Rep. Dave Hildenbrand on lifting smok...

Rep. Dave Hildenbrand on lifting smoking ban for veteran's home: It won't be easy

There are 16 comments on the MLive.com story from Aug 30, 2010, titled Rep. Dave Hildenbrand on lifting smoking ban for veteran's home: It won't be easy. In it, MLive.com reports that:

Legislation is in the works to permit smokers who live at the Grand Rapids Home for Veterans to use the smoking porches.

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Smoke Free VET

Duluth, GA

#1 Aug 31, 2010
Smoke Free MEANS Smoke Free!!! Why should the sick non-smokering vets have to inhale even a little wiff of smoke. That's Awful! Sorry smoking vets but its YOUR habit not the STAFF or the non-smoking vets. Go Outside!!!

No employee should be exposed PERIOD. If you need a smoking fix go outside. Just because you are a vet doesn't overide the laws. I served over 22 years and don't expect ANYTHING above the law.

Rep Hildebrand is way out of line trying to protect the smokers, what about the STAFF and NON-Smokers? He should think before opening his trap.

“Taz say Hi”

Since: Jan 08

Holland,MI

#2 Aug 31, 2010
The smoking porches are set up with separate ventilation from the rest of the facility. The non smoking vets are not exposed to smoke unless they choose to go out onto the porches. Nobody is proposing to force the non smoking vets to be expsed to smoke.

I feel this should be expanded to include the veterans' organizations own facilities, their club houses. Give them the freedom to make their own decisions regarding smoking in their private clubs. Many have already (some years ago)had a vote which resulted in their facilities being set up with smoking and non smoking areas. They have also in the past had the freedom to make their facility "smoke free", if they so desired. That is the freedom that they fought for and defended with their lives.
Dominic

Jackson, MI

#3 Aug 31, 2010
This Hildenbrand guy seems to waste his time with a lot of inconsequential legislation like this. I remember a couple years ago he was sponsoring a bill to have a "gas tax holiday" because the gas prices were too high. He is all about getting publicity for himself, because he knows the Legislature can't control gas prices. Next thing you know, he will be introducing legislation to ban texting while biking. Maybe he's already done that.

And these guys wonder why people hate politicians so much.
Mule Skinner

United States

#4 Aug 31, 2010
What donít you get out of this story? The point is that this is home for these guys, not a country club. Smoking was banned in this facility many years ago, since then they have had to go outside or into a glass enclosed porch when the weather is poor. There isnít a lot left that these guys can do any more. Now it seems that the people of this state think that they know best what a person can or cannot do in their own home. The only complaint I have heard form the facility is that perhaps it isnít fair that the staff has to be exposed to the smoke should there be a need to attend to one of the residents while they are in the smoking porch (or whatever they call it). Non-smoking residents are not exposed. If the staff has this complaint, I know of a couple of Veteran organizations that will happily supply them with facemasks. Not paid for with your tax dollars, so you will feel nothing of the return of this simple freedom to a few worthy veterans. Perhaps if you were to take the time and visit the homeÖno probably not.
Smoke Free Vet

Duluth, GA

#5 Sep 1, 2010
Mule Skinner wrote:
What donít you get out of this story? The point is that this is home for these guys, not a country club. Smoking was banned in this facility many years ago, since then they have had to go outside or into a glass enclosed porch when the weather is poor. There isnít a lot left that these guys can do any more. Now it seems that the people of this state think that they know best what a person can or cannot do in their own home. The only complaint I have heard form the facility is that perhaps it isnít fair that the staff has to be exposed to the smoke should there be a need to attend to one of the residents while they are in the smoking porch (or whatever they call it). Non-smoking residents are not exposed. If the staff has this complaint, I know of a couple of Veteran organizations that will happily supply them with facemasks. Not paid for with your tax dollars, so you will feel nothing of the return of this simple freedom to a few worthy veterans. Perhaps if you were to take the time and visit the homeÖno probably not.
Who has to clean up these so called smoking porches? Employees?

“Be Respectful”

Since: Jul 08

Grand Rapids

#6 Sep 2, 2010
Actually, the volunteer handbook states that the GR Home for Veterans IS their HOME, and the volunteers or visitors are just that, visitors. This handbook also states that we MUST respect their HOME. Those smoking rooms, which sit at the end of each hall, now sit empty.

Do you realize that to the elderly veterans, who fought for our rights, cigarettes get them through the day. Many are in wheelchairs or walk with walkers, and they should not be made to go outside in inclement weather to have a cigarette. Many will get pneumonia or colds, which could lead to a quarantine at the Home, leaving these residents without activities, which also get them through the day.

I'm in agreement with them to give them back their home and their rights.

“Conservative News”

Since: Jun 10

Grand Haven, MI

#7 Sep 2, 2010
I don't support a smoking ban anywhere, anyplace, anytime. Bad law. Your liberty folks, down the tube.
By the way I don't smoke.

