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Do your homework

Dayton, OH

#27283 Sep 12, 2013
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
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As per usual, you would be horribly wrong in your assertions.
Zinn, however bad as a historian, has been embraced by the left as a purveyor of whatever simplistic pablum they find useful on any given day. Prior to the love fest, his works enjoyed less esteem among well read circles.
Noted Harvard professor Oscar Handlin writing in the American Scholar wrote a review when they book was first published in 1980:
" Hence the deranged quality of this fairy tale, in which the incidents are made to fit the legend, no matter how intractable the evidence of American history. It may be unfair to expose to critical scrutiny a work patched together from secondary sources, many used uncritically (Jennings, Williams), others ravaged for material torn out of context (Young, Pike). Any careful reader will perceive that Zinn is a stranger to evidence bearing upon the people about whom he purports to write. But only critics who know the sources will recognize the complex array of devices that pervert his pages... On the other hand, the book conveniently omits whatever does not fit its overriding thesis... It would be a mistake, however, to regard Zinn as merely Anti-American. Brendan Behan once observed that whoever hated America hated mankind, and hatred of mankind is the dominant tone of Zinn's book... He lavishes indiscriminate condemnation upon all the works of man — that is, upon civilization, a word he usually encloses in quotation marks."
Who is Oscar Handlin?
An American historian. As a professor of history at Harvard University for over 50 years, he directed 80 PhD dissertations and helped promote social and ethnic history. Handlin won the Pulitzer Prize for History in 1952 with The Uprooted. Handlin's 1965 testimony before Congress was said to "have played an important role" in abolishing a discriminatory immigration quota system in the U.S.
Handlin was born in Brooklyn, New York, the eldest of three children of Russian-Jewish immigrants. His mother, the former, Ida Yanowitz, came to the United States in 1904 and worked in the garment industry. His father, Joseph, came to America in 1913 after attending a commercial college in the Ukraine and later being stationed in Harbin, China as a soldier during the Russo-Japanese war. Handlin's parents were passionately devoted to literature and the life of the mind. Their experience of religious persecution in Czarist Russia made them fiercely devoted to democracy and social justice (Handlin was a proto-"red diaper baby."
No one. under any circumstances, would consider this man to be a right wing fanatic
I was looking for your critique sources but found them lacking, also as per usual.
I didn't notice the citing for your "baby dung" comment either. I'm also guessing you suggest that trickle-down worked? How long till it trickles down....
Question Everything

Akron, OH

#27284 Sep 12, 2013
Lurker wrote:
Who's paying his speaker fees? How can a non-Springboro resident get to speak at the Baord meeting for 30 minutes?
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Did you attend the March 2012 Reinstate Ron Malone protest meeting against BOE authority? Do you remember the guest speaker from the Ohio Department of Education who presented the challenges before our students in "making the grade" within the new grading system of schools in Ohio? Did you hear our Springboro teachers interrupting with their demand to "pay the teachers more money?"
How embarrassing this was for our entire community!

Hopefully, for S-U-R-E, our parents and teachers who plan to attend the Guest Speaker's presentation (to our school community and community as a whole) at tonight's public school board business meeting will remember to question themselves: Got Respect for Differing Opinions and Beliefs?..... Remember, Only YOU can Prevet Rudeness from erupting in the board room and spilling out into the community!
Question Everything

Akron, OH

#27285 Sep 12, 2013
Do your homework wrote:
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You can watch him all day long on youtube (literally) why does he need to speak at a meeting inteded for the business of our school?
Why does he need to speak at a meeting intended for the business of our school.....?

Simply put, Because Teaching Students TRUE, ACCURATE, and HONEST American History is what our education business in Springboro Schools is all about ...Our FUTURE (way beyond our K-12 classrooms led by a union teacher) DEPENDS upon Learning the TRUTH!

