Our recommendation: Springboro voters should say 'yes' the first time to school levies

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really now

Dayton, OH

#25817 Jul 17, 2013
No to (let me count the ways)...Babb, Jobe, Malone, Johantges and any other levy loving Nazi.
In the News

Piqua, OH

#25818 Jul 17, 2013
Just Watching wrote:
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And speaking of who "had something to do with it", I have often wondered how someone could become that embolden to steal that much cash from children?
The prosecutor in the stated that Mr. Harves acted alone in this endeavor, but who created the environment for him to act this way?
Who failed in their duty to protect the children, the parents who did the work, and the donors who gave the cash?
Which individuals were aware of all the goings on within their schools and purview?
Which individuals were charged by the nature of their jobs with the budgets and finances of these support groups?
Which of these individuals who attended many a casino night or Friday night football game did not notice that the take from these events seemed light year after year after year?
Which principals were involved in the collection of concession stand monies in uncounted brown paper bags stuffed full of cash?
Who submitted Mr. Harves name for membership in the Athletic Hall of Fame 6 months before it all came crashing down on him?
Which Athletic Director put together the original numbers for the pay to participate program demonstrating the supposed shortfalls in funding?
Who hired the Athletic Director that fielded all questions on athletic funding?(The women in the district accounting offices said they were told to refer all questions regarding athletic funding to the Athletic Director)
Who decided that it was best to put the athletic accounting outside the the control of the district accounting offices?
When brought to the Athletic Director's attention that the Boosters had not filed a tax return since 2005, why would the Athletic Director explain it away as "because they did not rise to the $25,000 fund raising threshold required for reporting"?
How is it possible that the Athletic Director and those to whom he reported did not know this was a prevarication?(The very concession stand "donations" the Athletic Director recorded in his booster spreadsheet clearly demonstrated more than $25,000 in fund raising.)
Was the Athletic Director's direct superior at the high school?
Who has control over the athletic budgets and finances at the high school?
Why did no one at the Booster board level never ask for an accounting of the group?
Was the problem a tacit coziness between all parties concerned with the flow of money and accountability?(you don't look in my books too closely and I won't look in yours)
To myself this appears to be a massive failure of leadership at the district level, the high school level, and the booster level. People in whom we put our trust let us down completely.
It remains indicative of the problems that result when we spend other people's money rather than our own.
In the Star Press news article -Springboro Booster embezzler-sentenced- Warren County Prosecutor David Fornshell reminded non-profit organizations of the need to employ a system of checks and balances to make sure that no one person is in charge of cash receipts, bank accounts, and other financial responsibilities.
Fornshell, along with the Warren County Police Chiefs Association, recently sponsored a seminar to train volunteer leaders of youth, church, charitable, and other non-profit organizations as to how to avoid similar thefts from occurring in their organizations.

If the Athletic Boosters Board is operating as a non-profit organizaton, but declare that they are independent of the school board's authority, but they use school resources and students of the school to profit from, then where can accountability begin, and to whom? How can a system like the Boosters, with various branches of independent groups operating voluntarily, know how to keep their "checks and balances" from running into greedy disaster?
Yes Really

Piqua, OH

#25819 Jul 17, 2013
really now wrote:
No to (let me count the ways)...Babb, Jobe, Malone, Johantges and any other levy loving Nazi.
What's up with all the name calling? Are you really trying to compete with the nastiness of the Springboro Education Assoication teachers/union activists who lower themselves to the depts of their war of words indecency? Why not give it up? Do you really think it gets any lower than the SEA maney-acts?
The Next Day

Amelia, OH

#25820 Jul 17, 2013
From where I sit, I think the BOE majority (Kohls, Petroni, Rigano) agreed to accept the mediator's contract recommendation for two reasons:
1.) Give the raises in return for the Union dropping the negotiation violation charges, and
2.) Try and minimize the negative publicity around Kelly Kohl's and her reelection bid.

