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Our recommendation: Springboro voters should say 'yes' the first time to school levies

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Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#27363 Sep 13, 2013
Question Everything wrote:
<quoted text>
Good Question!
Springboro citizens generously financially support our school superintendent and staff of professional educators to "instruct in an ACCURATE manner based upon...."
So why are we hearing, in public board meetings, the defiance of one of our school employees, Gail Dauber, who argues she is accountable to NO ONE, to teach anything except what is based on HER biased and political opinions? Where is the responsibility in that leadership influence upon the minds of our young people?
And WHY is Gail Dauber rewarded for her poor performances in the board room (in front of the entire community of taxpayers) with THREE supplemental contracts INCREASING her supplemental pay "three fold?"
Approval to Employ Supplemental Personnel Gail Dauber:
HS - Mock Trial $1,514.00
HS - Social Studies Dept. Head $2,270.00
HS - Senior Class Advisor $1,651.00
Which one of our school district leaders approved these supplemental pay increases for Gail Dauber, then sent them to the pubic board meeting to be liberally rubber stamped?
I am sure these are all incredibly important positions within the school hierarchy, but exactly what does a Senior Class Advisor do that is worth $1651?
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#27364 Sep 13, 2013
Do your homework wrote:
<quoted text>
Ask the BOE who voted for it. Some people wonder what's wrong with the current BOE, looks like you just found 1 reason for a change.
Great idea, make sure you put union members in there to determine what other innovative ways they can funnel more money out the back door to the union.

Sheer genius.
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#27365 Sep 13, 2013
Do your homework wrote:
<quoted text>
Make up your mind. Does the "liberal" media have a bias or not? If they do, then they will keep showing up as long as it goes on. It sells papers.
Actually, it is why many are failing and disappearing.

Other avenues of information are now readily available and the old line news organizations have been late recognizing that point.
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#27366 Sep 13, 2013
Do your homework wrote:
<quoted text>
Good god tell it to Schweikart, he brought it up. The stock market is now at it's highest it's ever been. It was just under 8,000 when Obama took office. It has climbed over 7,000 during the Obama presidency (almost doubling). But I'm guessing you'll find a way to not give him credit for that.
Let the partison rant begin....GO
The stock market rising is a result of a couple of things, number one interest rates at on money markets in the less than 1% range cause people to look elsewhere for better returns. Result money flows out of money markets into stocks in search of greater profits.

Bonds work in an inverse relationship to inflation or the threat of inflation. Higher inflation or threat of inflation equals lower bond pricing so investment nets an equal return or greater to compensate for the effects of inflation.

Exponentially increasing the money supply has added many new dollars without the corresponding assets to back them up. More money available for investment means more money bidding on the scarce assets, price goes up.

Ultimately the economy will begin to pick up steam again and inflation will raise its ugly head, interest rates will have to rise to contain its fury, money will flow out of risky stock market investments into safer money markets.

Rinse and repeat.

Aside from artificially increasing the money supply no new value has been created. Ask anyone who bought a house in 2008 if they are getting their money out of it again.
No Doubt

Akron, OH

#27367 Sep 13, 2013
Do your homework wrote:
<quoted text>
How RIGHT you are. Republican's do NO wrong. Each and every one of them is honest, truthful and has never done anything wrong.
BTW. You're post may need some "fact checking"...
"This elaborate collection of falsehoods is so detailed that we believe it must be an intentional and malicious effort at disinformation. It grafts some new whoppers on top of a list that we debunked in April 2004, in a special report we called "Lies in the E-mail, Part 2." The earlier version, we said, was "full of laughably inaccurate claims," and this one is worse."
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/03/fdrs-volunta...
Do your homework.
No Doubt, Do Your Homework, but don't assume that what you see and think represents the world at large.(Or, even the Springboro
taxpayers at large).

Your firmly held beliefs are recognized; but you need to Do Your Homework that helps you learn that others may hold different beliefs just as firmly.

"Every man takes the limits of his own field of vision for the limits of the world." - Arthur Schopenhauer

.....America is not a Christian nation is his own field of vision that our current President of this Great Nation takes to the world...

