More guns in public schools?

More guns in public schools?

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Concerned Parent

United States

#1 Dec 19, 2012
Since, the 2nd deadliest school shooting in history, occurred this past Friday morning, when a 20 year old, with personality disorder, killed 20 kids and 6 adults, in Newtown Connecticut, many states are now talking about proposing a bill, allowing teachers to carry guns, while working in public schools. Don't know if Arkansas is one of these states or not. No doubt, there are many problems with our public schools, all over the U.S., and something has to be done, our kids deserve better. We as parents, must find a way to see to it that, our kids are educated and protected, that they are all treated equally and right. Do you think the teachers should be allowed to carry guns, while teaching our kids? What other concerns do you have about our public schools and what solutions do you feel would make it better? If you are an educator you may feel offended by reading this, that is not the intent, but you may not want to stay on this thread. We are parents who want to help our kids.
BigMouth Wise Old NAPPY

Kiana, AK

#2 Dec 19, 2012
Hmmm, you think educators might get offended? Well, they might. I've heard some are very easily OFFENDED. But why would this offend them? It's just a public discussion. And surely teachers do not frequent this site. No way, not Topix. Aren't they much too intelligent for that? They don't have any interest in gossip like this site, surely. Don't they have their own meeting places where can do their own intellilectual gossip and backbiting? NAPPY, would you stop reading those teacher sites and parent forums? I think you get a kick out of reading that junk.

Seriously, yawl had better do some serious thinking about that matter. Do you remember the two teachers in Memphis who got into a fight at school either this year or last year? And they were white women. Judge Judy had two teachers on her show who couldn't get along and ended up in court over something petty. Give it some serious thought. This really is a new day.
BigMouth Wise Old NAPPY

Kiana, AK

#3 Dec 19, 2012
But I thought you people were such a civil society. So benevolent. So kind-hearted. So loving of all. This country has come to this-considering forcing or allowing its educators to carry guns on the job where there are little children. To think that you would even consider that being a possible solution to the problem. Hmmm, and yawl say blacks are the wild animals. Most of the school shootings have been done by whites. Whites killing their own. Who would've ever thought? Not in a million years. Gosh, did yawl have us fooled big time. And now that YOU are killing your own young and yoe mommuhs, the problem must be that YOU are mentally imbalanced. Yes, that has to be it since it's perpetrated by whites. Yeah right. In your minds whites are mentally imbalanced but blacks are just plain criminals. Hmmm. Ahhh, how nice it must be to be the privileged ones.
Sportsters

West Memphis, AR

#4 Dec 19, 2012
Concerned Parent wrote:
Since, the 2nd deadliest school shooting in history, occurred this past Friday morning, when a 20 year old, with personality disorder, killed 20 kids and 6 adults, in Newtown Connecticut, many states are now talking about proposing a bill, allowing teachers to carry guns, while working in public schools. Don't know if Arkansas is one of these states or not. No doubt, there are many problems with our public schools, all over the U.S., and something has to be done, our kids deserve better. We as parents, must find a way to see to it that, our kids are educated and protected, that they are all treated equally and right. Do you think the teachers should be allowed to carry guns, while teaching our kids? What other concerns do you have about our public schools and what solutions do you feel would make it better? If you are an educator you may feel offended by reading this, that is not the intent, but you may not want to stay on this thread. We are parents who want to help our kids.
You point out correctly the defining issue ... mental illness ..., but then you blame school systems for being the problem. The school system was NOT the problem in the Newtown massacre, nor is any school system the cause of the mental illness, with its endless supply of issues and difficulties, but rather the causes will be found in the larger US society.
Concerned Parent

United States

#5 Dec 20, 2012
BigMouth Wise Old NAPPY wrote:
But I thought you people were such a civil society. So benevolent. So kind-hearted. So loving of all. This country has come to this-considering forcing or allowing its educators to carry guns on the job where there are little children. To think that you would even consider that being a possible solution to the problem. Hmmm, and yawl say blacks are the wild animals. Most of the school shootings have been done by whites. Whites killing their own. Who would've ever thought? Not in a million years. Gosh, did yawl have us fooled big time. And now that YOU are killing your own young and yoe mommuhs, the problem must be that YOU are mentally imbalanced. Yes, that has to be it since it's perpetrated by whites. Yeah right. In your minds whites are mentally imbalanced but blacks are just plain criminals. Hmmm. Ahhh, how nice it must be to be the privileged ones.
I am not considering this a solution to any of the problems, I consider it a last straw for educators. Their solutions are worse than the problems. That is why I started this thread, to let parents know what they are proposing to do now, and that we have to bring forth change, that really solves the problems, not just cover it up. We've been letting educators make the rules, look where it's gotten us, so now it's parents turn. This is for kids of every race, not one certain race, all kids are equal and should be treated the same. This thread was not created to divide races, I created it, in an effort to help all children, and if race is going to be made the the major issue, please do not reply, this is in the best interest of all kids. Discrimination is an issue in schools, but please do not discriminate on this thread, it will not help our kids.There are people of all races who are mentally imbalanced, not just white. There are people of all races who are criminal.
Concerned Parent