If this had gone on further, especially if it resulted in a strike, Petroni and Rigano would be almost assured of becoming a 2 person minority on the BOE. Now with the strike avoided, they hope to avoid that additional negative publicity. Trying to cut their losses. Still plenty of fodder for the other side with the circus they started around the Constitution and other subjects, the human resources court case facing them, etc.

In my opinion, the BOE majority's support of the new contract is all about trying to cut their losses and protect at least one BOE seat in the upcoming election.

Additionally, I think they should have kept the levy at the previous $9.2M level. This would allowed for the reinstatement of some services/classes previously cut, make some progress vs. growing class sizes and provide some risk management if the state funding and other anticipated new revenue sources don't pan out. Reducing the levy amount was another political move, not good fiscal management. Penny wise, pound foolish.
Reality Bytes

Piqua, OH

#25822 Jul 17, 2013
The 15% or so of reduced levy was because of the 12.5% tax increase to property owners included in the State Budget, on all new and renewal local levies that pass on the November ballot. So the taxpayer really got only about 2.5% reduction while the state got the rest. Taxpayers never get a break, only enslavement to the union manís rights of collective bargaining laws that are 100% wrong for our childrenís future.
No doubt

Englewood, OH

#25823 Jul 18, 2013
The Next Day wrote:
From where I sit, I think the BOE majority (Kohls, Petroni, Rigano) agreed to accept the mediator's contract recommendation for two reasons:
1.) Give the raises in return for the Union dropping the negotiation violation charges, and
2.) Try and minimize the negative publicity around Kelly Kohl's and her reelection bid.
If this had gone on further, especially if it resulted in a strike, Petroni and Rigano would be almost assured of becoming a 2 person minority on the BOE. Now with the strike avoided, they hope to avoid that additional negative publicity. Trying to cut their losses. Still plenty of fodder for the other side with the circus they started around the Constitution and other subjects, the human resources court case facing them, etc.
In my opinion, the BOE majority's support of the new contract is all about trying to cut their losses and protect at least one BOE seat in the upcoming election.
Additionally, I think they should have kept the levy at the previous $9.2M level. This would allowed for the reinstatement of some services/classes previously cut, make some progress vs. growing class sizes and provide some risk management if the state funding and other anticipated new revenue sources don't pan out. Reducing the levy amount was another political move, not good fiscal management. Penny wise, pound foolish.
There is no doubt that there is some truth in this statement. The board had to realize that being in the evening news every single night is not good for the community or for the children.

The one thing that I do find amusing is the thought that all the parents, teachers, citizens, firemen, police officers, city workers, etc. will somehow forget what an idiot Kelly Kohls is. In Novemeber, we will remember, and no matter how Kelly tries to smooth things over she is done for. Her bags should be packed, her political career of extremism and attacking those who work for a living and actually pay their bills will be over in a few short months.
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#25824 Jul 18, 2013
No doubt wrote:
<quoted text>
There is no doubt that there is some truth in this statement. The board had to realize that being in the evening news every single night is not good for the community or for the children.
The one thing that I do find amusing is the thought that all the parents, teachers, citizens, firemen, police officers, city workers, etc. will somehow forget what an idiot Kelly Kohls is. In Novemeber, we will remember, and no matter how Kelly tries to smooth things over she is done for. Her bags should be packed, her political career of extremism and attacking those who work for a living and actually pay their bills will be over in a few short months.
That is a bit harsh and a little overstated, wouldn't you say.

Manufactured crisis after manufactured crisis, along with some self induced pain on Ms. Kohls part produced your blog.

Too many good things have transpired during Ms. Kohls term of office to let them go unsung.

Balanced Budgets

No New Money Levies were run.

Full bussing restored to all schools.

A technology plan that was conceived and instituted that actually works.

Reduction of the pay to play scam from $475 per child to $265 with the option to drop it further to $165 if they took advantage of Mr. Rigano's service program

Booster Scandal uncovered thanks in part to Ms. Kohls support on the board.