Thanks to recent events brought to light in our public school board business meeings, inquiring minds are now asking ourselves if our students are actually getting the quality classroom education that our taxpayers are so generously paying for?
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#27286 Sep 12, 2013
Do your homework wrote:
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I didn't notice the citing for your "baby dung" comment either. I'm also guessing you suggest that trickle-down worked? How long till it trickles down....
Just look down your leg
Question Everything

Akron, OH

#27287 Sep 12, 2013
Do your homework wrote:
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Not according to the reviewer on Amazon that said: "I fear that if you're an educated conservative, and you've had the misfortune of reading this book, you've already pulled a good deal amount of hair out of your head like I have, internally pleading with Schweikart not to be such a bad writer and worse a bad spokesman for a cause.
Look: forget that these aren't really common things anyone is taught in school. Forget that many of these arguments are in fact originated by anti-government types. Forget that Schweikart is an abominable writer and harms the conservative movement by making it look like buffoonery. IN FACT.......you know what?.....Just forget this book ever came out."
Not excatly a glowing reveiw from a conservative.
Shouldn't professional educators forget about the OEA tunnel vision which is darkening a brighter future for our kids 21st century education? Aren't we fortunate to have the Ohio Sunshine Laws that legally open the doors of our minds to warmly welcome
raising the bar for our students way above...the bottom line?
Isn't the only message that school board candidates Ron Malone, David Stuckey, and Charles Anderson have to offer Springboro families and taxpaying homeowners in November is to "re-instate Ron Malone" and keep our children left behind the financial greed of our Springboro Education Adssociation?
Question Everything

Akron, OH

#27288 Sep 12, 2013
"The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing.
One canot help but be in awe when he contemplates the mysteries of eternity, of life, of the marvelous structure of reality. It is enough if one tries merely to comprehend a little of this mystery every day. Never lose a holy curiosity."
-Albert Einstein-

No matter what our spiritual beliefs, testing them against our experience only makes them deeper and more meaningful. Let us never lose our curiosity about WHY we are here and WHAT being here means.

Springboro families and taxpaying homeowners must continue questioning: WHAT is being taught in our Springboro schools social studies curriculum that would cause one of our high school students to close his mind to the amazing curiosity of our vast universe, and testify to our entire community that "God has no place in this country?"
Do your homework

Dayton, OH

#27289 Sep 12, 2013
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
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Just look down your leg
Wow, nice defense. Your reputation is again preceding you, all the personal attacks. You must watch Glenn Beck.

BTW. I thoguht that Reagan's trickle down was a load of sh*t also.
Do your homework

Dayton, OH

#27290 Sep 12, 2013
Question Everything wrote:
"The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing.
One canot help but be in awe when he contemplates the mysteries of eternity, of life, of the marvelous structure of reality. It is enough if one tries merely to comprehend a little of this mystery every day. Never lose a holy curiosity."
-Albert Einstein-
No matter what our spiritual beliefs, testing them against our experience only makes them deeper and more meaningful. Let us never lose our curiosity about WHY we are here and WHAT being here means.
Springboro families and taxpaying homeowners must continue questioning: WHAT is being taught in our Springboro schools social studies curriculum that would cause one of our high school students to close his mind to the amazing curiosity of our vast universe, and testify to our entire community that "God has no place in this country?"
I'm sure that by your post you must have SEVERAL books on religions other than your own, since each has a different view on WHY we are here and WHAT being here means.

How often do you question your pastor? How often do you question your God?
Do your homework

Dayton, OH

#27291 Sep 12, 2013
Question Everything wrote:
"The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing.
One canot help but be in awe when he contemplates the mysteries of eternity, of life, of the marvelous structure of reality. It is enough if one tries merely to comprehend a little of this mystery every day. Never lose a holy curiosity."
-Albert Einstein-
No matter what our spiritual beliefs, testing them against our experience only makes them deeper and more meaningful. Let us never lose our curiosity about WHY we are here and WHAT being here means.
Springboro families and taxpaying homeowners must continue questioning: WHAT is being taught in our Springboro schools social studies curriculum that would cause one of our high school students to close his mind to the amazing curiosity of our vast universe, and testify to our entire community that "God has no place in this country?"
And one more thing. How often do your CHILDREN question YOU? You must encourage them to do that according to your theory.
Do your homework

