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Maineville, OH

#27275 Sep 11, 2013
Question Everything wrote:
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Isn't the REAL question for SURE: How can a non-Springboro resident get to speak at the Board meeting for 30 minutes without being sneered at and jeered at by those hoping to silence all voices except their collective own?
Speakers like this is EXACTLY why the BOE needs to be changed. There were about $250,000 in budget items that are not budgeted for, overcrowded class rooms and this is what we have during school board meetings? I'm guessing his connection to Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh have nothing to do with why a non-Springboro resident is speaking at a School Board Meeting.

Mark my words, as long as the board keeps stunts like this up, the are ENSURING VICTORY for MSA in November.

Taken from a review:
"7 Events That Made America America is a conservative's look at what the author thinks are some important moments in the history of the USA. Mr. Schweikart is an excellent writer and he puts his points across well. The seven events he thinks are of critical importance are: 1. Martin Van Buren's idea about political parties (the spoils system) 2. The Dread Scott decision 3. The Johnstown flood 4. Eisenhower's heart attack 5. Western rock and roll penetrates the iron curtain 6. Ronald Regan's sending the Marines to Lebanon 7. Obama's favorable media treatment. "

He actually blames Reagan for pulling out of Lebanon. From another review: "Ronald Regan was a great president, but he made some serious mistakes. And the one that we are still paying for is his pull out of Lebanon after more than a hundred Marines were killed by a truck bomb. You can debate whether we should have been there or how the marines should have been better deployed, but the reality is that by pulling out, in the eyes of the Muslim fundamentalists that became Al Queda and similar organizations, we shamed ourselves. "

Even more interesting is what his students say about him. He's great as long as you don't try to bring up contradictory FACTS in his class. So much for presenting "both sides" bet he's not much for "controversial issues".
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Maineville, OH

#27276 Sep 11, 2013
very interesting wrote:
<quoted text>
7:26 minute youtube review:
Larry Schweikart's "48 Liberal Lies About American History"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =22KluXlrTT8XX
I'm very much looking forward to hearing Mr. Schweikart's presentation tomorrow evening.
You can watch him all day long on youtube (literally) why does he need to speak at a meeting inteded for the business of our school?
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Maineville, OH

#27277 Sep 11, 2013
Question Everything wrote:
Isn't Larry Schweikart the author of the book:
48 Liberal Lies About American History
(That You Probably Learned in School)
This should be on the must read list for all our citizens, including professional educators and students who aren't even old enough to vote!
Not according to the reviewer on Amazon that said: "I fear that if you're an educated conservative, and you've had the misfortune of reading this book, you've already pulled a good deal amount of hair out of your head like I have, internally pleading with Schweikart not to be such a bad writer and worse a bad spokesman for a cause.

Look: forget that these aren't really common things anyone is taught in school. Forget that many of these arguments are in fact originated by anti-government types. Forget that Schweikart is an abominable writer and harms the conservative movement by making it look like buffoonery. IN FACT.......you know what?.....Just forget this book ever came out."

Not excatly a glowing reveiw from a conservative.
Do your homework

Maineville, OH

#27278 Sep 11, 2013
Question Everything wrote:
Isn't Larry Schweikart the author of the book:
48 Liberal Lies About American History
(That You Probably Learned in School)
This should be on the must read list for all our citizens, including professional educators and students who aren't even old enough to vote!
Another interesting review from Amazon:
"I read this book, as well as others by Larry Schweikart, while prepping for my AP US History exam last year. The one thing I can honestly say is that while some of the "lies" in this book are correct, for the most part Larry Schweikart doesn't know what he is talking about. Sometimes he takes one simple fact and turns it on it's head to the point where it is no longer recognizably true while at other times, he completely skips over parts that would completely rebute his statments. I'm not saying this as a "Liberal" (I'm actually pretty far from it) but from a historians point of view. If I thought reading A Patriot's History of the United States gave me ulcers, you don't want to know what this book did to me. I'm also not a huge Howard Zinn fanatic but, in the battle between Zinn and Schweikart, Zinn definetly knows his history more. It's time that Larry Schweikart stopped writting about what the founding fathers would have thought about everyone else's actions and start thinking about what they would have thought about his own. "

This guy isn't exactly one to fly under the radar. Especailly when Zinn is quoted as more of a historian.
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#27279 Sep 11, 2013
Zinn was a laughing stock to real credentialed historians when he wrote the People's History.

