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Our recommendation: Springboro voters should say 'yes' the first time to school levies

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Do your homework

Dayton, OH

#26980 Aug 30, 2013
Heart Burn wrote:
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Still off in the weeds, deflecting away from the real discussion. I guess it is easier to ignore the truth than try to address it.
I won't argue grammer and simple typos on a blog site/sight/cite. ;-D My reqason to point out your obvious misuse of the word site was to suggest those that live in glass houses....
Good point (reqason) back at ya.
Got Respect

Cincinnati, OH

#26981 Aug 30, 2013
Do your homework wrote:
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And the resonable explanation for voting in people to the BOE that don't have kids in the schools system? What about putting someone on the board that couldn't even take care of their personal finances, let alone the districts?
Dr. Malone only has explaining to do to those who don't support him. He is not solely responsible for the entire district. Where was the BOE in guiding the curriculum? If Dr. Malone is so dangerous then why isn't Kelly running again?
Face it, you're simply scared of his popularity. The board tried to remove him and could not. Not all voters need reasons for every little thing. In the end that is what will matter. All elections are popularity contests, otherwise an "actor" or a "community organizer" would have never become mayor or even president.
The fact is his reason is only important to the 10+ people on this site that keep asking for it. It seems as if most people here just like to gripe and need a target. In the meantime Doug will keep copy and pasting, people will use the word hypocrite and most will keep griping about things that haven't even happened yet.
Unless, they see the writing on the wall.....
I disagree with your false accusation that "the board tried to remove him and could not." It is a matter of personnel records, that Mr. Malone's boss (at that time, Mr. Lolli) offered Mr. Malone a big job promotion in district offices allowing Mr. Malone to apply his 40 plus years of professional educational expertise
to the benefit of all our building principals and all our students.(In the private sector, it is unheard of for an "older employee" to be offered this kind of promotional honor!)
BUT, according to the DDN, it was the president of the SEA, Mr. Maney, who quickly notified the local news that the SEA staff of union employees were not happy with Mr. Malone's promotion.
During the time of Mr. Lolli's employment as schools superintendent, he allowed his employee Mr. Malone, to shirk his professional educator's responsibility to our students in preference to SEA first interest for Mr. Maney. Then when Mr. Lolli left employment in Springboro Schools, Mr. Malone re-applied for the great job in district offices; obviously trying to avoid taking responsibility for his ineptness as high school principal for the past years of his employment, as a retired-rehired double dipper.
Heart Burn

United States

#26982 Aug 30, 2013
Do your homework wrote:
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And by the way, I don't see you defending Dr. Malone when he has personal attacks from Doug, or yourself for that matter. Didn't know you were the moral compass around here.
Moral compass? Nope not at all. I am simply pointing oiut the obvious flaws in your posts. If you can show me a single persaonl attack Mr Wiedemann has thrown at Mr Malone on these pages I will be sure to address it. However, from what I have seen...or is it scene...He posts factual links and informed opinions leaving the petty stuff to others. Again, however, if you would share a few examples of all of these persaonl attacks you speak of, I'd sure like to see them. thanks.
Heart Burn

United States

#26983 Aug 30, 2013
Do your homework wrote:
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Good point (reqason) back at ya.
Uhhhh I/eye for/fore/four one/won think you/ewe might/mite have/half missed/mist the point.
Heart Burn

United States

#26984 Aug 30, 2013
Dang forgot "pointe" ;-D
Do your homework

Dayton, OH

#26985 Aug 30, 2013
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
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None of my attacks have been about how I have a better beard than he, or he is too skinny, or I have more hair on my head, etc, etc, etc,
My questions and presentations have drawn upon the record Mr. Malone established as principal and leader of not only the high school, but of the district. Every other school in this district is a feeder program for the high school. Just like the major leagues in baseball, the leader of the major league club must ensure the growth and development of the players of tomorrow if the major league club is to be competitive tomorrow. The high school is no different, yet without support from the principal of the high school, individual initiatives that lack the full authority of the principal are likely to fall short.
Thus was the case noted by the audit of the Warren County Educational Services Center for the High Schools That Work program. According to a survey of the teachers at the high school they reported less collaboration between schools than should have been. This too was not a one time occurrence but also was reported in previous audits.
Page 13
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bxs0_xA64y_HT...
Reporting what Mr. Malone's professional peers say in audits of the program of studies at the high school is not a personal attack, but more aptly a report of Mr. Malone's record at hand and how it applies to each and every child in the district.
Lookin at the HSTW site I found this:

"2006 High School Gold Award Winning Sites
Deer Park High School
Little Miami High School
Springboro High School
Talawanda High School
Waynesville High School
Winton Woods High School

2006 High School Top 100 Awards
Bethel Tate High School
Carlisle High School
Deer Park High School
Franklin High School
Greene County Career Center
Little Miami High School
Live Oaks Career Development Center
Miami Valley Career Technology Center
Mount Healthy High School
Paint Valley High School
Portsmouth High School
Reading Senior High School
Springboro High School
Springfield-Clark County Career Center
Talawanda High School
Tri-County North High School
Waynesville High School
Williamsburg HighSchool
Wilmington High School
Winton Woods High School"

Does Malone not get any credit for that?

They have 2007 which we didn't make the list, but I can't find anything after that.
Do your homework

Dayton, OH

#26986 Aug 30, 2013
Heart Burn wrote:
Dang forgot "pointe" ;-D
No I didn't. You did.
Excellence w Distinction

Dayton, OH

#26987 Aug 30, 2013
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
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None of my attacks have been about how I have a better beard than he, or he is too skinny, or I have more hair on my head, etc, etc, etc,
My questions and presentations have drawn upon the record Mr. Malone established as principal and leader of not only the high school, but of the district. Every other school in this district is a feeder program for the high school. Just like the major leagues in baseball, the leader of the major league club must ensure the growth and development of the players of tomorrow if the major league club is to be competitive tomorrow. The high school is no different, yet without support from the principal of the high school, individual initiatives that lack the full authority of the principal are likely to fall short.
Thus was the case noted by the audit of the Warren County Educational Services Center for the High Schools That Work program. According to a survey of the teachers at the high school they reported less collaboration between schools than should have been. This too was not a one time occurrence but also was reported in previous audits.
Page 13
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bxs0_xA64y_HT...
Reporting what Mr. Malone's professional peers say in audits of the program of studies at the high school is not a personal attack, but more aptly a report of Mr. Malone's record at hand and how it applies to each and every child in the district.
If Dr. Malone is responsible for everything is Springboro schools, the we should be thanking him for our many Excellence with Distinction merits!
Thank you Dr. Malone!!!
Heart Burn

United States

#26988 Aug 30, 2013
Do your homework wrote:
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No I didn't. You did.
LOL...Did you really just hit me with a "No I didn't. You did"? Well nannannabooboo back at ya. C'mon, don't make me yell "Mom, Do your own homework is touching me!"

And yet still no examples of personal attacks. Higher education requires sources, you are correct, but they also require the ability to stay on topic, answers to direct questions with well thought out. reasoned logical informed opinions and facts for the opinion to be considered. You are failing quite epically here in those regards.
Do your homework

Dayton, OH

#26989 Aug 30, 2013
Heart Burn wrote:
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LOL...Did you really just hit me with a "No I didn't. You did"? Well nannannabooboo back at ya. C'mon, don't make me yell "Mom, Do your own homework is touching me!"
And yet still no examples of personal attacks. Higher education requires sources, you are correct, but they also require the ability to stay on topic, answers to direct questions with well thought out. reasoned logical informed opinions and facts for the opinion to be considered. You are failing quite epically here in those regards.
And you're right there with me. "Takes one to know one."
Heart Burn

United States

#26990 Aug 30, 2013
Do your homework wrote:
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And you're right there with me. "Takes one to know one."
More non-responsive off topic deflection. Well played.

Since: Dec 08

Cleveland, OH

#26991 Aug 30, 2013
motorvoter wrote:
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I haven't really addressed the constitutionality - I was just noting the scope of the stupidity of the teachings of the Institute (911 was an inside job, etc.).
As to constitutionality, of course it's unconstitutional to invite a religious organization (which they are) to come to the school and use the school's property to push their sect and doctrine on children - and adults for that matter.
Why do you think Kohls backed down, btw? Clearly she didn't have too much faith in the constitutionality of pushing religion on school grounds.
Sorry, you are wrong. During school hours, outside religious organizations and clubs must not meet at public schools. After school hours, such groups may meet at a public school only if the school permits other outside clubs and organizations to meet at the same time and does not endorse the club's religious activity. It's settled law. This is settled constitutional law.