$2.5 million dollars allocated and earmarked for textbook updates at the discretion of Ms. Strittenberger

Bus replacement program put in place to address aging and increasingly unsafe and neglected bus fleet. With support from Ms. Kohls, Mr. Petroni put together a program that provides a financially sound method of acquiring the necessary transportation for our children, not just this year, but into the future as well.

Two new contracts with our support staff and our teachers, all received raises for this year and next.
All while maintaining fiscal spending which projects NO new money levies for the next 4 years and keeps us within our financial means.

No teachers lost their jobs through Reductions in Force, in fact the BOE increased the number of teachers working in our district.

To put this in perspective, our loyal opposition projected catastrophic consequences if we did not pass one of the five failed $35,000,000 -$45,000,000 levies from 2008-2010.

All of the above was accomplished by a BOE that stayed the course in the face of hardened opposition from the union and its supporters who managed to throw roadblock or obstruction at every turn.

This is not the end but merely the beginning of a system that works in a transparent fashion in a fiscally responsible way for the well being and edification of our children.

Not a bad record if you look at things objectively.
Twp resident

Girard, OH

#25825 Jul 18, 2013
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
<quoted text>

All of the above was accomplished by a BOE that stayed the course in the face of hardened opposition from the union and its supporters who managed to throw roadblock or obstruction at every turn.
This is not the end but merely the beginning of a system that works in a transparent fashion in a fiscally responsible way for the well being and edification of our children.

Not a bad record if you look at things objectively.
The only thing SEA supporters seem to want to "look at objectively" are ways to creatively waste ever increasing amounts of the taxpayer's hard-earned green salad of salvation.
LOL Really

Dayton, OH

#25826 Jul 18, 2013
No doubt wrote:
<quoted text>
There is no doubt that there is some truth in this statement. The board had to realize that being in the evening news every single night is not good for the community or for the children.
The one thing that I do find amusing is the thought that all the parents, teachers, citizens, firemen, police officers, city workers, etc. will somehow forget what an idiot Kelly Kohls is. In Novemeber, we will remember, and no matter how Kelly tries to smooth things over she is done for. Her bags should be packed, her political career of extremism and attacking those who work for a living and actually pay their bills will be over in a few short months.
Please put your disgusting, personal, emotional opinion aside and tell us taxpayers, just what has Kelly done that you disagree with.

Use the list above that Mr. Wiedeman put together outlining the current boards achievements.
No Doubt

Englewood, OH

#25827 Jul 18, 2013
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
<quoted text>
That is a bit harsh and a little overstated, wouldn't you say.
Manufactured crisis after manufactured crisis, along with some self induced pain on Ms. Kohls part produced your blog.
Too many good things have transpired during Ms. Kohls term of office to let them go unsung.
Balanced Budgets
No New Money Levies were run.
Full bussing restored to all schools.
A technology plan that was conceived and instituted that actually works.
Reduction of the pay to play scam from $475 per child to $265 with the option to drop it further to $165 if they took advantage of Mr. Rigano's service program
Booster Scandal uncovered thanks in part to Ms. Kohls support on the board.
$2.5 million dollars allocated and earmarked for textbook updates at the discretion of Ms. Strittenberger
Bus replacement program put in place to address aging and increasingly unsafe and neglected bus fleet. With support from Ms. Kohls, Mr. Petroni put together a program that provides a financially sound method of acquiring the necessary transportation for our children, not just this year, but into the future as well.
Two new contracts with our support staff and our teachers, all received raises for this year and next.
All while maintaining fiscal spending which projects NO new money levies for the next 4 years and keeps us within our financial means.
No teachers lost their jobs through Reductions in Force, in fact the BOE increased the number of teachers working in our district.
To put this in perspective, our loyal opposition projected catastrophic consequences if we did not pass one of the five failed $35,000,000 -$45,000,000 levies from 2008-2010.
All of the above was accomplished by a BOE that stayed the course in the face of hardened opposition from the union and its supporters who managed to throw roadblock or obstruction at every turn.
This is not the end but merely the beginning of a system that works in a transparent fashion in a fiscally responsible way for the well being and edification of our children.
Not a bad record if you look at things objectively.
Not overstated, not overstated at all.