Dayton, OH

#27292 Sep 12, 2013
Question Everything wrote:
"The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing.
One canot help but be in awe when he contemplates the mysteries of eternity, of life, of the marvelous structure of reality. It is enough if one tries merely to comprehend a little of this mystery every day. Never lose a holy curiosity."
-Albert Einstein-
No matter what our spiritual beliefs, testing them against our experience only makes them deeper and more meaningful. Let us never lose our curiosity about WHY we are here and WHAT being here means.
Springboro families and taxpaying homeowners must continue questioning: WHAT is being taught in our Springboro schools social studies curriculum that would cause one of our high school students to close his mind to the amazing curiosity of our vast universe, and testify to our entire community that "God has no place in this country?"
I actually feel pretty good. You have good advice, question everything. That includes questioning you! How often have you done that?
truth to power

Cleveland, OH

#27293 Sep 12, 2013
Do your homework wrote:
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Speakers like this is EXACTLY why the BOE needs to be changed. There were about $250,000 in budget items that are not budgeted for, overcrowded class rooms and this is what we have during school board meetings? I'm guessing his connection to Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh have nothing to do with why a non-Springboro resident is speaking at a School Board Meeting.
Mark my words, as long as the board keeps stunts like this up, the are ENSURING VICTORY for MSA in November.
Taken from a review:
"7 Events That Made America America is a conservative's look at what the author thinks are some important moments in the history of the USA. Mr. Schweikart is an excellent writer and he puts his points across well. The seven events he thinks are of critical importance are: 1. Martin Van Buren's idea about political parties (the spoils system) 2. The Dread Scott decision 3. The Johnstown flood 4. Eisenhower's heart attack 5. Western rock and roll penetrates the iron curtain 6. Ronald Regan's sending the Marines to Lebanon 7. Obama's favorable media treatment. "
He actually blames Reagan for pulling out of Lebanon. From another review: "Ronald Regan was a great president, but he made some serious mistakes. And the one that we are still paying for is his pull out of Lebanon after more than a hundred Marines were killed by a truck bomb. You can debate whether we should have been there or how the marines should have been better deployed, but the reality is that by pulling out, in the eyes of the Muslim fundamentalists that became Al Queda and similar organizations, we shamed ourselves. "
Even more interesting is what his students say about him. He's great as long as you don't try to bring up contradictory FACTS in his class. So much for presenting "both sides" bet he's not much for "controversial issues".
Look at America's average public school classroom size compared to most of the rest of the world. The problem is NOT classroom size. The core problem in America's public schools is a consistent flow of feminist and liberal sponsored bull#### being programmed into our childrens minds via brainwashed educators.
over the edge

Cleveland, OH

#27294 Sep 12, 2013
Do your homework wrote:
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I actually feel pretty good. You have good advice, question everything. That includes questioning you! How often have you done that?
Wow!
Is it nappy time?
May I help to soothe this crisis by calling in your psych med refill?
Do your homework

Dayton, OH

#27295 Sep 12, 2013
over the edge wrote:
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Wow!
Is it nappy time?
May I help to soothe this crisis by calling in your psych med refill?
No need, but in the spirit of questioning everything can I call your refill in for you?
Question Everything

Akron, OH

#27296 Sep 12, 2013
Springboro families and taxpaying homeowners are questiong WHY our Springboro Education Association employees find it such hard duty teaching our students the TRUTH about the History of our Great American History! Somehow, it just doesn't seem very professional (or smart!).

"Teaching should be such that what is offered is perceived as a valuable gift and not as a hard duty." -Albert Einstein
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#27297 Sep 12, 2013
Do your homework wrote:
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Do your homework wrote:
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I didn't notice the citing for your "baby dung" comment either. I'm also guessing you suggest that trickle-down worked? How long till it trickles down....

Doug Wiedeman wrote:

Just look down your leg

Wow, nice defense. Your reputation is again preceding you, all the personal attacks. You must watch Glenn Beck.
BTW. I thoguht that Reagan's trickle down was a load of sh*t also.
What is running down your leg is most likely self induced.
Question Everything

Akron, OH

#27298 Sep 12, 2013
Do your homework wrote:
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I'm sure that by your post you must have SEVERAL books on religions other than your own, since each has a different view on WHY we are here and WHAT being here means.
How often do you question your pastor? How often do you question your God?
OK - Let's play your silly game of ignorant interrogation!
It is NONE of YOUR business because I do not work for YOU!
(Did you know -- You remind me of Principal Ron's Kids taunting the BOE elected officials "which one of you is lying?" Were you there in the SHS auditorium last March 2012, watching Principal Ron smile and nod in approval as his kids performed his acts of "public and embarassing defiance? Where's the "excellence"
in that insanely popular leadership?)

