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Doesn't it "sell papers" only to those who buy into the liberal collective bias of the media?
Independent thinkers inform ourselves to attack liberal issues that threaten our principles of fiscal responsibility; we don't try to keep others down; thus allow our weaker nature to become meaner and smaller than our best selves.
Independent thinkers do not feel that someone else ALWAYS has to lose in order for us to win!
"You can only protect your liberties in this world by protecting the other man's freedom. You can only be free if I am free."
-Clarence Darrow
So you are saying the only issue that threten our principles are Liberal issues? That's close-minded. Do you ever question conservatives? Isn't that a Librals ALWAYS lose attitude? You should re-read your post.
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Virtually every child plays soccer in gym classes, yet at the same time each school has organized (voluntary) soccer teams.
Children play touch football on the playground, yet each school has organized (voluntary) football squads.
This same logic applies to debate clubs. Debate clubs are meant for a higher echelon of skill.
Do not attempt to departmentalize our childrens success.
In order to be able to have a chance at success in this global economy, each and every student should learn the basic ins and outs of debate. Debate skills are needed all the time, from convincing a banker of your credibility during a car or home purchase, or negotiating contract terms on a personal loan.
Oftentimes, a rebuttal is brought up that there's not enough time in the curriculum to add things like student debate. My answer to that - how many times per year does Springboro schools have stupid 1 hour "late start" days? Get rid of late start days! If and when a meeting is necessary, Boro teachers need to be doing what teachers did two and three generations ago, and that's COME TO SCHOOL EARLY or STAY LATER.
There! I just freed up about five or six hours worth of debate time for our students!
I could agree with getting rid of "late start" days. Also I appreicate the fact that in your debate examples you cited more worth-while debates than evolution vs. creation. Nice compromise, now let's convice the other 10 people on this site :)
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turkee power wrote:
Franklin Roosevelt, a Democrat, introduced the Social
Security (FICA) Program. He promised:
1.) That participation in the Program would be
Completely voluntary, No longer Voluntary
2.) That the participants would only have to pay
1% of the first $1,400 of their annual
Incomes into the Program, Now 7.65%
on the first $90,000
3.) That the money the participants elected to put
into the Program would be deductible from
their income for tax purposes each year, No longer tax deductible
4.) That the money the participants put into the
independent 'Trust Fund' rather than into the
general operating fund, and therefore, would
only be used to fund the Social Security
Retirement Program, and no other
Government program, and,
Under Johnson the money was moved to
The General Fund and Spent
5.) That the annuity payments to the retirees would never be taxed as income.
Under Clinton & Gore
Up to 85% of your Social Security can be Taxed
Since many of us have paid into FICA for years and are now receiving a Social Security check every month -- and then finding that we are getting taxed on 85% of the money we paid to the Federal government to 'put away'-- you may be interested in the following:
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Q: Which Political Party took Social Security from the independent 'Trust Fund' and put it into the
general fund so that Congress could spend it?
A: It was Lyndon Johnson and the democratically
controlled House and Senate.
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Q: Which Political Party eliminated the income tax
deduction for Social Security (FICA) withholding?
A: The Democratic Party.
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Q: Which Political Party started taxing Social
Security annuities?
A: The Democratic Party, with Al Gore casting the
'tie-breaking' deciding vote as President of the
Senate, while he was Vice President of the US
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Q: Which Political Party decided to start
giving annuity payments to immigrants?
AND MY FAVORITE:
A: That's right!
Jimmy Carter and the Democratic Party.
Immigrants moved into this country, and at age 65,
began to receive Social Security payments! The
Democratic Party gave these payments to them,
even though they never paid a dime into it!
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Then, after violating the original contract (FICA),
the Democrats turn around and tell you that the Republicans want to take your Social Security away!
And the worst part about it is uninformed citizens believe it!
If enough people receive this, maybe a seed of
awareness will be planted and maybe changes will
evolve. Maybe not, some Democrats are awfully
sure of what isn't so.
"Do not look back in anger, or forward in fear, but around in awareness." - James Thurber
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It is an absolute pity that Springboro's curriculum is so politically jaded that students are restricted in their potential growth in that they do not have access to accurate/unbiased historical information.
What's worse is how clueless the parents are and think they are getting the truth. All they are getting is the government's version of the truth.
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I could agree with getting rid of "late start" days. Also I appreicate the fact that in your debate examples you cited more worth-while debates than evolution vs. creation. Nice compromise, now let's convice the other 10 people on this site :)
that's funny! Why haven't you brought your disagreements of late start days to the board room? There is no compromise.