Objections:
- Creationism, ignoring popular opinion and the legal ramifications
- Gun toting teachers, ignoring the concerns of our police chief to push her agenda
- Union busting, pushing our teachers to the point of authorizing a strike
- Illegally posted the content of the contract negotiations, which will now surely result in legal expenses to cover her reckless agenda based decision making.
- Using her official BOE position to push her extremist tea party freak agenda on the regional and state levels.
- Droves of great teachers and administrators leaving due to BOE antics
- The booster scandal was uncovered by those in charge of that organization, while Kohls and the BOE had the authority and responsibility to oversee the organization all along yet failed to do so, creating an environment where the embezzlement could occur. Now the county prosecutor is going around teaching folks how to avoid being as incompetent as our BOE and Kelly Kohls was in this situation.
- Allowing racist and discriminatory rants and demonstrations at the BOE meetings, while stifling those objecting to BOE agendas.
- And last but not least, her personal financial example sending a message to our students that it is OK to rack up nearly a million dollars in debt and then declare bankruptcy, followed by a all expenses vacation overseas for her whole gang.

I'm sick of seeing our community on the news every night for the wrong reasons. The only way that's going to end is if we get Kohls out of there this fall and Rigano next round.

Only 110 days until Tuesday, November 05 2013! 3 months and 18 days from today we all can say bye bye Kelly!
Twp resident

Girard, OH

#25828 Jul 18, 2013
No doubt wrote:
<quoted text>
There is no doubt that there is some truth in this statement. The board had to realize that being in the evening news every single night is not good for the community or for the children.
The one thing that I do find amusing is the thought that all the parents, teachers, citizens, firemen, police officers, city workers, etc. will somehow forget what an idiot Kelly Kohls is. In Novemeber, we will remember, and no matter how Kelly tries to smooth things over she is done for. Her bags should be packed, her political career of extremism and attacking those who work for a living and actually pay their bills will be over in a few short months.
If you want, call Kelly Kohls any name in the book. I know her quite well. She'll take anything that comes her way.

The fact of the matter is virtually everything Kelly Jim and David do and say is geared strictly toward the best interests of Springboro students. This same claim cannot be made for most anyone under the direct influence of a CORRUPTED PUBLIC UNION.
No Doubt

Englewood, OH

#25829 Jul 18, 2013
Twp resident wrote:
<quoted text>
If you want, call Kelly Kohls any name in the book. I know her quite well. She'll take anything that comes her way.
The fact of the matter is virtually everything Kelly Jim and David do and say is geared strictly toward the best interests of Springboro students. This same claim cannot be made for most anyone under the direct influence of a CORRUPTED PUBLIC UNION.
I am not part of a union, nor am I under any type of influence of a union. No one in my family works in a union job nor do we have any interest in the Springboro school district except our children in SHS and SJHS.

Still, I hold that one can see Kelly's makeup plastered face all over YouTube making a mockery of our community on her tea party circuit of silliness.

What Kelly does is what is in her best interest alone, as evidenced by her lack of consideration for our students as they now hear constantly "oh, you're from Springboro, we hear all about you guys on the news..." Whatever it takes to get the anti-tax, pro-gun agenda in the news.
Really

Piqua, OH

#25830 Jul 18, 2013
DW stated:... No teachers lost their jobs through Reductions in Force, in fact the BOE increased the number of teachers working in our district...

If you are going to make a statement like that then you need to clarify. The new teachers were brought in as a result of the added preschool to the district.

If you can, please clarify - will there be the same number of teachers in the high school as there was at the beginning of last year? Will there be the same number of teachers in the lower grades?

