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Just some random American

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I stopped there last evening with my family. I have been going to this establishment off and on since mid 1970 s. It is my understanding that Hugo now has a level of gang like violence. I noticed the no weapons sign on the door. I will not take my family into that establishment again. I will not place my family in what I call a dangerous environment like a gun free zone for a meal in a town where gang violence has been known historically. I'm quite sure I'm not the only one who feels this way!
By the way....I calmly drove to Brahms ...and had dinner with my family and my legal concealed weapon and it was a pleasant experience......the fries were good too!
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Oklahoma City, OK

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Dec 23, 2013
 

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Look at this from a different view, it is for the protection of their employees, after you take a bite you could use force on them... They can do chicken good and greasy...
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If a " gang banger" don't kill ya
the food will
Just some random American

Smithville, OK

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Dec 24, 2013
 

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They can consider themselves boycotted until they remove the communist sign.
NRA Friend

Broken Bow, OK

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Just some random American wrote:
I stopped there last evening with my family. I have been going to this establishment off and on since mid 1970 s. It is my understanding that Hugo now has a level of gang like violence. I noticed the no weapons sign on the door. I will not take my family into that establishment again. I will not place my family in what I call a dangerous environment like a gun free zone for a meal in a town where gang violence has been known historically. I'm quite sure I'm not the only one who feels this way!
By the way....I calmly drove to Brahms ...and had dinner with my family and my legal concealed weapon and it was a pleasant experience......the fries were good too!
Your stupid post doesn't even warrant a reply, but I feel the need for someone to set you straight on personal rights! Calling KFC communist because YOU THINK your concealed weapons permit makes your rights to carry your gun anywhere you please is more important than KFC's rights to ban weapons from their establishment for the safety of all their customers!! Soooooo, who SHOULD give up their rights for the other? You did the right thing by going somewhere else to eat. If you will look, you'll see that a large number of stores, malls and other businesses have had signs on their doors banning weapons for quite some time. This doesn't mean that all of these stores, etc. are communist though!.
NRA Friend

Broken Bow, OK

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Dec 24, 2013
 
Just some random American wrote:
They can consider themselves boycotted until they remove the communist sign.
Above post meant for this thread!
old timer

Hugo, OK

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Dec 24, 2013
 

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Just some random American wrote:
They can consider themselves boycotted until they remove the communist sign.
We stand with you Random American. I pay very little attention to signs and know that the day comes that a bad reality comes to my table side this law abiding legal citizen will react as necessity demands. Do not understand or accept the mindset to control honest citizens. The country and Law need all the help that comes their way, and we see it in the news everyday when a bad situation turns from bad to good because of a armed citizen.
Pope Robert Anton Wilson

Valliant, OK

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Dec 24, 2013
 
"There is no governor anywhere; you are all absolutely free. There is no restraint that cannot be escaped. We are all absolutely free. If everybody could go into dhyana at will, nobody could be controlled — by fear of prison, by fear of whips or electroshock, by fear of death, even. All existing society is based on keeping those fears alive, to control the masses. Ten people who know would be more dangerous than a million armed anarchists."

- Hugh Crane a.k.a. Cagliostro the Great, in Schrödinger's Cat Trilogy: The Trick Top Hat (1979)
Big en

Dallas, TX

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Dec 24, 2013
 
You all is stupid
Silly Rabbit

Valliant, OK

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Dec 24, 2013
 
Big en wrote:
You all is stupid
Wow, nice grammar you have there.
NRA Friend

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old timer wrote:
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We stand with you Random American. I pay very little attention to signs and know that the day comes that a bad reality comes to my table side this law abiding legal citizen will react as necessity demands. Do not understand or accept the mindset to control honest citizens. The country and Law need all the help that comes their way, and we see it in the news everyday when a bad situation turns from bad to good because of a armed citizen.
No one is questioning whether Random is honest or not! The question is: Does he have the training he needs to use his gun in a restaurant with other customer present, and possibly with others who have concealed gun permits, with all of them shooting different directions at a robber, etc.. More harm could possibly be done in this scenario than letting the police do their job! Old timer, speak only for yourself by saying " I stand with you" and don't say "we stand with you" as if you were appointed to represent everyone! You seem to be out of step with the NRA. We do not need to return to "The Wild West" where all matters were settled by a shootout. I agree that law abiding citizens carrying guns have been known to assist law enforcement, but you must be reading re-runs of old news stories if you think its in the news everyday!
Silly Rabbit