"Truth is always exciting! Speak It, then; .... Life is dull without it." -Pearl S. Buck

(Did anyone else notice the dullness in the high school student's testimony on behalf of Gail Dauber's indoctrination that God has no place in this country? So sad to see our future leaders of this Great Nation of America so cynical and negative at such a young age!)

Again, there will be NO compromise in the teaching of the good, bad and ugly TRUTH of our Great American History, as accurately as humanly possible (which is flawed at best!)
-- No liberal/no conservative/no compromise on doing what's right for our children's 21st century quality classroom education, which is funded so generously for ALL our school employees, by ALL Springboro families and taxpaying homeowners.
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"Do not look back in anger, or forward in fear, but around in awareness." - James Thurber
How RIGHT you are. Republican's do NO wrong. Each and every one of them is honest, truthful and has never done anything wrong.

BTW. You're post may need some "fact checking"...

"This elaborate collection of falsehoods is so detailed that we believe it must be an intentional and malicious effort at disinformation. It grafts some new whoppers on top of a list that we debunked in April 2004, in a special report we called "Lies in the E-mail, Part 2." The earlier version, we said, was "full of laughably inaccurate claims," and this one is worse."

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/03/fdrs-volunta...

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When Franklin D. Roosevelt, a Democrat, introduced the Social Security (FICA) Program. He promised:

1.) That participation in the Program would be
Completely voluntary...It is no longer voluntary.

2.) That the participants would only have to pay
1% of the first $1,400 of their annual incomes into the Program ...Now 7.65% on the first $90,000

3.) That money participants elected to put
into the Program would be deductible from
their income for tax purposes each year...No longer tax deductible

4.) That money participants put into the Program would go to an independent 'Trust Fund' rather than into the General Operating Fund. Therefore FDR had intended for this money to be used to fund the Social Security Retirement Program and no other Government program....Under L.B. Johnson, the money was moved to the General Fund

5.) That the annuity payments to the retirees would never be taxed as income...Since Clinton/Gore, up to 85% of your Social Security can be Taxed
__________

Since many of us have paid into FICA for years and are now receiving a Social Security check every month -- and then finding that we are getting taxed on 85% of the money we paid to the Federal government to 'put away'-- you may be interested in the following:

----------
Q: Which Political Party took Social Security from the independent 'Trust Fund' and put it into the
general fund so that Congress could spend it?
A: It was Lyndon Johnson and the democratically
controlled House and Senate.

----------
Q: Which Political Party eliminated the income tax
deduction for Social Security (FICA) withholding?
A: The Democratic Party.
----------

Q: Which Political Party started taxing Social
Security annuities?
A: The Democratic Party, with Al Gore casting the
'tie-breaking' deciding vote as President of the
Senate, while he was Vice President of the US
----------

Q: Which Political Party decided to start
giving annuity payments to immigrants?

A: Jimmy Carter and the Democratic Party.
Immigrants moved into this country, and at age 65,
began to receive Social Security payments! The
Democratic Party gave these payments to them,
even though they never paid a dime into it!
----------

Then, after violating the original contract (FICA),
the Democrats turn around and tell you that it's the Republicans who want to take your Social Security away! What's the worst part about it? Uninformed citizens believe it!
If enough people receive this, maybe a seed of
awareness will be planted and changes will
evolve. Maybe not, because some Democrats are awfully sure of what isn't so.
Stay Focused

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"Do not look back in anger, or forward in fear, but around in awareness." - James Thurber
……in the direction of leadership
By David Petroni

