates then the election result is pretty much determined before it even starts.
There you go, hearing voices. There were no hate speeches accept yours - every meeting you give another hate speech like it is your swan song but every meeting there you are again Steph. Man, get back on those meds please. Never been a hate speech by anyone but you left people. You are making up things again. Please stop, I am sick and tired of your lies.
Get real

Springfield, OH

#27486 Sep 16, 2013
Do your homework wrote:
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Here's one. Two of them have been teachers and therefore would have a better understanding of what teachers go through on a day-to-day basis.
I would also be willing to bet that all of them have spend more time in public schools than some of the children of the current BOE who homeschool their children.
Of course, you'll go on now and rip them for that and say that's why not to vote for them, because they will be for the money-grubbing SEA,etc.(by the way, didn't the teachers agree to a pay freeze a couple of years ago? Oh, sorry, guess that sheds a positive light on the teachers and is not allowed here where it is said that " the KKK has nothing on the American public education system." and that Factcheck.org was made up to prove a point for this discussion.
This board is all about tearing down what is known (MSA) and never bringing up what isn't known (better alternative candidates).
Are you sure you have it right. "What they go through" or what they put the children through?

I hear they tell the kids every day that they don't get paid very much and whoooo is me. "On my salary....." "On a teachers salary...." the funny thing is that kids today look it up and tell their parents about the nonsense their teachers tell them in class and then they all have a good laugh.
Any teacher that tells anyone their pay is poor should immediately find a different job.#1 poor pay is 100% false and #2 try anything else and get the pay they do for part time work. Really?
I think most teachers do a fine job and do what they are paid handsomely to do but those that complain should get out.

Get real

Springfield, OH

#27487 Sep 16, 2013
Do your homework wrote:
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But our BOE president puting us in the OSBLC wasn't a conflict?(your hypocrisy is alive and well, I see).
So at their age, you expect them to have children? Who do you think they are, Tony Randall?
At least I've "done my homework" and know who I'm voting for.
"Do your homework" please do your homework. Nothing you said here is correct. The district does not belong to OSBLC. Even if they did all of the OSBA board members are school district board members and they pay thousands of taxpayer/district $ to OSBA so you are wrong many times over on this one. Maybe the district should join OSBLC.. I have cked it out now thanks for the heads up. I ask questions when I don't know what I am talking about before I embarrass myself-think about it.

Ron Malone has a wife and a daughter that work in the district= conflict and conflict.
Get real

Springfield, OH

#27488 Sep 16, 2013
Just Asking wrote:
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Wonder if anybody else who studied the HSTW Ohio Regions Technical Assistance Visit Report, SHS, December 14-15, 2010, noticed that one of the eight team members was Jane Gregg, Community Member/Miami University Adjunct. Is this the same Mary Jane Gregg who has a Springboro School teacher/daughter; and is this the same Mary Jane Gregg who was one of the four 2011 Union school board candidates?
What is the HSTW report? See Do Your homework, like this.
Get real

Springfield, OH

#27489 Sep 16, 2013
Heart Burn wrote:
While you are all contemplating my above questions I'll ask the same question I asked a couple of weeks ago with niot one single objective answer.
What are a couple of positive obejective reasons to vote FOR any of the MAS candidates?
Convince me with reasons to vote FOR them and not someone else.
Great question. Ya I would love to know what they are running on? See since I have no clue I ask.

Tell me why I should vote for SMA?
tellthetruth

Cleveland, OH

#27490 Sep 17, 2013
Responsible taxpaying citizens should contact Clearcreek Township Administrator, Dennis Pickett, and ask that Mr. Kidd bring an apology to citizens at the next township government meeting.
Mr. Kidd should bring Mr. Vecchi's resignation, with an apology to Clearcreek/Springboro citizens for this unacceptable behavior.
How can we trust our Fire Chief's judgement for future decisions unless he makes the responsible decision to relieve Mr. Vecchi of his irresponsible public service?

"Find out just what thie people will submit to and you have found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them." - Frederick Douglass

The BEST approach to this problem is to RID ourselves of ED WADE, and NOT TO ELECT DALE LAMB.

They HIRED KIDD and promoted VECCHI. As for Pickett, well, anyone who HIDES behind a beard as NO credibility in my book. Besides, was he not leaving in July 2012 after ED WADE sold health insurance to the township employees for over 30 years and pocketed 1.2 million dollars?
Where do I get this job

Cleveland, OH

#27491 Sep 17, 2013
tellthetruth wrote:
The BEST approach to this problem is to RID ourselves of ED WADE, and NOT TO ELECT DALE LAMB.
They HIRED KIDD and promoted VECCHI. As for Pickett, well, anyone who HIDES behind a beard as NO credibility in my book. Besides, was he not leaving in July 2012 after ED WADE sold health insurance to the township employees for over 30 years and pocketed 1.2 million dollars?
That seems a little suspect, who were the other bidders for the health insurance business in the township?

Being the one who reviews the bids would seem to put Mr. Wade in the catbird's seat.