Valliant, OK

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NRA Friend wrote:
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No one is questioning whether Random is honest or not! The question is: Does he have the training he needs to use his gun in a restaurant with other customer present, and possibly with others who have concealed gun permits, with all of them shooting different directions at a robber, etc.. More harm could possibly be done in this scenario than letting the police do their job! Old timer, speak only for yourself by saying " I stand with you" and don't say "we stand with you" as if you were appointed to represent everyone! You seem to be out of step with the NRA. We do not need to return to "The Wild West" where all matters were settled by a shootout. I agree that law abiding citizens carrying guns have been known to assist law enforcement, but you must be reading re-runs of old news stories if you think its in the news everyday!
There have been numerous studies and the majority of evidence shows that in a "real world" situation, all of the gun-toting heroes "miss" the perpetrator of the crime. Look it up. Go to any University in the United States and inquire about these issues. There is no real "training" for situations like that. Most of the money spent on training and educating trainers has to do with Defense and Military, not Civilian situations.

People who can't settle disputes without resorting to violence are developmentally arrested. In other words, that sort of behavior is usually more naturally observed in toddlers.
Old Timet

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Silly Rabbit wrote:
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There have been numerous studies and the majority of evidence shows that in a "real world" situation, all of the gun-toting heroes "miss" the perpetrator of the crime. Look it up. Go to any University in the United States and inquire about these issues. There is no real "training" for situations like that. Most of the money spent on training and educating trainers has to do with Defense and Military, not Civilian situations.
People who can't settle disputes without resorting to violence are developmentally arrested. In other words, that sort of behavior is usually more naturally observed in toddlers.
Never forget the Lubys Cafateria shooting in Lubbock Tx where not one was citizen was carrying. The only Law officer that was there was meeting their elderly parents for lunch and had removed their gun and left it outside in patrol car. A mistake to forever be remembered the one person there that could of helped but did not.
And there is a situation almost daily in this wide country that an armed citizen gets the upper hand on a felon because he or she happens to be armed and certain of tbeir action.
So your argument doesnt hold water for those of us that have trained for that exact situation
pappy

Lancaster, TX

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Dec 25, 2013
 

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Now how is the law officer know which gun carrier is the perp and who is not the perp--so he shoots bot to make sure he gets the right one

especially the guy left standing with the gun in his hand.
NRA Friend

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Old Timet wrote:
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Never forget the Lubys Cafateria shooting in Lubbock Tx where not one was citizen was carrying. The only Law officer that was there was meeting their elderly parents for lunch and had removed their gun and left it outside in patrol car. A mistake to forever be remembered the one person there that could of helped but did not.
And there is a situation almost daily in this wide country that an armed citizen gets the upper hand on a felon because he or she happens to be armed and certain of tbeir action.
So your argument doesnt hold water for those of us that have trained for that exact situation
Your last sentence makes your argument null and void since probably 999 out of 1,000 civilian concealed weapons carriers that have permits have not been trained "for that exact situation"!!! Also, your example with which you tried to use to prove your case happened in Killeen, TX, which is nowhere near Lubbock. "Old Timer", I pray that you don't have a concealed weapons permit, since it's quite apparent that you have "old timers disease" and it would be very dangerous to be anywhere near you if you had a loaded firearm. So, you can go back to bed and finish your nap now! Happy oldbama dreams!
Silly Rabbit

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Pappy has a very, very serious point to think about.