United States

#6 Dec 20, 2012
Sportsters wrote:
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You point out correctly the defining issue ... mental illness ..., but then you blame school systems for being the problem. The school system was NOT the problem in the Newtown massacre, nor is any school system the cause of the mental illness, with its endless supply of issues and difficulties, but rather the causes will be found in the larger US society.
I did not blame the school system for this 20 year old doing what he did, and I did not say it was the mental illness either. But, the killer had no criminal record, and from what I've read, did well in school, and had friends. So, the assumption can be made, that his illness has been controlled in some way, and a person who has control of their illness does not go out and shoot up an elementary school, his own mom, then take his own life. Something had to trigger his anger, and why of all places choose a school, unless that may be where his anger was pointed to begin with. If schools provided a safe environment for our kids, like they are supposed to do, then how does a 20 year old take 3 guns into a school and kill 26 people? I love my kids and want the best for them, so I am not willing to keep waiting for change to happen, I'm ready to do what I can to make change happen, so maybe this type of tragedy doesn't happen in this district to my kids or anyone else. I don't expect everyone to agree with me, or to want to be involved in what I'm trying to do, but as a parent, I owe it to my kids to see to it they get an education in public schools the same as any other kid, and that their rights are not violated, just because they are kids, and can not do anything about it. This isn't only about my kids but every kid who attends public schools.
haters gonna hate

North Little Rock, AR

#7 Dec 20, 2012
90% of all the shooting at the schools the shooters were on meds.Why not stop the sell of these drugs that are not going to make them better it just makes zombies out of them.
truth

United States

#8 Dec 20, 2012
I will say this the people in Washington are stupid for trying to ban the weapons. Just plan STUPID
haters gonna hate

North Little Rock, AR

#9 Dec 20, 2012
Their not going to win this one.All they needed was one brave Teacher with a gun that was a good shot.The Angels would have been happy to help the aim of the good Guys.
Fo Show

Benton, AR

#10 Dec 20, 2012
I just think arming teachers is a bad idea. We've got police officers running around that shouldn't be given a gun and they are supposedly trained. Putting a police officer in every school would be the one probably solutiont to stopping a shooter from being able to inflict mass casualties. That along with limiting access and a few more common sense ideas is really about all you can do. You can not plan for every single possibility so you have to do what you can. Arming teachers sounds like increasing risk to me.
Concerned Parent

United States

#11 Dec 20, 2012
haters gonna hate wrote:
90% of all the shooting at the schools the shooters were on meds.Why not stop the sell of these drugs that are not going to make them better it just makes zombies out of them.
You are right, most of them are on medication, to control mental disorders in which they can not otherwise control. These disorders are not easy to diagnose and treat, because so many of them carry mask symptoms of other disorders that do not exist in these patients. Treating these patients, is basically trial and error, because every person's body system reacts differently, it's hard to know how each one will react to the drug, until they are on it. Although it seems to be the medications reaction, that makes them lose all control, it is not always the case. Usually it is because they stopped taking the meds. without doctor supervision or they have been through a situation that caused an extreme amount of anger, in which triggers extreme violent behavior. Society can also push people with mental disorders over the edge, by the way they treat them. I am, by no means, defending this 20 year old boy, but perhaps attempting to supply people with reality of mental disorders, and their effects, so maybe people will understand what goes on with mentally ill. Before one can try to help these people, to maybe prevent situations like this, you must understand the illness they struggle with. Sometimes, being a zombie is far better than what they would be like if they were on no meds. There are some who are put on these mind altering drugs, that do not need them, but people like the school systems do not want to deal with them, because they are high spirited or naturally energetic, so their solution is to medicate them on narcotics, which can lead to drug abuse later on.
Concerned Parent

United States

#12 Dec 20, 2012
haters gonna hate wrote:
Their not going to win this one.All they needed was one brave Teacher with a gun that was a good shot.The Angels would have been happy to help the aim of the good Guys.
I do not think the angels would be happy because killing another human is wrong, no matter what the reason. That's God's law. If schools would have solid security, and enforce it at all times, this would prevent situations such as school shootings. When guns are used for killing, 97% of the time, an innocent person gets caught in the middle and injured or killed. I do not want a gun in the hands of teachers, so that my child can be another one of those innocent victims. I do not think this would be fair, because if a child is bullying or hitting on another in schools, teachers deny them the right to defend themselves, the only option our kids have is to tell on them, which a lot of times makes the situation worse. If they do defend themselves they are punished for it, yet now teachers expect to be given a way to defend themselves, when they teach kids it's wrong. Violence doesn't have to be the answer, just secure the schools in every way possible to prevent shooters from entering to begin with. Bravery does not come from hiding behind a gun, if a group of adults would have physically took him down, that would have been an act of bravery, willing to sacrifice their own lives to save those kids. If they physically took him down, he wouldn't have been able to shoot them all. Hiding behind a gun is what the shooter done, and I can not see the bravery in it. Cowardly is more like it, real men fight with what God gave them.
Guest