From the briefing that Mr. Petrey presented several months ago, there were several open positions that would not be filled - has that changed? Will all of the English electives be offered, will the History electives be offered, will industrial arts be offered... lots of questions still and your claim that there are more teachers is misleading.

Textbooks

Piqua, OH

#25831 Jul 18, 2013
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
<quoted text>
That is great, if they mastered all of the material in the books then they would have been in the 20% that was able to pass the math portion of the Ohio Achievement Assessment tests in the Junior High.
As for the other 80% who were unable to pass the test, maybe we could work Bullet Point #1 on them.
As a matter of fact they were in the top 20%. Which begs the question, if my children can learn in the classroom and can learn from their textbooks then why can't others? What's the difference between my children and those that are failing? The one constant I see between them is the teachers. Could it be that there are other issues?

Do you have a second bullet point?
Twp resident

Girard, OH

#25832 Jul 18, 2013
The Next Day wrote:
Additionally, I think they should have kept the levy at the previous $9.2M level. This would allowed for the reinstatement of some services/classes previously cut, make some progress vs. growing class sizes and provide some risk management if the state funding and other anticipated new revenue sources don't pan out. Reducing the levy amount was another political move, not good fiscal management. Penny wise, pound foolish.
In light of the compromises gained by the teachers union, reducing the levy amount is absolutely a common sense move. Please stop it with the infinately lame class size argument. Compare Springboro and U.S. class sizes to that of the rest of the civilized world. If there's a "problem" to be solved, it's NOT too many kids in a classroom. This "problem" is certain parents who should have never become parents. This "problem" is a certain small percentage of teachers who absolutely don't belong in the classroom. We can only pray that our BOE'S successful negotiation of an establishment of an equitable performance pay system will be a beginning of ridding this district of its small but very notoroius contingent of sub-par teachers.
If Only

Englewood, OH

#25833 Jul 18, 2013
Twp resident wrote:
<quoted text>
We can only pray that our BOE'S successful negotiation of an establishment of an equitable performance pay system will be a beginning of ridding this district of its small but very notoroius contingent of sub-par teachers.
If only an equitable intelligence system would rid us of the small but very notorious contingent of township residents such as yourself that are sub-par in terms of common sense...
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#25834 Jul 18, 2013
No Doubt wrote:
<quoted text>
Not overstated, not overstated at all.
Objections:
- Creationism, ignoring popular opinion and the legal ramifications
- Gun toting teachers, ignoring the concerns of our police chief to push her agenda
- Union busting, pushing our teachers to the point of authorizing a strike
- Illegally posted the content of the contract negotiations, which will now surely result in legal expenses to cover her reckless agenda based decision making.
- Using her official BOE position to push her extremist tea party freak agenda on the regional and state levels.
- Droves of great teachers and administrators leaving due to BOE antics
- The booster scandal was uncovered by those in charge of that organization, while Kohls and the BOE had the authority and responsibility to oversee the organization all along yet failed to do so, creating an environment where the embezzlement could occur. Now the county prosecutor is going around teaching folks how to avoid being as incompetent as our BOE and Kelly Kohls was in this situation.
- Allowing racist and discriminatory rants and demonstrations at the BOE meetings, while stifling those objecting to BOE agendas.
- And last but not least, her personal financial example sending a message to our students that it is OK to rack up nearly a million dollars in debt and then declare bankruptcy, followed by a all expenses vacation overseas for her whole gang.
I'm sick of seeing our community on the news every night for the wrong reasons. The only way that's going to end is if we get Kohls out of there this fall and Rigano next round.
Only 110 days until Tuesday, November 05 2013! 3 months and 18 days from today we all can say bye bye Kelly!
Well were to start

The board policy on controversial issues references evolution/creation......NO isms involved. Evolution lets us study how things have changed in response to the environment. Creation allows us to study from whence it all came. Do you like the big bang theory? A theory of creation.

No one has ever suggested that all of our teachers be armed, but having a frank discussion in the wake of school shootings is much better than sticking our heads in the sand. While we may have a fine police force and Officer Don, they cannot be everywhere all of the time.