How do you outbid the guy who makes the decisions and knows your bid before he bids?
Brain Drain Alert

Akron, OH

#27492 Sep 17, 2013
For real wrote:
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There you go, hearing voices. There were no hate speeches accept yours - every meeting you give another hate speech like it is your swan song but every meeting there you are again Steph. Man, get back on those meds please. Never been a hate speech by anyone but you left people. You are making up things again. Please stop, I am sick and tired of your lies.
Mrs. B has crossed the line of civility by running her mouth faster than her brain can re-arrange her prejudices and hatred toward everything good that is being accomplished by our reform minded Board of Education elected officials. Her cruel tactics of school government indoctrination (you must conform to status-quo because I said so) by pulling her "ex-military rank" joining with board member Don Miller, to project her oppressive
rule over the citizens of Springboro, have now come to an end in our public school board meetings.
Inquiring minds wonder what Don Miller's reaction would be in the public board meetings, IF, a concerned citizen spoke to the board at the beginning of the meeting, telling the board that WE THE PEOPLE will not tolerate potty mouth Mom hate speech in OUR boardroom, without yelling out "Objection" as she expounds her tunnel vision ignorance....
Synchronistic Wanderings

Dayton, OH

#27493 Sep 17, 2013
tellthetruth wrote:
Responsible taxpaying citizens should contact Clearcreek Township Administrator, Dennis Pickett, and ask that Mr. Kidd bring an apology to citizens at the next township government meeting.
Mr. Kidd should bring Mr. Vecchi's resignation, with an apology to Clearcreek/Springboro citizens for this unacceptable behavior.
How can we trust our Fire Chief's judgement for future decisions unless he makes the responsible decision to relieve Mr. Vecchi of his irresponsible public service?
"Find out just what thie people will submit to and you have found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them." - Frederick Douglass
The BEST approach to this problem is to RID ourselves of ED WADE, and NOT TO ELECT DALE LAMB.
They HIRED KIDD and promoted VECCHI. As for Pickett, well, anyone who HIDES behind a beard as NO credibility in my book. Besides, was he not leaving in July 2012 after ED WADE sold health insurance to the township employees for over 30 years and pocketed 1.2 million dollars?
Doesn't Doug W. have a beard? Kind of prejeduce don't you think? Funny I though Doug sounded kind of educated.
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#27494 Sep 17, 2013
Synchronistic Wanderings wrote:
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Doesn't Doug W. have a beard? Kind of prejeduce don't you think? Funny I though Doug sounded kind of educated.
Shhhh... I am hiding form the union.
reality

Cleveland, OH

#27495 Sep 17, 2013
Brain Drain Alert wrote:
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Mrs. B has crossed the line of civility by running her mouth faster than her brain can re-arrange her prejudices and hatred toward everything good that is being accomplished by our reform minded Board of Education elected officials.

Yet another line of civility was crossed the day bulldogs were first allowed to square off beneath her clothing.
Waste Watchers

Akron, OH

#27496 Sep 17, 2013
Synchronistic Wanderings wrote:
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Doesn't Doug W. have a beard? Kind of prejeduce don't you think? Funny I though Doug sounded kind of educated.
Personal appearances can change; and beards come and go....

The time has now come for all government leaders who waste our money to GO in the direction of .... OUT OF ELECTED OFFICE.
tellthetruth

Cleveland, OH

#27497 Sep 17, 2013
Personal appearances can change; and beards come and go....

The time has now come for all government leaders who waste our money to GO in the direction of .... OUT OF ELECTED OFFICE.

SO, If I hear you correctly, it is time for WADE and LAMB and Pickett and Wilhelm to go. They all have been in offce for decades and I would have to agree withyou. It is time to have a fresh set of eyes looking at how out tax payer money is spent. We would probably find that there is NO need for any tax increases and maybe a TAX CUT!

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#27498 Sep 17, 2013
pass that you are smoking so we can the pretty colors
tellthetruth wrote:
Personal appearances can change; and beards come and go....
The time has now come for all government leaders who waste our money to GO in the direction of .... OUT OF ELECTED OFFICE.
SO, If I hear you correctly, it is time for WADE and LAMB and Pickett and Wilhelm to go. They all have been in offce for decades and I would have to agree withyou. It is time to have a fresh set of eyes looking at how out tax payer money is spent. We would probably find that there is NO need for any tax increases and maybe a TAX CUT!
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#27499 Sep 17, 2013
In the past few decades we have seen a new tact develop in a floundering union system that today has become through legislation and opportunity increasingly irrelevant. A new strategy has evolved that is proving quite successful as public sector unions concentrate on smaller elected positions that control, in aggregate, where most tax revenues are spent in this country.

Most money is spent by obscure public utility commissions, police and fire commissions, port authorities, airport commissions, special districts, school districts, redevelopment districts, cities, and counties.

In Ohio,$57 billion dollars are spent at the local level compared with $62 billion dollars spent at the state government, often by elected officials who are virtually unknown to voters – those many names on the ballot that the typical voter skips over with no recognition whatsoever, as they search for their preferred big candidates running for higher office.

While many members of the fourth estate concentrate on the single source of state spending in Columbus, the myriad of local spending that amounts to just 10% less than the state total goes remarkably under reported.