Memphis, TN

#13 Dec 20, 2012
Fo Show wrote:
I just think arming teachers is a bad idea. We've got police officers running around that shouldn't be given a gun and they are supposedly trained. Putting a police officer in every school would be the one probably solutiont to stopping a shooter from being able to inflict mass casualties. That along with limiting access and a few more common sense ideas is really about all you can do. You can not plan for every single possibility so you have to do what you can. Arming teachers sounds like increasing risk to me.
Perhaps your children or grandchildren can be placed in rooms with unarmed teachers and mine can be placed in rooms with armed ones. A uniformed person (officer, military, guard, whatever) would simply become the first target. They'd be taken out first, and then the bad guys would continue their rampage. The element of surprise is what is needed. The cowards ALWAYS go to the places where they know guns 'aren't allowed'. Why do you think that is? It's too bad the principal wasn't armed and able to take the SOB down! Instead- she threw her BODY at him. I praise her effort, but, it didn't work out so great did it? How about the teachers? How many of them died because they were sitting ducks? How many babies? Again, my kids and grand kids can be in a room with a packing teacher starting tomorrow as far as I'm concerned!
Side note- they do need to be adequately trained and comfortable with their weapon as well as have conflict training (?) There is no 'one answer' here.
Concerned Parent

United States

#14 Dec 20, 2012
Fo Show wrote:
I just think arming teachers is a bad idea. We've got police officers running around that shouldn't be given a gun and they are supposedly trained. Putting a police officer in every school would be the one probably solutiont to stopping a shooter from being able to inflict mass casualties. That along with limiting access and a few more common sense ideas is really about all you can do. You can not plan for every single possibility so you have to do what you can. Arming teachers sounds like increasing risk to me.
I agree. Personally, I do not believe in owning guns, they were created for killing, and owning one enables killing. However, I also believe since it is a Constitutional right, that it should not be stripped from the people to own one, if they choose to. But I do believe stricter laws about owning them should be in place. Firearms cannot be in a home where felons live unless they are under lock and key and felons cannot have any possible access to the key, this is a current law of our state. But, what about in homes where mentally ill people or children reside? If not for the shooters mom having guns in the home he lived in, he would not have had a gun to shoot anyone with. How many kids have accidentally shot other kids, because they were playing with a gun they found in their home? Stricter laws need to be in place and parents need to realize guns kill, do not make them accessible to your kids and to mentally ill patients.
See It Like It Is

United States

#15 Dec 20, 2012
BigMouth Wise Old NAPPY wrote:
But I thought you people were such a civil society. So benevolent. So kind-hearted. So loving of all. This country has come to this-considering forcing or allowing its educators to carry guns on the job where there are little children. To think that you would even consider that being a possible solution to the problem. Hmmm, and yawl say blacks are the wild animals. Most of the school shootings have been done by whites. Whites killing their own. Who would've ever thought? Not in a million years. Gosh, did yawl have us fooled big time. And now that YOU are killing your own young and yoe mommuhs, the problem must be that YOU are mentally imbalanced. Yes, that has to be it since it's perpetrated by whites. Yeah right. In your minds whites are mentally imbalanced but blacks are just plain criminals. Hmmm. Ahhh, how nice it must be to be the privileged ones.
Even when people try to unite, to agree on current problems and possible solutions, so more steps can be taken to bring forth changes that must happen, one thing we can count on is Nappy attempting to divide the people by crying like race is an issue that is more important than an issue that currently affects our children. Talk about mental imbalance. In any balanced mind, killing another human is mental imbalance, esp. when they are children. Any killer is a criminal, despite the color of their skin. Whites used to shoot whites down for disrespecting them, taking what was theirs, and many other reasons, that has been no secret. It's not only whites considering this, YOUR black president is too. Privileged? That's funny. What do whites get that blacks do not? What rights do whites have that blacks don't? This racial issue of yours is in your head. You are the only one that ever brings it up. The fact that he had mental illness, was not an excuse for his actions, but may answer some unanswered questions those families may have needed before their pain could begin to heal.
See It Like It Is