NRA Friend, I don't agree with what you had to say at the end of your post, but the rest of it is a fact. At least that is what I was taught at University. Things change and statistics are often modified as time and experience take their toll, but on this topic I'm pretty sure we have the facts straight. It makes me nervous that very little training is required in order to carry a concealed weapon around with you anywhere you like (almost).
Old Timet

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NRA Friend wrote:
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Your last sentence makes your argument null and void since probably 999 out of 1,000 civilian concealed weapons carriers that have permits have not been trained "for that exact situation"!!! Also, your example with which you tried to use to prove your case happened in Killeen, TX, which is nowhere near Lubbock. "Old Timer", I pray that you don't have a concealed weapons permit, since it's quite apparent that you have "old timers disease" and it would be very dangerous to be anywhere near you if you had a loaded firearm. So, you can go back to bed and finish your nap now! Happy oldbama dreams!
Well now , sounds like the ramblings of a self righteous lawman that believes no one should be armed except themselves and the crooks, no matter what kind of training a civilian has undergone. I wont be waiting for your help when that moment comes and dont need it.
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NRA Friend wrote:
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Your last sentence makes your argument null and void since probably 999 out of 1,000 civilian concealed weapons carriers that have permits have not been trained "for that exact situation"!!! Also, your example with which you tried to use to prove your case happened in Killeen, TX, which is nowhere near Lubbock. "Old Timer", I pray that you don't have a concealed weapons permit, since it's quite apparent that you have "old timers disease" and it would be very dangerous to be anywhere near you if you had a loaded firearm. So, you can go back to bed and finish your nap now! Happy oldbama dreams!
You just blew your credibility by stating a statistic that is completely made up in your head.
Texas Mother

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Just some personal thoughts on the topic of conceal and carry permits and gun ownership and the rights and responsibilities which come with owning a weapon of any kind. I was the victim of a home invasion robbery in 2009. We were completely unarmed and woke to someone standing a mere few inches away. I bluffed, thank God today this guy believed my angry threats to blow him away if he didn't run. Canton police Dispatched Van Zandt County. It took 27 minutes for help of any kind to arrive. A friend in LE told me a few hours, to call in a Fire if I were ever in that kind of situation again. The volunteer fire dept was a quarter mile from the house. Point being that we have the right to protect our lives from someone intending to do us harm. I hope a rookie cop, newly permitted gun owner, veteran law officer, military trained citizen is nearby to help. Common sense goes a long way toward self preservation. I keep all of my guns loaded and available now. I WILL SHOOT the next home invasion suspect and the police WON'T have to catch him. Thanks. Any thoughts?
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Texas Mother wrote:
Just some personal thoughts on the topic of conceal and carry permits and gun ownership and the rights and responsibilities which come with owning a weapon of any kind. I was the victim of a home invasion robbery in 2009. We were completely unarmed and woke to someone standing a mere few inches away. I bluffed, thank God today this guy believed my angry threats to blow him away if he didn't run. Canton police Dispatched Van Zandt County. It took 27 minutes for help of any kind to arrive. A friend in LE told me a few hours, to call in a Fire if I were ever in that kind of situation again. The volunteer fire dept was a quarter mile from the house. Point being that we have the right to protect our lives from someone intending to do us harm. I hope a rookie cop, newly permitted gun owner, veteran law officer, military trained citizen is nearby to help. Common sense goes a long way toward self preservation. I keep all of my guns loaded and available now. I WILL SHOOT the next home invasion suspect and the police WON'T have to catch him. Thanks. Any thoughts?
Most people can't perform under pressure. That's just the way it is. Humans are flawed. Research all of the literature and especially the large-scale unexpected scenarios that have been run. These experiments show how difficult it is to perform well when one is surprised or disorientated. There's also many studies and reports of people discharging and harming their own family members or even themselves out of fear of an intruder.

Common sense? Common sense is dangerous and ineffective in situations like these.

Another thing you might want to do is get an attorney for every single one of your cartridges you plan on loading into the clip. Do you know how many people have broken into houses and suffered a minor wound, later to successfully sue the home owner for their incurred medical bills? Lots. Also, if you do get a favorable shot (in your favor, not theirs of course), and the person dies, their family can often successfully sue you for wrongful death. It depends on which State you are residing in and other factors. But it happens all the time. Just think about it, someone breaking into someone else's home might be cold and hungry and wanting something to eat. Then the person shoots them and kills them? If you could do something like that and live with it, that is scary. I understand where you're coming from, it's southern culture. I just don't think it's an accurate view. It needs to be updated, in my opinion. There are thousands of options out there without harming another human being. Get creative.

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