.....God has no place in this country is his own field of vision that our SHS Student of Social Studies takes to the community of Springboro.
partisan

Xenia, OH

#27368 Sep 13, 2013
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
<quoted text>
The stock market rising is a result of a couple of things, number one interest rates at on money markets in the less than 1% range cause people to look elsewhere for better returns. Result money flows out of money markets into stocks in search of greater profits.
Bonds work in an inverse relationship to inflation or the threat of inflation. Higher inflation or threat of inflation equals lower bond pricing so investment nets an equal return or greater to compensate for the effects of inflation.
Exponentially increasing the money supply has added many new dollars without the corresponding assets to back them up. More money available for investment means more money bidding on the scarce assets, price goes up.
Ultimately the economy will begin to pick up steam again and inflation will raise its ugly head, interest rates will have to rise to contain its fury, money will flow out of risky stock market investments into safer money markets.
Rinse and repeat.
Aside from artificially increasing the money supply no new value has been created. Ask anyone who bought a house in 2008 if they are getting their money out of it again.
bottom line...when interest rates start going up, the stock market will start to fall after being pumped up by the FED.
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#27369 Sep 13, 2013
Do your homework wrote:
<quoted text>

Even more interesting is what his students say about him. He's great as long as you don't try to bring up contradictory FACTS in his class. So much for presenting "both sides" bet he's not much for "controversial issues".
He should have fit right in with the union crowd at large because that seems to be their modus operandi.

Isn't that what they are complaining about, having to hear another viewpoint and perhaps defend their own?
Question Everything

Akron, OH

#27370 Sep 13, 2013
Do your homework wrote:
<quoted text>
How RIGHT you are. Republican's do NO wrong. Each and every one of them is honest, truthful and has never done anything wrong.
BTW. You're post may need some "fact checking"...
"This elaborate collection of falsehoods is so detailed that we believe it must be an intentional and malicious effort at disinformation. It grafts some new whoppers on top of a list that we debunked in April 2004, in a special report we called "Lies in the E-mail, Part 2." The earlier version, we said, was "full of laughably inaccurate claims," and this one is worse."
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/03/fdrs-volunta...
Do your homework.
Inquiry minds believe Your posts may need some means testing for accuracy -- You may think you are sharing ideas; but aren't you really just rearranging your prejudices?
Do your homework

Tipp City, OH

#27371 Sep 13, 2013
Question Everything wrote:
<quoted text>
Inquiry minds believe Your posts may need some means testing for accuracy -- You may think you are sharing ideas; but aren't you really just rearranging your prejudices?
factcheck.org , you're questioning factcheck.org for disproving a conservative letter that has been written and re-written and still is baseless in fact.

I guess the only facts are those that you find or choose to believe. Why don't you take factcheck.org to task on their accuracy. And you call me prejudice? Wow...

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#27372 Sep 14, 2013
news reporting is a typye of spin doctoring a good example is larry budds reporting up to 5 years ago he spun the good for the BOE on the need money get levy thought process in the past 4 years that thory has been shown to lack grounds and he has attacked this BOEs methods press can spun to fit the view you must look all views
Speak up Boro

Springfield, OH

#27373 Sep 14, 2013
One thing that is sticking to Springboro is that we have our own Housewives of Springboro.
Our Housewives are Babb, Bendaman, Christian and Robinson. Maybe ABC will pick them up for a series, I am sure entertained by them. They are all working for the Malone, Stucky, Anderson ticket. Guess that tells me a lot already.
Speak up Boro

Springfield, OH

#27374 Sep 14, 2013
Twp resident wrote:
Schweikart's presentation last evening was very professional. No "hate speech" there whatsoever. Quite obviously, the B woman and Miller made fools out of themselves. Maybe next time, they'll hold their respective reviews until AFTER the presentation.
It was interesting to see a number of quizzical and outright shocked expessions on the faces of certain liberal audience members when Schweikart correctly utilized historical inflation comparisons to put "Reagan's debt" into an accurate perspective. America's overall debt was exponentially higher in the years immediately after WWII. This is not political slant. This is fact.
It is an absolute pity that Springboro's curriculum is so politically jaded that students are restricted in their potential growth in that they do not have access to accurate/unbiased historical information.
I don't hear what Miller even says. I hear badeeanumbasisdofmenskldk from Miller on the TV when I watch the meetings. Does he actually even say something intelligent?
good info