United States

#16 Dec 20, 2012
No, guns should not be allowed in schools. How the hell, can Americans, kick God out of schools but bring guns into schools. In God we Trust, is put on our money, God is used in our legal system, in times of trouble floods, quakes, fires, killings, we call on God, but when our kids could be in danger we call for guns, to create more death and violence. Why not call on God before a child is killed in our schools, and not wait until after it happens and then ask God Why it happened. Those are his children and we have banned him from them for no reason. Put God back in our schools and more good will come from it, keep denying him and more evils will happen.
Guest

Benton, AR

#17 Dec 20, 2012
See It Like It Is wrote:
No, guns should not be allowed in schools. How the hell, can Americans, kick God out of schools but bring guns into schools. In God we Trust, is put on our money, God is used in our legal system, in times of trouble floods, quakes, fires, killings, we call on God, but when our kids could be in danger we call for guns, to create more death and violence. Why not call on God before a child is killed in our schools, and not wait until after it happens and then ask God Why it happened. Those are his children and we have banned him from them for no reason. Put God back in our schools and more good will come from it, keep denying him and more evils will happen.
Gods always been in schools. Kids can pray whenever they like and always have. We don't all worship the same God so we pray silently to our God and others do to theirs. That's such a rediculous claim to say God's no longer in schools!
BigMouth Wise Old NAPPY

Kiana, AK

#18 Dec 20, 2012
See It Like It Is wrote:
<quoted text> Even when people try to unite, to agree on current problems and possible solutions, so more steps can be taken to bring forth changes that must happen, one thing we can count on is Nappy attempting to divide the people by crying like race is an issue that is more important than an issue that currently affects our children. Talk about mental imbalance. In any balanced mind, killing another human is mental imbalance, esp. when they are children. Any killer is a criminal, despite the color of their skin. Whites used to shoot whites down for disrespecting them, taking what was theirs, and many other reasons, that has been no secret. It's not only whites considering this, YOUR black president is too. Privileged? That's funny. What do whites get that blacks do not? What rights do whites have that blacks don't? This racial issue of yours is in your head. You are the only one that ever brings it up. The fact that he had mental illness, was not an excuse for his actions, but may answer some unanswered questions those families may have needed before their pain could begin to heal.
Again I'll say, when whites decide to have a shoot'em up, they are considered mentally imbalanced, but when blacks shoot someone they are just plain ole criminals. Where is the uniting for the children of the inner cities? Hmmm, where is all the coverage and concern over black children being killed? If the incident had happened in an inner city, I wonder if the same coverage and concern would've occurred. Who's making trips to Chicago, Detroit, Memphis, etc. to show concern for the black children being shot up and killed? Are they not children, too? Who's mailing packages to those cities in support of the children? Even the very folks in Newtown has asked that folks leave them be. Yesterday on the nightly news, Brian Williams said that the people of Newtown had requested they be left alone; therefore, their station would not have as great a presence there any longer.

Last night on BET, they showed many black children who had been killed in inner cities but with little to no coverage. They show black children and adults who were missing with little to no coverage. They talked about prayer and how along with the prayer, you're gonna have to put forth some effort; uh-ruh, that is to do something. Along with faith, one needs to do a bit of work. David had to use that rock and rag to kill that giant Goliath. He couldn't just look at the rock and say kill him rock and expect Goliath to fall dead. He had to do some work. People, until this society is changed, no matter how you attempt to control guns, the ones who want guns will still get guns. And if they can't, they'll simply come up with another method that will be even more horrific.

Folks, these are your people who are doing these crimes. They are not aliens from outer space nor four-legged wild animals. They are your very own kind and people. Back in the day, no one had to stand over us or guard us armed with guns for our protection from the likes of us. What happened to yawl? What have you parents done and not done? Oh, I know, nowadays, your offspring are mentally imbalanced, right? So, what caused that? What did you do or not do to cause two generations of such mentally imbalanced folks? Spoil them rotten to the core? And when they can't have their way, it's payback time, huh? Or is it all of those legal and illegal drugs that you people used and continue to use? Jez as'n is all.
BigMouth Wise Old NAPPY

Kiana, AK

#19 Dec 20, 2012
Guest wrote:
<quoted text>
Gods always been in schools. Kids can pray whenever they like and always have. We don't all worship the same God so we pray silently to our God and others do to theirs. That's such a rediculous claim to say God's no longer in schools!
Maybe what they mean is that they can no longer make a public showing and that prayer cannot be led on the intercom. Everybody wants a show. Everybody wants to be seen and heard. They have to have recognition. They act like prayer in silence won't escape their skull or that it won't penetrate the rooftop.

Also, morals cannot be legislated.
In these times

Little Rock, AR

#20 Dec 21, 2012
The more Citizens including educators that register with the Fed and have a permit with training to carry a weapon the safer our families & communities will be. With Out a Doubt! I will get mine.... So bring it on Killers of Innocent's ~ The American People Have Had Enough!

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