The 2013 Board of Education campaign is taking shape in Springboro, and there is a clear theme emerging from three of the candidates. The opposition’s run for school board seems to be fueled by fear. It is dark and angry — promising to bring calm to a storm.
The problem with their platform is that there is no storm.
If there is a sense of turbulence in our community, it has been manufactured by those who oppose change, wish to suffocate debates they would surely lose, and return to the days of endless levies, punitive actions against our citizens, and never ending financial emergencies within the district.
Why would our community want to do that?
An accurate look at the past reveals:
&#61607;Five failed levies
&#61607;Fees raised, busing cut, and staff reduced
&#61607;Buses neglected compromising student safety
&#61607;The district failed to purchase books, technology and buses
&#61607;A technology plan that was an uncontrolled mixture of items that did not work together costing approx.$200,000 to fix
&#61607;Waste of $170,000 in textbooks that were never distributed or used
&#61607;Maintenance deferred to the detriment of district buildings, staff and children
&#61607;The rigor of the high school program of studies was reduced (Education Service Center audit report)
&#61607;Promotion of the failing euphemism “Proficient” as the standard to be attained by our children
&#61607;Fewer students took advantage of AP and other early college credit opportunities
&#61607;A “D” grade on gifted intervention from the state
&#61607;A “C” grade on the lowest 20% in achievement from the state
Now, an accurate look at today reveals:
&#61607;A balanced, children-first budget
&#61607;Lower fees, busing restored, staff restored
&#61607;“Efficiency” plans that directed resources to gifted and reading intervention for this year (before release of the state report card)
&#61607;New curriculum designed to surpass state minimum standards
&#61607;Additional teachers and aides hired
&#61607;Opened preschool / early learning center
&#61607;A/P courses expanded in areas that make sense
&#61607;Dual Credit classes to be added at high school allowing students to gain college credit while in high school
&#61607;New emphasis on PSEO program, which allows students to attend college while in high school for full college credit
&#61607;Coordinated technology plan so everything works with one another
&#61607;Wireless access for every building
&#61607;New laptops to every teacher. More than 1,100 new computers throughout the district
&#61607;Renewal levy set to a lower millage rate to give back more than $1.3 million per year to our community
-continued
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Why would our community want to go back to the past? We have sought to change the status quo, and that is difficult, but debate does not equal harm. The politically correct tenet that spirited discussion is harmful stifles new ideas. When a blanket of suppression covers the conversation, the only sure losers will be our community and the children we serve.
Educate Springboro looks to the future–using the knowledge of the past, but with direction toward a goal. While the Board of Education has made missteps in the past year and a half, they were made in a public and transparent fashion. This transparency allowed the community to engage and round out our actions to reflect their wishes and desires. It produced better, more properly vetted ideas and actions, and our schools are better for it. When we work together and talk to each other about the issues, better solutions are developed.
Our leadership is navigating us away from the repeated failures of the past and toward a better future for our schools. We are leading with a goal to provide every Springboro child the opportunity to acquire all the knowledge and intellectual skills they possibly can. It has been our desire to remove all barriers that might restrain them from their innate desire to inquire, explore, and absorb everything they can. Looking to the past, copying failed policies, and fearing change does not remove barriers to improvement, it imposes them.
We’ve built a financial foundation on the principle of fiscal responsibility. We’ll continue to make changes that make sense; for example, eliminating underutilized courses to fill needs in other areas. We won’t propose new classes just to fill an employee’s schedule and avoid a difficult decision. We won’t continue relationships with service providers that don’t provide the best value just because working with them has been past practice. We’ll continue to demand integrity and ethics from everyone we work with from boosters to vendors, from students to administrators.
Common sense, ethics and sound financial decisions guide Educate Springboro. Share this with your friends and neighbors.
The fear of change will not chase our community back into the darkness of previously failed practices.
Let’s stay on this new course and move in the direction of leadership for our children, schools and community.
visit http://educatespringboro.org/ .
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history lesson 4 liberals wrote:
When Franklin D. Roosevelt, a Democrat, introduced the Social Security (FICA) Program. He promised:
1.) That participation in the Program would be
Completely voluntary...It is no longer voluntary.
2.) That the participants would only have to pay
1% of the first $1,400 of their annual incomes into the Program ...Now 7.65% on the first $90,000
3.) That money participants elected to put
into the Program would be deductible from
their income for tax purposes each year...No longer tax deductible
4.) That money participants put into the Program would go to an independent 'Trust Fund' rather than into the General Operating Fund. Therefore FDR had intended for this money to be used to fund the Social Security Retirement Program and no other Government program....Under L.B. Johnson, the money was moved to the General Fund
5.) That the annuity payments to the retirees would never be taxed as income...Since Clinton/Gore, up to 85% of your Social Security can be Taxed
__________
Since many of us have paid into FICA for years and are now receiving a Social Security check every month -- and then finding that we are getting taxed on 85% of the money we paid to the Federal government to 'put away'-- you may be interested in the following:
----------
Q: Which Political Party took Social Security from the independent 'Trust Fund' and put it into the
general fund so that Congress could spend it?
A: It was Lyndon Johnson and the democratically
controlled House and Senate.
----------
Q: Which Political Party eliminated the income tax
deduction for Social Security (FICA) withholding?
A: The Democratic Party.
----------
Q: Which Political Party started taxing Social
Security annuities?
A: The Democratic Party, with Al Gore casting the
'tie-breaking' deciding vote as President of the
Senate, while he was Vice President of the US
----------
Q: Which Political Party decided to start
giving annuity payments to immigrants?
A: Jimmy Carter and the Democratic Party.
Immigrants moved into this country, and at age 65,
began to receive Social Security payments! The
Democratic Party gave these payments to them,
even though they never paid a dime into it!
----------
Then, after violating the original contract (FICA),
the Democrats turn around and tell you that it's the Republicans who want to take your Social Security away! What's the worst part about it? Uninformed citizens believe it!
If enough people receive this, maybe a seed of
awareness will be planted and changes will
evolve. Maybe not, because some Democrats are awfully sure of what isn't so.
"This elaborate collection of falsehoods is so detailed that we believe it must be an intentional and malicious effort at disinformation. It grafts some new whoppers on top of a list that we debunked in April 2004, in a special report we called "Lies in the E-mail, Part 2." The earlier version, we said, was "full of laughably inaccurate claims," and this one is worse."