Springfield, OH

#27375 Sep 14, 2013
history lesson 4 liberals wrote:
When Franklin D. Roosevelt, a Democrat, introduced the Social Security (FICA) Program. He promised:
1.) That participation in the Program would be
Completely voluntary...It is no longer voluntary.
2.) That the participants would only have to pay
1% of the first $1,400 of their annual incomes into the Program ...Now 7.65% on the first $90,000
3.) That money participants elected to put
into the Program would be deductible from
their income for tax purposes each year...No longer tax deductible
4.) That money participants put into the Program would go to an independent 'Trust Fund' rather than into the General Operating Fund. Therefore FDR had intended for this money to be used to fund the Social Security Retirement Program and no other Government program....Under L.B. Johnson, the money was moved to the General Fund
5.) That the annuity payments to the retirees would never be taxed as income...Since Clinton/Gore, up to 85% of your Social Security can be Taxed
__________
Since many of us have paid into FICA for years and are now receiving a Social Security check every month -- and then finding that we are getting taxed on 85% of the money we paid to the Federal government to 'put away'-- you may be interested in the following:
----------
Q: Which Political Party took Social Security from the independent 'Trust Fund' and put it into the
general fund so that Congress could spend it?
A: It was Lyndon Johnson and the democratically
controlled House and Senate.
----------
Q: Which Political Party eliminated the income tax
deduction for Social Security (FICA) withholding?
A: The Democratic Party.
----------
Q: Which Political Party started taxing Social
Security annuities?
A: The Democratic Party, with Al Gore casting the
'tie-breaking' deciding vote as President of the
Senate, while he was Vice President of the US
----------
Q: Which Political Party decided to start
giving annuity payments to immigrants?
A: Jimmy Carter and the Democratic Party.
Immigrants moved into this country, and at age 65,
began to receive Social Security payments! The
Democratic Party gave these payments to them,
even though they never paid a dime into it!
----------
Then, after violating the original contract (FICA),
the Democrats turn around and tell you that it's the Republicans who want to take your Social Security away! What's the worst part about it? Uninformed citizens believe it!
If enough people receive this, maybe a seed of
awareness will be planted and changes will
evolve. Maybe not, because some Democrats are awfully sure of what isn't so.
This is all worth repeating. Can you reference this so we can share it?
good info

Springfield, OH

#27376 Sep 14, 2013
Last night I was at Octoberfest and heard the SMA campaign group say they wanted to bring back sanity to Springboro Schools. Does anyone know what that means? How do you define SANITY
1. Taking money from the Federal govt. for a HSTW program but instead of raising your academic bar as was required for the program, you lower your students success in the High School by keeping students out of accelerated programs, i.e. PSEO, AP, Dual credit and keeping a lower track of academics while every other schools did away with this track. See both the 2010 HSTW audit and the ESC audit from 2012. The 2012 Audit reports that from 2010-2012 Springboro went backwards in progress in accelerating student achievement. Our district was losing ground in this county as Lebanon and Waynesville passed us up.
2. High School remedial rates rose from 2008-2010 to where one in four of our students needed remedial math or English to get into college.(In Springboro where 40% are supposedly "Gited".)
3. Working hard to pass 5 unnecessary levies while reducing jobs and goods and services for Springboro children. All while smiling real big for the camera. Yes you did remember some names of your students.(how do you smile at a student while holding a weapon to their parents? demanding money?)
4. Letting teachers tell students to "read their books" "shut up", while they read the newspaper and talk on their phones.
5. Let employees fall asleep during meetings and evaluations, with only students to wake them.
I just really need to know, Is this Sanity?
Now, here is a debate worth doing.
Tell It Like It Is

Akron, OH

#27377 Sep 14, 2013
Do your homework wrote:
<quoted text>
factcheck.org , you're questioning factcheck.org for disproving a conservative letter that has been written and re-written and still is baseless in fact.
I guess the only facts are those that you find or choose to believe. Why don't you take factcheck.org to task on their accuracy. And you call me prejudice? Wow...
You Betcha!- You Are Prejudiced!