It was only decades later that he became the CAUSE CÉLÈBRE the left has made of him and his works.

Historians from, Harvard, Stanford, Georgetown, etc scorched his book as one sided, out of context, puerile load of baby dung.

These were by no ones descriptions, right wing hack jobs, but more often than not pink diaper babies, raised and nurtured by far left leaning socialist from birth through grad school and beyond.

Zinn fails on the weight of his own nonsense, he needs no help from anyone else.
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Maineville, OH

#27280 Sep 11, 2013
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
Zinn was a laughing stock to real credentialed historians when he wrote the People's History.
It was only decades later that he became the CAUSE CÉLÈBRE the left has made of him and his works.
Historians from, Harvard, Stanford, Georgetown, etc scorched his book as one sided, out of context, puerile load of baby dung.
These were by no ones descriptions, right wing hack jobs, but more often than not pink diaper babies, raised and nurtured by far left leaning socialist from birth through grad school and beyond.
Zinn fails on the weight of his own nonsense, he needs no help from anyone else.
And STILL a conservative claims Zinn is more a historian than Larry Schweikart! My point exactly.

Several historians have scorched Schweikart as well. Far right is just as bad as far left. What ever happened to the middle? Oh yea the rich took their money and they joined the lower class....(cause trickle down worked so well...)
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#27281 Sep 12, 2013
Do your homework wrote:
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And STILL a conservative claims Zinn is more a historian than Larry Schweikart! My point exactly.
Several historians have scorched Schweikart as well. Far right is just as bad as far left. What ever happened to the middle? Oh yea the rich took their money and they joined the lower class....(cause trickle down worked so well...)
As per usual, you would be horribly wrong in your assertions.

Zinn, however bad as a historian, has been embraced by the left as a purveyor of whatever simplistic pablum they find useful on any given day. Prior to the love fest, his works enjoyed less esteem among well read circles.

Noted Harvard professor Oscar Handlin writing in the American Scholar wrote a review when they book was first published in 1980:

" Hence the deranged quality of this fairy tale, in which the incidents are made to fit the legend, no matter how intractable the evidence of American history. It may be unfair to expose to critical scrutiny a work patched together from secondary sources, many used uncritically (Jennings, Williams), others ravaged for material torn out of context (Young, Pike). Any careful reader will perceive that Zinn is a stranger to evidence bearing upon the people about whom he purports to write. But only critics who know the sources will recognize the complex array of devices that pervert his pages... On the other hand, the book conveniently omits whatever does not fit its overriding thesis... It would be a mistake, however, to regard Zinn as merely Anti-American. Brendan Behan once observed that whoever hated America hated mankind, and hatred of mankind is the dominant tone of Zinn's book... He lavishes indiscriminate condemnation upon all the works of man — that is, upon civilization, a word he usually encloses in quotation marks."

Who is Oscar Handlin?

An American historian. As a professor of history at Harvard University for over 50 years, he directed 80 PhD dissertations and helped promote social and ethnic history. Handlin won the Pulitzer Prize for History in 1952 with The Uprooted. Handlin's 1965 testimony before Congress was said to "have played an important role" in abolishing a discriminatory immigration quota system in the U.S.
Handlin was born in Brooklyn, New York, the eldest of three children of Russian-Jewish immigrants. His mother, the former, Ida Yanowitz, came to the United States in 1904 and worked in the garment industry. His father, Joseph, came to America in 1913 after attending a commercial college in the Ukraine and later being stationed in Harbin, China as a soldier during the Russo-Japanese war. Handlin's parents were passionately devoted to literature and the life of the mind. Their experience of religious persecution in Czarist Russia made them fiercely devoted to democracy and social justice (Handlin was a proto-"red diaper baby."