The course offered was not being offered during school hours nor to our children (at least forcefully). The only way our children could have attended is if they signed up for the course.

I suppose that among the reasons Kohls gave up is the complete lack of understanding of the law...just as you have shown here.
SAY NO TO CRAZY

Tipp City, OH

#26992 Aug 30, 2013
Question Everything wrote:
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Can you ever write a post without trying to discredit and distort the winning agenda of our current BOE; and without trying to personally attack the BOE with your false accusations and lies?
Aren't your posts of "destructive politics" proving that YOU are the one who isn't doing YOUR homework? Have you considered that the reason could be that you are spending your time bullying the school board; with no time to do your homework studying the issues and learning the truth about the good work being accomplished by our BOE? Do you have one reason WHY we should change directions and follow the "M" word of former SHS princial Ron?
Actually, I have a few reasons why we should change directions: creationism, League of the South, Liberty Institute, Glenn Beck, and David Barton... Where is STRENGTHENING the curriculum in all of the ideas brought up by the current board that I listed?
If you like failure

Lebanon, OH

#26993 Aug 30, 2013
Excellence w Distinction wrote:
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If Dr. Malone is responsible for everything is Springboro schools, the we should be thanking him for our many Excellence with Distinction merits!
Thank you Dr. Malone!!!
Doesn't proficient equal failure to normal people. Only a school employee would have the nerve to celebrate a child scoring 48% on a test. If this were a barnyard, and it like it came out of the wrong end of a horse, and it smelled like it came out of the wrong end of the horse, and if you stepped in it and it felt like it came out of the wrong end of the horse, then it probably is the same stuff as your argument.
SAY NO TO CRAZY

Tipp City, OH

#26994 Aug 30, 2013
Lerxst wrote:
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Sorry, you are wrong. During school hours, outside religious organizations and clubs must not meet at public schools. After school hours, such groups may meet at a public school only if the school permits other outside clubs and organizations to meet at the same time and does not endorse the club's religious activity. It's settled law. This is settled constitutional law.
The course offered was not being offered during school hours nor to our children (at least forcefully). The only way our children could have attended is if they signed up for the course.
I suppose that among the reasons Kohls gave up is the complete lack of understanding of the law...just as you have shown here.
The BOE did endorse it, personally sent out emails announcing it, and gave the Superintendents office number to sign up and send the money for the classes. That's more than just allowing an outside group to use the facility.
Question Everything

Cincinnati, OH

#26995 Aug 30, 2013
Excellence w Distinction wrote:
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If Dr. Malone is responsible for everything is Springboro schools, the we should be thanking him for our many Excellence with Distinction merits!
Thank you Dr. Malone!!!
Is there anyone among our schools/community members who does not think we all owe Dr. Malone a note of Thanks? Of course there is No, not one, who does not graciously offer a note of Thanks for his 13 years of service as high school principal! Hasn't there be numerous events staged and pre-arranged since March 2012 to "laud and applaud" the insanely popular Dr. Malone? Of course we have celebrated outrageously because everybody loves a lover! And hasn't the good Dr. Malone loved almost all of us right back?
On a higher note, the Grand Opening of a New Symphony is making it's debut in our Springboro schools as our school superintendent and school staff have "thrown out the red carpet" to warmly Welcome our kids back to the NEW SCHOOL YEAR of 2013-14! How exciting to walk the familiar halls and see signs of New Adventures in Learning; new staff, new supplies, newly painted walls and polished floors! And the beginnning of the new day starts with the excitement of our kids getting on those NEW school buses and safely heading off to school! Why would any school board candidate mount a campaign to change this direction of opportunity in which our children's future education is successfuly heading?