Smoke Free Vet

Duluth, GA

#8 Sep 2, 2010
RightWingExtremist wrote:
I don't support a smoking ban anywhere, anyplace, anytime. Bad law. Your liberty folks, down the tube.
By the way I don't smoke.
Yea, you don't smoke like I have a 12 incher. You really sound like a damn fool redneck. The liberty of 80% of the non smokers has grown. Smoke if you want but far away from me and my family.

“Taz say Hi”

Since: Jan 08

Holland,MI

#9 Sep 2, 2010
Smoke Free Vet wrote:
<quoted text>
Yea, you don't smoke like I have a 12 incher. You really sound like a damn fool redneck. The liberty of 80% of the non smokers has grown. Smoke if you want but far away from me and my family.
This is definitely an uncalled for personal attack. Thankfully, most vets do not agree with you.
Smoke Free Vet

Duluth, GA

#10 Sep 2, 2010
Gentle Taz wrote:
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This is definitely an uncalled for personal attack. Thankfully, most vets do not agree with you.
So are you the NEW spokesman for most vets? I don't think so PAL.


Smoking should not be permitted on any VA medical center or home. It's a health hazard to the employees, guests, occupants, and the tax payers. Granted they served our country but that doesn't exempt them from the laws and rules of the land.

The VA medical centers already have many health rules, safety rules, visitor rules that the patients have to follow in order to stay their. Alcohol, gambling, etc.

“Be Respectful”

Since: Jul 08

Grand Rapids

#11 Sep 2, 2010
I think anyone can be a spokesperson for our veterans. Do you know that there are many employees at the Veterans Home who agree that the residents get their smoking rooms back? These employees are the ones that will wind up taking care of the residents when they get colds or pneumonia because of this law. There are also many volunteers that think the same way.

By giving them back their smoking rooms in THEIR home, it insures safety for the residents, especially during the winter months.

“Taz say Hi”

Since: Jan 08

Holland,MI

#12 Sep 3, 2010
Smoke Free Vet wrote:
<quoted text>
So are you the NEW spokesman for most vets? I don't think so PAL.
Smoking should not be permitted on any VA medical center or home. It's a health hazard to the employees, guests, occupants, and the tax payers. Granted they served our country but that doesn't exempt them from the laws and rules of the land.
The VA medical centers already have many health rules, safety rules, visitor rules that the patients have to follow in order to stay their. Alcohol, gambling, etc.
Neither are you the spokesman for all vets.
Smoke Free Vet

Duluth, GA

#13 Sep 3, 2010
Gail in Wyoming wrote:
I think anyone can be a spokesperson for our veterans. Do you know that there are many employees at the Veterans Home who agree that the residents get their smoking rooms back? These employees are the ones that will wind up taking care of the residents when they get colds or pneumonia because of this law. There are also many volunteers that think the same way.
By giving them back their smoking rooms in THEIR home, it insures safety for the residents, especially during the winter months.
Colds and pneumonia are not caused by cold weather.

Also how does smoking in THEIR home insure safety? How many home fires are caused by cigarette smokers. Does falling asleep with a lit butt ring a bell? Does putting a lit cig butt in a trash can ring a bell. Their O2 tank blew up from a smoker. I've read many headlines along those lines.
Lets not even talk about the physical damage caused by burn marks left on (not their property) but government property.

Smoking in ANY apartment, condo, or hospital is wrong and just won't be accepted in the future. Smokers are welcome it's just their nasty harmful hazardous smoking habit that is not welcomed.

“Be Respectful”

Since: Jul 08

Grand Rapids

#14 Sep 3, 2010
Smoke Free Vet wrote:
<quoted text>
Colds and pneumonia are not caused by cold weather.
Also how does smoking in THEIR home insure safety? How many home fires are caused by cigarette smokers. Does falling asleep with a lit butt ring a bell? Does putting a lit cig butt in a trash can ring a bell. Their O2 tank blew up from a smoker. I've read many headlines along those lines.
Lets not even talk about the physical damage caused by burn marks left on (not their property) but government property.
Smoking in ANY apartment, condo, or hospital is wrong and just won't be accepted in the future. Smokers are welcome it's just their nasty harmful hazardous smoking habit that is not welcomed.
I can see all of those things you mentioned happening if they don't get their smoking rooms back. They will be sneaking around during inclement weather to have their cigarettes, and accidents WILL happen. Oxygen tanks are not allowed in the smoking rooms, and the residents respect the fact that smoking is allowed only in the smoking rooms. It has been that way for years. If we take that right away from them, they will find some way to smoke by not going outside during the bad weather.

I don't smoke, but if I did, I'd be furious if someone told me I couldn't in my own home.
John Smith

Waterloo, Canada

#15 Sep 7, 2010
Smoke Free Vet: name , rank and serial # please.
Mark

Rockford, MI

#16 Oct 4, 2010
They need to end all these public smoking bans. It's about as anti-american as you can get.

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