No one. under any circumstances, would consider this man to be a right wing fanatic
I was looking for your critique sources but found them lacking, also as per usual.
Question Everything

Akron, OH

#27282 Sep 12, 2013
The Baker/Dettwiller/Long days of the good old boys are now in the archives of the educaion business in Springboro Community City Schools.

All of the Good for our students that was accomplished during their BDL oppressive reign of
"ask me no questions - just pay the big bills"
....has now evolved into budget transparency and allowing all citizens of Springboro to have a place at the table in the board room.

Springboro families and taxpaying homeowners have only just begun to question WHY our school community employees project such a negative, cynical attitude toward our broader vision of educational needs for our student's 21st century education; Inquiring minds question WHY our SEA wants to keep "knowledge" in a lock box with only union teachers holding the key? How in the world can that be "responsible education?"
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Xenia, OH

#27283 Sep 12, 2013
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
<quoted text>
As per usual, you would be horribly wrong in your assertions.
Zinn, however bad as a historian, has been embraced by the left as a purveyor of whatever simplistic pablum they find useful on any given day. Prior to the love fest, his works enjoyed less esteem among well read circles.
Noted Harvard professor Oscar Handlin writing in the American Scholar wrote a review when they book was first published in 1980:
" Hence the deranged quality of this fairy tale, in which the incidents are made to fit the legend, no matter how intractable the evidence of American history. It may be unfair to expose to critical scrutiny a work patched together from secondary sources, many used uncritically (Jennings, Williams), others ravaged for material torn out of context (Young, Pike). Any careful reader will perceive that Zinn is a stranger to evidence bearing upon the people about whom he purports to write. But only critics who know the sources will recognize the complex array of devices that pervert his pages... On the other hand, the book conveniently omits whatever does not fit its overriding thesis... It would be a mistake, however, to regard Zinn as merely Anti-American. Brendan Behan once observed that whoever hated America hated mankind, and hatred of mankind is the dominant tone of Zinn's book... He lavishes indiscriminate condemnation upon all the works of man — that is, upon civilization, a word he usually encloses in quotation marks."
Who is Oscar Handlin?
An American historian. As a professor of history at Harvard University for over 50 years, he directed 80 PhD dissertations and helped promote social and ethnic history. Handlin won the Pulitzer Prize for History in 1952 with The Uprooted. Handlin's 1965 testimony before Congress was said to "have played an important role" in abolishing a discriminatory immigration quota system in the U.S.
Handlin was born in Brooklyn, New York, the eldest of three children of Russian-Jewish immigrants. His mother, the former, Ida Yanowitz, came to the United States in 1904 and worked in the garment industry. His father, Joseph, came to America in 1913 after attending a commercial college in the Ukraine and later being stationed in Harbin, China as a soldier during the Russo-Japanese war. Handlin's parents were passionately devoted to literature and the life of the mind. Their experience of religious persecution in Czarist Russia made them fiercely devoted to democracy and social justice (Handlin was a proto-"red diaper baby."
No one. under any circumstances, would consider this man to be a right wing fanatic
I was looking for your critique sources but found them lacking, also as per usual.
I didn't notice the citing for your "baby dung" comment either. I'm also guessing you suggest that trickle-down worked? How long till it trickles down....
Question Everything

Akron, OH

#27284 Sep 12, 2013
Lurker wrote:
Who's paying his speaker fees? How can a non-Springboro resident get to speak at the Baord meeting for 30 minutes?
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Did you attend the March 2012 Reinstate Ron Malone protest meeting against BOE authority? Do you remember the guest speaker from the Ohio Department of Education who presented the challenges before our students in "making the grade" within the new grading system of schools in Ohio? Did you hear our Springboro teachers interrupting with their demand to "pay the teachers more money?"
How embarrassing this was for our entire community!