Since: Dec 08

Cleveland, OH

#26996 Aug 30, 2013
Do your homework wrote:
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And the resonable explanation for voting in people to the BOE that don't have kids in the schools system? What about putting someone on the board that couldn't even take care of their personal finances, let alone the districts?
The board did take care of the finances. Have you not heard about the new contract with the teachers? Busing is back? text books? lower pay to play? a surplus? lower tax rate on the renewal levy?
Do your homework wrote:
<quoted text>Dr. Malone only has explaining to do to those who don't support him. He is not solely responsible for the entire district. Where was the BOE in guiding the curriculum? If Dr. Malone is so dangerous then why isn't Kelly running again?
Well, I don't support Malone and I am a voter. One would think he wants my vote. So, why not try to earn it? Why not tell me why my view of him is wrong? As for Kohls, I have no idea why she isn't running again. I suppose with all the board has accomplished with her at the helm...and you cannot deny the positives...would you want to work for people as thankful as you?
Do your homework wrote:
<quoted text>Face it, you're simply scared of his popularity. The board tried to remove him and could not. Not all voters need reasons for every little thing. In the end that is what will matter. All elections are popularity contests, otherwise an "actor" or a "community organizer" would have never become mayor or even president.
What I'm scared of is people voting purely as a popularity contest rather than looking at issues and the performance of those that want our vote. You nailed it when you describe obama's election. So, why would you let it slide when it comes to your kids? Asking the candidates to explain themselves is the least they can do.
Do your homework wrote:
<quoted text>The fact is his reason is only important to the 10+ people on this site that keep asking for it. It seems as if most people here just like to gripe and need a target. In the meantime Doug will keep copy and pasting, people will use the word hypocrite and most will keep griping about things that haven't even happened yet.
Unless, they see the writing on the wall.....
I find it hard to comprehend that asking a candidate for a position as important as this to explain themselves is considered griping. Doesn't the report that Dough keeps pasting trouble you in the least?
Try Following Suggestions

Lebanon, OH

#26997 Aug 30, 2013
Do your homework wrote:
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I get that, you just act as if Malone is the end-all. What power does the H.S. principal have over the Intermediate school principal? Doesn't the school board hold any responsibility in this? What about the assistant principal? For that matter, where have you been the past couple of years? Did you ever bring this to Malone's attention while he was at the H.S.?
It just occurs to me that there are so many people here pointing out the problems and never offering any solutions. Some people are people of action and don't have time to be on every blog on the internet because they are actually DOING something about it, others (not necessarily you) just gripe.
Why didn't Malone follow through with some of the suggestions? The suggestions from his peer group and that High Schools That Work program seem simple enough to administer.

Sounds like last night they started taking the advice they were paying for from that group. I can't believe it only took somebody a week to get that dual credit thing going. If that is truly the case Malone let a number of families down over the past few years.
Increasing Options

Lebanon, OH

#26998 Aug 30, 2013
SAY NO TO CRAZY wrote:
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Actually, I have a few reasons why we should change directions: creationism, League of the South, Liberty Institute, Glenn Beck, and David Barton... Where is STRENGTHENING the curriculum in all of the ideas brought up by the current board that I listed?
Sounds like the school district and the board started last night and did in a week what Malone couldn't do in 13 years. Dual credit sounds like a win for everyone, why didn't we have this before? Maybe next we can be honest about how much our kids are really learning.
Reality Bytes

Cincinnati, OH

#27000 Aug 30, 2013
SAY NO TO CRAZY wrote:
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Actually, I have a few reasons why we should change directions: creationism, League of the South, Liberty Institute, Glenn Beck, and David Barton... Where is STRENGTHENING the curriculum in all of the ideas brought up by the current board that I listed?
Excuse Me, But those "reasons" are only "realities" of YOUR criticisms and false accusations against our highly successful reform minded BOE representatives winning agenda for our schools and community.

How can you change "directions" from the distortions made up for
S-U-R-E anger and hatred shown for Springboro parent Kelly Kohls?(who has the same right to offer her concerns and input regarding her students classroom curriculum as any other ones of the David Bowman group for S-U-R-E.) Taxpaying homeowners ALL pay the same percentage of our property wealth to INVEST in the FUTURE of America's Leaders of Tomorrow! All taxpaying homeowners views MUST be respected and VALUED -- the SEA does NOT own our freedoms and our rights to free speech and voluntary religious expressions; just because they are employed in our taxpayer-funded schools.
If All our VOICES aren't represented on our freely elected Board of Education, then our schoold district would be judged Guilty of imposing taxation on targeted homeowners with NO representation on the BOE.

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