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/03/fdrs-volunta ...

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Lerxst wrote:
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What's worse is how clueless the parents are and think they are getting the truth. All they are getting is the government's version of the truth.
What's a lot worse than misinformed parents? The millions of apathetic parents who don't care enough to have involvement whatsoever with their children's studies or curriculum content.

Many of today's liberal educators really like apathetic non-involved parents because apathy, in and of itself, keeps parents out of their hair. Most certainly, parent apathy makes the mission of liberalizing schoolchildrens minds so much easier.
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Good Question!
Springboro citizens generously financially support our school superintendent and staff of professional educators to "instruct in an ACCURATE manner based upon...."
So why are we hearing, in public board meetings, the defiance of one of our school employees, Gail Dauber, who argues she is accountable to NO ONE, to teach anything except what is based on HER biased and political opinions? Where is the responsibility in that leadership influence upon the minds of our young people?
And WHY is Gail Dauber rewarded for her poor performances in the board room (in front of the entire community of taxpayers) with THREE supplemental contracts INCREASING her supplemental pay "three fold?"
Approval to Employ Supplemental Personnel Gail Dauber:
HS - Mock Trial $1,514.00
HS - Social Studies Dept. Head $2,270.00
HS - Senior Class Advisor $1,651.00
Which one of our school district leaders approved these supplemental pay increases for Gail Dauber, then sent them to the pubic board meeting to be liberally rubber stamped?
I am sure these are all incredibly important positions within the school hierarchy, but exactly what does a Senior Class Advisor do that is worth $1651?
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Ask the BOE who voted for it. Some people wonder what's wrong with the current BOE, looks like you just found 1 reason for a change.
Great idea, make sure you put union members in there to determine what other innovative ways they can funnel more money out the back door to the union.

Sheer genius.
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Make up your mind. Does the "liberal" media have a bias or not? If they do, then they will keep showing up as long as it goes on. It sells papers.
Actually, it is why many are failing and disappearing.

Other avenues of information are now readily available and the old line news organizations have been late recognizing that point.
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Good god tell it to Schweikart, he brought it up. The stock market is now at it's highest it's ever been. It was just under 8,000 when Obama took office. It has climbed over 7,000 during the Obama presidency (almost doubling). But I'm guessing you'll find a way to not give him credit for that.
Let the partison rant begin....GO
The stock market rising is a result of a couple of things, number one interest rates at on money markets in the less than 1% range cause people to look elsewhere for better returns. Result money flows out of money markets into stocks in search of greater profits.