Hopefully, for S-U-R-E, our parents and teachers who plan to attend the Guest Speaker's presentation (to our school community and community as a whole) at tonight's public school board business meeting will remember to question themselves: Got Respect for Differing Opinions and Beliefs?..... Remember, Only YOU can Prevet Rudeness from erupting in the board room and spilling out into the community!
Question Everything

Akron, OH

#27285 Sep 12, 2013
Do your homework wrote:
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You can watch him all day long on youtube (literally) why does he need to speak at a meeting inteded for the business of our school?
Why does he need to speak at a meeting intended for the business of our school.....?

Simply put, Because Teaching Students TRUE, ACCURATE, and HONEST American History is what our education business in Springboro Schools is all about ...Our FUTURE (way beyond our K-12 classrooms led by a union teacher) DEPENDS upon Learning the TRUTH!

Thanks to recent events brought to light in our public school board business meeings, inquiring minds are now asking ourselves if our students are actually getting the quality classroom education that our taxpayers are so generously paying for?
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#27286 Sep 12, 2013
Do your homework wrote:
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I didn't notice the citing for your "baby dung" comment either. I'm also guessing you suggest that trickle-down worked? How long till it trickles down....
Just look down your leg
Question Everything

Akron, OH

#27287 Sep 12, 2013
Do your homework wrote:
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Not according to the reviewer on Amazon that said: "I fear that if you're an educated conservative, and you've had the misfortune of reading this book, you've already pulled a good deal amount of hair out of your head like I have, internally pleading with Schweikart not to be such a bad writer and worse a bad spokesman for a cause.
Look: forget that these aren't really common things anyone is taught in school. Forget that many of these arguments are in fact originated by anti-government types. Forget that Schweikart is an abominable writer and harms the conservative movement by making it look like buffoonery. IN FACT.......you know what?.....Just forget this book ever came out."
Not excatly a glowing reveiw from a conservative.
Shouldn't professional educators forget about the OEA tunnel vision which is darkening a brighter future for our kids 21st century education? Aren't we fortunate to have the Ohio Sunshine Laws that legally open the doors of our minds to warmly welcome
raising the bar for our students way above...the bottom line?
Isn't the only message that school board candidates Ron Malone, David Stuckey, and Charles Anderson have to offer Springboro families and taxpaying homeowners in November is to "re-instate Ron Malone" and keep our children left behind the financial greed of our Springboro Education Adssociation?
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Akron, OH

#27288 Sep 12, 2013
"The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing.
One canot help but be in awe when he contemplates the mysteries of eternity, of life, of the marvelous structure of reality. It is enough if one tries merely to comprehend a little of this mystery every day. Never lose a holy curiosity."
-Albert Einstein-

No matter what our spiritual beliefs, testing them against our experience only makes them deeper and more meaningful. Let us never lose our curiosity about WHY we are here and WHAT being here means.

Springboro families and taxpaying homeowners must continue questioning: WHAT is being taught in our Springboro schools social studies curriculum that would cause one of our high school students to close his mind to the amazing curiosity of our vast universe, and testify to our entire community that "God has no place in this country?"
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Xenia, OH

#27289 Sep 12, 2013
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
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Just look down your leg
Wow, nice defense. Your reputation is again preceding you, all the personal attacks. You must watch Glenn Beck.

BTW. I thoguht that Reagan's trickle down was a load of sh*t also.
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Xenia, OH

#27290 Sep 12, 2013
Question Everything wrote:
"The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing.
One canot help but be in awe when he contemplates the mysteries of eternity, of life, of the marvelous structure of reality. It is enough if one tries merely to comprehend a little of this mystery every day. Never lose a holy curiosity."
-Albert Einstein-
No matter what our spiritual beliefs, testing them against our experience only makes them deeper and more meaningful. Let us never lose our curiosity about WHY we are here and WHAT being here means.
Springboro families and taxpaying homeowners must continue questioning: WHAT is being taught in our Springboro schools social studies curriculum that would cause one of our high school students to close his mind to the amazing curiosity of our vast universe, and testify to our entire community that "God has no place in this country?"
I'm sure that by your post you must have SEVERAL books on religions other than your own, since each has a different view on WHY we are here and WHAT being here means.