Voters need to understand that the vast majority of government workers are employed by local agencies and districts that are managed by elected officials nobody’s heard of, EXCEPT for the UNIONS who SELECTED them, FINANCED them, and NOW NEGOTIATE WITH them.

That these unions almost always financially support partisan political parties is secondary to the fact they are acting in the public sector, which means there is a clear conflict of interests between their agenda – more pay, more benefits, more staff, more job security – and the interests of the public at large.

How the reformers of Springboro and Clearcreek Township fare this November bears watching.

Will unions claim control of the purse strings and work conditions, or not?
Waste Watchers

Akron, OH

#27500 Sep 17, 2013
When Demorats controlled the levers of power under legendary Speaker Riffe and Governor Celeste in 1983, they rammed through Ohio's pro-union collective bargaining law. That law, far more than any other piece of legislation, is responsible for the ever-increasing compensation package costs of government, especially at the local level. You may support those high costs, and believe taxpayers should foot the bill no matter how high those costs rise, but it is indisputable that public sector collective bargaining drove Ohio's state and local tax burden from among the lowest in the country to among the highest.
The system today is one in which the party leaders control who runs for office (or receives a vacancy appointment) and which pieces of legislation make it out of the legislature. Parties endorse candidates in primaries and then do all that they can do to eliminate primaries or guarantee their endorsed candidate prevails. As a result, legislators are indebted to the poitical party and leadership for their jobs and dependent upon them for reelection support.
This sytem, therefore, leads to the outcome you would expect when party control matters more than implementing the right policies. It frankly doesn't matter who is actually elected. The outcome is one in which timidity of action and nibbling around the margins of big issues predominates. The focus is on doing enough to claim the mantle of reform, but not too much so that the next election is at risk. It is a status quo system.
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#27501 Sep 17, 2013
Depends on who is hired by the voters.

Professionals or citizen soldiers?
Waste Watchers

Akron, OH

#27502 Sep 17, 2013
If you doubt that government labor unions are Ohio's most powerful interest, ponder this question: what business interest in Ohio has thrived over the last three decades without any legislation to curb its power or ability to operate? The answer, of course, is none. Labor unions are big business; and only the unions profit.

We are fortunate in our local school district to have reform minded elected officials; And citizen soldiers fighting to protect our winning agenda of fixing budgets and levy alternatives,
vs. hostile union school board candidates seeking to re-instate Ron Malone's status quo union first
agenda, leaving our kids' best interest behind. financial interest.

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#27503 Sep 18, 2013
Waste Watchers wrote:
If you doubt that government labor unions are Ohio's most powerful interest, ponder this question: what business interest in Ohio has thrived over the last three decades without any legislation to curb its power or ability to operate? The answer, of course, is none. Labor unions are big business; and only the unions profit.
We are fortunate in our local school district to have reform minded elected officials; And citizen soldiers fighting to protect our winning agenda of fixing budgets and levy alternatives,
vs. hostile union school board candidates seeking to re-instate Ron Malone's status quo union first
agenda, leaving our kids' best interest behind. financial interest.
i agree with your statement
Stay Alert Voters

Akron, OH

#27504 Sep 18, 2013
Thank You Kelly wrote:
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Our Springboro Education Association members and Parents
For S-U-R-E that are embarrassed because our BOE President, Kelly Kohls, is In The News, should read the comparison of Michigan news in the above post vs what is said in Ohio about Springboro Schools. The following is from Letters to the editor in the Dayton Daily News, August 18, 2013.
Springboro citizens should thank Kohls
Re “Kohls won’t run for re-election,” Aug, 8:
A renewal levy with a decrease? Unheard of, except in Springboro, Ohio.District citizens should thank Springboro school president Kelly Kohls and board members David Petroni and Jim Rigano for the courage and tenacity exhibited in putting the district’s finances in order while still improving the education of their students. The teachers union and their supporters opposed them at every turn. Common sense and fiscal accountability finally prevailed. A word to the wise: When voting in November for a replacement, keep in mind the belief that put your district into financial difficulty to begin with. That result? Five defeated tax increase levies. The belief: There’s no end to dunning taxpayers for more, using the false mantra “It’s for the kids.”
-Thomas Subler,Versailles
Private sector Ohioans already carry a heavy burden of taxes, have job prospects grimmer than any time since the Great Depression, have homes continuing to decrease in value, and have retirement accounts hit by the stock market declines. Public sector unions wield enormous power and influence, as the most entrenched interest in America and the single largest spenders on elections in America.
Lessoning the power of pubic sector union does not mean balancing the budget on the backs of government workers. It just means placing them in the same shoes their private sector neighbors have been walking in for far too long.
People in this community should ask ourselves if school board candidates Ron Malone and David Stuckey (both of whom are retired career professional educators) are not so deeply embedded in their personal benefits of status quo collective bargaining rights, that they are incapable of seeing that their past expertise in education is all wrong for our kids. Isn't the school board campaign of Ron Malone, David Stuckey, and Charles Anderson all about loyalty and power to unionism; at the great cost of leaving our kids left behind?

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