Your posts reject all ideas that are outside your old outdated 1983 Collective Bargaining Laws, that give our SEA teachers the right to emotionally blackmail taxpayers for increased union employees' increases in pay and compensation/benefits packages;
while holding our parents hostage over things like walking out on our kid's classroom education, threatening brain drain and great loss of property value, IF Springboro families and taxpaying homeowners do not pay the "ransom" and save our little children! The SEA tries using our students like little "pawns" moving them from one interest to another in course studies in the SEA's efforts to create more job opportunities for union teachers.
Our former high school principal was the Master of Manipulation of the high school program of studies, serving the SEA's first interest of creating jobs for union teachers, instead of using our school tax dollars to create opportunities for our students first interest of individual highest academic potential.
Now we have school board candidates Ron MaloneDavid StuckeyCharles Anderson joined as a collective voice to gain control of our successful Children's First Budget, so that our school tax dollars can be handed over to put the re-emphasis on union employees interest first, of increased benefits to the union employees, leaving our kids left behind with our former high school principal's PAST experience as a professional educator.
Where's the responsible education in Ron Malone's agenda of business as usual for our 21st Century classroom educational needs?
Homework

Springfield, OH

#27378 Sep 14, 2013
Do Your Homework please do your homework. I know it is hard to believe but the whole Howard Zinn book is required reading for AP History, not two chapters. All 700 pages of American shame is required, 4 chapters this summer and the rest during the semester. A shameful, inaccurate book that leaves out most of American History if it is positive. These poor kids are left to think they should be embarrassed about their heritage. These kids who did not enslave anyone, these kids parents did not enslave anyone in fact, I would bet that 100% of these kids have no slavery in their background but, more likely have persecution in their heritage but are left to feel guilty for slavery because their skin is white. Just because their skin is white they are being blamed for atrocities. This is like saying that if your heritage is German you are directly responsible for the holocaust.
If your skin is black you are responsible for the atrocities of the past in Africa.

Just because these kids skin is white they are made to feel that they owe everyone. Where is the fairness here? It is time to say stop torching my kids because of the color of their skin. I'll tell you the KKK has nothing on the American public education system.

Discrimination is bad we should not do it. Stop the white shame campaign, stop hurting our kids help them understand that History has some heroic and some bad things that happened and some we do not want to repeat but, history is not to be blamed or credited to them. These kids need to set their own History using what happened in the past to help guide them. Stop blaming these poor kids-what is your purpose?

American public education is perpetrating crimes on our kids-hate crimes. These kids are being bullied and the parents don't even know it. You kids are being told that they are bad, should be ashamed, should feel sorry for everyone but themselves, they owe everyone for the bad of the past and should take no credit for the good of their fore fathers and that faith has nothing to do with day to day life.
.
Homework

Springfield, OH

#27379 Sep 14, 2013
Vote wisely this November-do you want past practices to continue? Past practices where children are seen as little soldiers for the "people". To recruit soldiers you must convince them that they are not to follow their leaders (church and parents) they are to reject these authorities and join the new "peoples" troops. Have you ever heard of the "Peoples" anything?
Peoples Republic of China, etc...

I suggest everyone that wants to protect their kids from the bullies pull your kids out of this system and find a system that does not bully them and actually requires they spend their time in productive work and especially in true American History, to learn the United States Constitution from reputable sources not found in Springboro Schools.
Tell It Like It Is

Akron, OH

#27380 Sep 14, 2013
Speak up Boro wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't hear what Miller even says. I hear badeeanumbasisdofmenskldk from Miller on the TV when I watch the meetings. Does he actually even say something intelligent?
Some people get so entrenched in the old philosophy of status quo business as usual that itÂ’s tough to get them to think whether or not something is going to help the kids.

Actually, Mr. Miller is the last of the good old BOE boys holding on to the diminishing hope and prayer to re-instate the failed practices of our former high school principal, Ron Malone, as good old school board bully in chief. That's Not Going To Happen in November 2013. Regardless of which way in the wrong way the November school board elections turn out, Springboro citizens have been thoroughly grounded in the education of our Ohio School Board Leadership Council; and our citizens will not allow our elected officials on the school board to return to the status quo Ohio School Boards Association agenda of "creating a fake budget crisis and then promoting a continuous stream of new levies to pay increased wages and benefits to union employees.
Mr. Miller contributres nothing constructive nor productive in our school board meetings, he just mumbles agreement with whatever opposition is bullying our school board president.

However, we can find something good to say about Mr. Miller He is leaving the board room at the end of this year. Special Thanks are due Mr. Miller, Mrs. Kull, Mr. Petroni, Mr. Rigano, and Mrs. Kohls for their amazing achievements of doing what's right for our school community and our community of taxpaying homeowners.
Why not Celebrate Our Success of this unprecedented financial position of Renewal Levy with Slight Reduction to All Springboro Families AND Increased Pay for All our School Employees!
And at the August 29th school board meeting, didn't our school superintendent (our highest paid school employee ever in Springboro) bring a recommendation to our Board of Education to approve increased pay for our his administrative staff?