How often do you question your pastor? How often do you question your God?
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Xenia, OH

#27291 Sep 12, 2013
Question Everything wrote:
"The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing.
One canot help but be in awe when he contemplates the mysteries of eternity, of life, of the marvelous structure of reality. It is enough if one tries merely to comprehend a little of this mystery every day. Never lose a holy curiosity."
-Albert Einstein-
No matter what our spiritual beliefs, testing them against our experience only makes them deeper and more meaningful. Let us never lose our curiosity about WHY we are here and WHAT being here means.
Springboro families and taxpaying homeowners must continue questioning: WHAT is being taught in our Springboro schools social studies curriculum that would cause one of our high school students to close his mind to the amazing curiosity of our vast universe, and testify to our entire community that "God has no place in this country?"
And one more thing. How often do your CHILDREN question YOU? You must encourage them to do that according to your theory.
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Xenia, OH

#27292 Sep 12, 2013
Question Everything wrote:
"The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing.
One canot help but be in awe when he contemplates the mysteries of eternity, of life, of the marvelous structure of reality. It is enough if one tries merely to comprehend a little of this mystery every day. Never lose a holy curiosity."
-Albert Einstein-
No matter what our spiritual beliefs, testing them against our experience only makes them deeper and more meaningful. Let us never lose our curiosity about WHY we are here and WHAT being here means.
Springboro families and taxpaying homeowners must continue questioning: WHAT is being taught in our Springboro schools social studies curriculum that would cause one of our high school students to close his mind to the amazing curiosity of our vast universe, and testify to our entire community that "God has no place in this country?"
I actually feel pretty good. You have good advice, question everything. That includes questioning you! How often have you done that?
truth to power

Girard, OH

#27293 Sep 12, 2013
Do your homework wrote:
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Speakers like this is EXACTLY why the BOE needs to be changed. There were about $250,000 in budget items that are not budgeted for, overcrowded class rooms and this is what we have during school board meetings? I'm guessing his connection to Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh have nothing to do with why a non-Springboro resident is speaking at a School Board Meeting.
Mark my words, as long as the board keeps stunts like this up, the are ENSURING VICTORY for MSA in November.
Taken from a review:
"7 Events That Made America America is a conservative's look at what the author thinks are some important moments in the history of the USA. Mr. Schweikart is an excellent writer and he puts his points across well. The seven events he thinks are of critical importance are: 1. Martin Van Buren's idea about political parties (the spoils system) 2. The Dread Scott decision 3. The Johnstown flood 4. Eisenhower's heart attack 5. Western rock and roll penetrates the iron curtain 6. Ronald Regan's sending the Marines to Lebanon 7. Obama's favorable media treatment. "
He actually blames Reagan for pulling out of Lebanon. From another review: "Ronald Regan was a great president, but he made some serious mistakes. And the one that we are still paying for is his pull out of Lebanon after more than a hundred Marines were killed by a truck bomb. You can debate whether we should have been there or how the marines should have been better deployed, but the reality is that by pulling out, in the eyes of the Muslim fundamentalists that became Al Queda and similar organizations, we shamed ourselves. "
Even more interesting is what his students say about him. He's great as long as you don't try to bring up contradictory FACTS in his class. So much for presenting "both sides" bet he's not much for "controversial issues".
Look at America's average public school classroom size compared to most of the rest of the world. The problem is NOT classroom size. The core problem in America's public schools is a consistent flow of feminist and liberal sponsored bull#### being programmed into our childrens minds via brainwashed educators.
over the edge

Girard, OH

#27294 Sep 12, 2013
Do your homework wrote:
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I actually feel pretty good. You have good advice, question everything. That includes questioning you! How often have you done that?
Wow!
Is it nappy time?
May I help to soothe this crisis by calling in your psych med refill?

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