Teachers have a right to strike, it is part of the law of the land. If they decide they have no other negotiating leverage but to refuse to work, then that is their decision. Ms Kohls had no power to push around the Ohio Education Association, everything they did was of their own volition.

I personally like to know how my elected representatives are spending our money. It gives me great satisfaction to know what is in these contracts before we suggest we sign them. I still remember quite well when the the Speaker of the House said " "We Have to Pass the Bill So That You Can Find Out What Is In It". That was the response we received when we wanted to know what Obamacare was all about. I do not believe the taxpayers, nor the recipients were well served by that piece of legislative chicanery.


If transparency in government, fiscal responsibility, and accountability are "FREAK" agenda items, sign me up. Please tell me what is wrong with any of those positions where they relate to the public good.

I do not believe she drove out anyone, I think you project way too much power onto one woman. I would say we seriously upgraded our administrative staff from the Superintendent to the HR Director to the Curriculum Director to the Business Manager. I would proudly match them up against their predecessors anytime.

The Boosters were still begging Harves to open the books when he finally saw the folly of stalling any longer based upon the relentless pursuit of the truth by the Budget and Finance Committee. No one in the boosters examined the books for 20 years, had they he would have been exposed and ungodly amounts saved.
Twp resident

Girard, OH

#25835 Jul 18, 2013
No Doubt wrote:
<quoted text>
I am not part of a union, nor am I under any type of influence of a union. No one in my family works in a union job nor do we have any interest in the Springboro school district except our children in SHS and SJHS.
Still, I hold that one can see Kelly's makeup plastered face all over YouTube making a mockery of our community on her tea party circuit of silliness.
What Kelly does is what is in her best interest alone, as evidenced by her lack of consideration for our students as they now hear constantly "oh, you're from Springboro, we hear all about you guys on the news..." Whatever it takes to get the anti-tax, pro-gun agenda in the news.
Speaking of agendas...
What do you think of the Obama administration's ongoing strong efforts to program socialist ideals into the minds of this nation's young people by way of America's public school systems?
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#25836 Jul 18, 2013
Really wrote:
DW stated:... No teachers lost their jobs through Reductions in Force, in fact the BOE increased the number of teachers working in our district...
If you are going to make a statement like that then you need to clarify. The new teachers were brought in as a result of the added preschool to the district.
If you can, please clarify - will there be the same number of teachers in the high school as there was at the beginning of last year? Will there be the same number of teachers in the lower grades?
From the briefing that Mr. Petrey presented several months ago, there were several open positions that would not be filled - has that changed? Will all of the English electives be offered, will the History electives be offered, will industrial arts be offered... lots of questions still and your claim that there are more teachers is misleading.
Thankfully we have the Transparency Project to adjudicate some of these matters. According to the staff report we had 336 staff members in 2011-12 and 342 in 2012- 13. Mr. Petrey's plan was not active last year. Ask the staff in Beavercreek, how their numbers from those time periods stack up.

I do believe that Industrial Arts is headed out the door towards the Career Center. Other classes are continually being evaluated for student interest and relativity. If we do not need as many teachers in a certain area, then by all means we should reallocate those resources to other areas of greater need.

Businesses reallocate resources continually to improve their competitive positions. Schools must do the same thing, we can no longer afford the luxury of making up classes for teachers to teach. We have a defined amount of resources that must be placed where the students, the parents, and the taxpayers get the most bang for the buck.

Have all of our past administrators and principals been up to that task, sadly some have not.
If Only

Englewood, OH

#25837 Jul 18, 2013
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
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Well were to start
"Were to start"?

WHERE I would suggest you start would be introductory grammar class.

After you complete that work up to employment law, fair labor standards, and federal discrimination law.

After those are within your grasp, move to management and leadership texts by those such as John Maxwell, Steven Covey, and Warren Bennis.

Perhaps through this part you will see the radical departure this board has taken from reason, good management practice, and legal employment actions.

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