Why in the world would school board candidates Ron Malone, David Stuckey, and Charles Anderson question the direction in which our current Board of Education representatives are leading our school district?
Tell It Like It Is

Akron, OH

#27381 Sep 14, 2013
See Ron Run wrote:
As you may know, Neighbors for Springboro Status Quo's mission is to help our SEA achieve stronger funding, in particular through advocating for the passage of school levies. We would not be doing our job of keeping our children first left behind, if we failed to question the reform-minded board's recent reduction of the the renewal levy.
Deeply embedded in the tunnel vision of the boro small-minded box, we wonder why the board would give both the SEA and the Taxpayers a fair deal, making it a win-win issue for all. Why would the board give us a fair deal, when we believe the SEA could have taken the full 9.2 million for SEA pay increases, and the wealthy taxpaying homeowners would not have minded at all! Who among us wealthy ones does not want to sacrifice our own family's future to make sure we are investing enough money to bribe our union teachers to stay in their classrooms? As Neighbors for Springboro Status Quo, our mission demands that an Emergency levy will be needed down the road, and the bottom line is that Malone/Stuckey/Anderson are RUNNING to gain control of this fiscal responsible BOE majority; and return the Renewal levy money to its rightful owners, re-emphasing the inflated VALUE of the SEA educator, employed in Springboro schools. Run Ron Run!
Who among us Springbororians united for responsible education would vote for re-instating the irresponsible leadership and failed educational practices of our former high school principal, Dr. Malone? Isn't Dr. Malone prescribing an un-healthy financial
choice for our quality classroom education by campaigning to put the re-emphasis on the financial gains of the union first? cription for failueRon Malonelof re-instating Uni voters would even consider
First Things First

Akron, OH

#27382 Sep 14, 2013
Homework wrote:
Do Your Homework please do your homework. I know it is hard to believe but the whole Howard Zinn book is required reading for AP History, not two chapters. All 700 pages of American shame is required, 4 chapters this summer and the rest during the semester. A shameful, inaccurate book that leaves out most of American History if it is positive. These poor kids are left to think they should be embarrassed about their heritage. These kids who did not enslave anyone, these kids parents did not enslave anyone in fact, I would bet that 100% of these kids have no slavery in their background but, more likely have persecution in their heritage but are left to feel guilty for slavery because their skin is white. Just because their skin is white they are being blamed for atrocities. This is like saying that if your heritage is German you are directly responsible for the holocaust.
If your skin is black you are responsible for the atrocities of the past in Africa.
Just because these kids skin is white they are made to feel that they owe everyone. Where is the fairness here? It is time to say stop torching my kids because of the color of their skin. I'll tell you the KKK has nothing on the American public education system.
Discrimination is bad we should not do it. Stop the white shame campaign, stop hurting our kids help them understand that History has some heroic and some bad things that happened and some we do not want to repeat but, history is not to be blamed or credited to them. These kids need to set their own History using what happened in the past to help guide them. Stop blaming these poor kids-what is your purpose?
American public education is perpetrating crimes on our kids-hate crimes. These kids are being bullied and the parents don't even know it. You kids are being told that they are bad, should be ashamed, should feel sorry for everyone but themselves, they owe everyone for the bad of the past and should take no credit for the good of their fore fathers and that faith has nothing to do with day to day life.
.
FIRST THINGS FIRST -- Stay Alert Parents!

Check the Pride Survey on the school website and Take Action to protect Your Child from being bullied into this "shame on you and your parents" Intrusive Interrogation by Big Brother government schooling attempts to protect your child from being "bullied!"
Call your child's school and tell the school that your child will not be participating in the Pride Survey. It's a Matter of Individual "Principle."
Please take time to read the entire posting of all information about this Pride Survey and you will learn that the purpose of this Pride Survey is to spread awareness throughout our community and indoctrinate our minds with the Big Brother lies that we are our brothers' keepers, financially, as co-dependents of their individual addictions to drugs, alcohol, gambling, etc. and that we ALL must collectively share in the big government entitlements that financially support ALL our Brothers' bad decisions and poor choices of self-destructive choices.

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