Bonds work in an inverse relationship to inflation or the threat of inflation. Higher inflation or threat of inflation equals lower bond pricing so investment nets an equal return or greater to compensate for the effects of inflation.

Exponentially increasing the money supply has added many new dollars without the corresponding assets to back them up. More money available for investment means more money bidding on the scarce assets, price goes up.

Ultimately the economy will begin to pick up steam again and inflation will raise its ugly head, interest rates will have to rise to contain its fury, money will flow out of risky stock market investments into safer money markets.

Rinse and repeat.

Aside from artificially increasing the money supply no new value has been created. Ask anyone who bought a house in 2008 if they are getting their money out of it again.
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How RIGHT you are. Republican's do NO wrong. Each and every one of them is honest, truthful and has never done anything wrong.
BTW. You're post may need some "fact checking"...
"This elaborate collection of falsehoods is so detailed that we believe it must be an intentional and malicious effort at disinformation. It grafts some new whoppers on top of a list that we debunked in April 2004, in a special report we called "Lies in the E-mail, Part 2." The earlier version, we said, was "full of laughably inaccurate claims," and this one is worse."
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/03/fdrs-volunta...
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No Doubt, Do Your Homework, but don't assume that what you see and think represents the world at large.(Or, even the Springboro
taxpayers at large).

Your firmly held beliefs are recognized; but you need to Do Your Homework that helps you learn that others may hold different beliefs just as firmly.

"Every man takes the limits of his own field of vision for the limits of the world." - Arthur Schopenhauer

.....America is not a Christian nation is his own field of vision that our current President of this Great Nation takes to the world...

.....God has no place in this country is his own field of vision that our SHS Student of Social Studies takes to the community of Springboro.
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The stock market rising is a result of a couple of things, number one interest rates at on money markets in the less than 1% range cause people to look elsewhere for better returns. Result money flows out of money markets into stocks in search of greater profits.
Bonds work in an inverse relationship to inflation or the threat of inflation. Higher inflation or threat of inflation equals lower bond pricing so investment nets an equal return or greater to compensate for the effects of inflation.
Exponentially increasing the money supply has added many new dollars without the corresponding assets to back them up. More money available for investment means more money bidding on the scarce assets, price goes up.
Ultimately the economy will begin to pick up steam again and inflation will raise its ugly head, interest rates will have to rise to contain its fury, money will flow out of risky stock market investments into safer money markets.
Rinse and repeat.
Aside from artificially increasing the money supply no new value has been created. Ask anyone who bought a house in 2008 if they are getting their money out of it again.
bottom line...when interest rates start going up, the stock market will start to fall after being pumped up by the FED.
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Even more interesting is what his students say about him. He's great as long as you don't try to bring up contradictory FACTS in his class. So much for presenting "both sides" bet he's not much for "controversial issues".
He should have fit right in with the union crowd at large because that seems to be their modus operandi.

Isn't that what they are complaining about, having to hear another viewpoint and perhaps defend their own?
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How RIGHT you are. Republican's do NO wrong. Each and every one of them is honest, truthful and has never done anything wrong.
BTW. You're post may need some "fact checking"...
"This elaborate collection of falsehoods is so detailed that we believe it must be an intentional and malicious effort at disinformation. It grafts some new whoppers on top of a list that we debunked in April 2004, in a special report we called "Lies in the E-mail, Part 2." The earlier version, we said, was "full of laughably inaccurate claims," and this one is worse."
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/03/fdrs-volunta...
Do your homework.
Inquiry minds believe Your posts may need some means testing for accuracy -- You may think you are sharing ideas; but aren't you really just rearranging your prejudices?
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Inquiry minds believe Your posts may need some means testing for accuracy -- You may think you are sharing ideas; but aren't you really just rearranging your prejudices?
factcheck.org , you're questioning factcheck.org for disproving a conservative letter that has been written and re-written and still is baseless in fact.

I guess the only facts are those that you find or choose to believe. Why don't you take factcheck.org to task on their accuracy. And you call me prejudice? Wow...

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