However, it is MY business to question everything about the Springboro Schools Curriculum that is purchased with taxpayers money to teach our students a quality education that goes "beyond" the Social Studies director's narrow vision of keeping our kids left behind in global learning.
Do your homework

Dayton, OH

#27299 Sep 12, 2013
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
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What is running down your leg is most likely self induced.
How did you know I voted for Reagan!
Stay Focused

Akron, OH

#27300 Sep 12, 2013
In the direction of sustainability
DISTRICT TO ASK FOR LOWER TAX MILLAGE IN NOVEMBER

In the football stands on Friday nights, we can see a basic truth: our schools and community are inextricably tied. Public schools serve the community. And the community supports public schools. Today we stand in an almost unheard of place: we are financially prepared to give something back to the taxpayer–to give back to our community by reducing the tax burden. The renewal levy on the ballot in November will be set at a lower millage rate to reduce taxes generated by that levy by nearly 15 percent (a reduction of $1,353,800 per year). There is an assumption that if we are cutting the taxes; we must be cutting back in our schools. This is simply false.

The following needs are in the current budget through 2017:
•high school busing restored
•over $2 million in textbooks and curriculum adoption
•over $2.1 million for new buses
•over $3.7 million in capital needs and deferred maintenance
•over $1.5 million in technology (100 percent WiFi, 1,000 computers, 350 teacher laptops)
•over $7.5 million for our staff in raises and benefit changes
These needs are met in the five-year forecast even with the lower renewal levy.
How is this possible?
•Efficiency plans, reallocating resources, and receiving increased revenue all make the lower renewal levy possible.
•Since 2012-2013, the district has received $3.5 million per year due to tax revenue from the Rocky's Express natural gas pipeline.(A second gas pipeline is being installed through the school district territory; however, the district’s current forecast assumptions DO NOT include projections of any funds it is likely to bring to the district.)
•We recently learned that our district will receive 6.5% more in 2013-2014 than in the previous year from the State of Ohio (approximately $828,000) as well as 10.5% more in 2014-2015 (approximately $1.2 million).
•The May 2013 five-year budget forecast reflected a surplus of $7.55 million in 2017.
•With consideration of additional state revenue and after the approval of contracts with teachers, classified and exempt staff, budget projections still reflect a surplus of $7.2 million in 2017 with the current millage.
•When the proposed decreased renewal levy is applied to budget projections, there is a still a surplus of approximately $3.9 million.
With every step, we are proving that this district--with its record of excellence--is sustainable with an even lower tax burden. We are meeting and exceeding state mandates as well as local expectations. We are building a technology backbone, investing in computers, curriculum, buses and buildings. Most important, we are being honest about what is needed through 2017. This is reform at the local level, and this is working together toward sustainability.

Editorial note: This article is adapted from a blog post by Springboro Board of Education Member David Petroni.

Visit www.springboro.org
Do your homework

Dayton, OH

#27301 Sep 12, 2013
Question Everything wrote:
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OK - Let's play your silly game of ignorant interrogation!
It is NONE of YOUR business because I do not work for YOU!
(Did you know -- You remind me of Principal Ron's Kids taunting the BOE elected officials "which one of you is lying?" Were you there in the SHS auditorium last March 2012, watching Principal Ron smile and nod in approval as his kids performed his acts of "public and embarassing defiance? Where's the "excellence"
in that insanely popular leadership?)
However, it is MY business to question everything about the Springboro Schools Curriculum that is purchased with taxpayers money to teach our students a quality education that goes "beyond" the Social Studies director's narrow vision of keeping our kids left behind in global learning.
What social studies direcor and what "global" learning.(global to mean they teach it everywhere around the globe global, including China??)

Just questioning....
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#27302 Sep 12, 2013
Do your homework wrote:
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How did you know I voted for Reagan!
Good for you.

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