Minnesota students' math, reading scores show little improvement

Minnesota high school students didn't do much better on the state's graduation exams this spring than they did a year ago. Full Story
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sceptic

Saint Paul, MN

#43 May 24, 2011
Well motivated and healthy kids with well adjusted and intelligent parents could do a lot better if given the financial resources and competent teachers demanded by the Republican elite in the N.Y. and Chicago suburbs and New England. The dumbed down Midwest, where 4 years of sex with multiple partners at the University of Minn constitutes "higher" education, is still better than any of the 50% black states in the south, but the whites in the Midwest have a long way to go. The recent Asian immigrants who arrive with no English knowledge and graduate at the top of their classes, prove this. It is impossible not to notice the differences in the check out lines in stores, where asian clerks get the job done, whites are so-so and blacks can't handle half the load.
The typical black kid in the Central City Slums has a very low I.Q. mother, a "hit and run" father just out of jail, an ever-changing mix of half brothers and sisters and cousins, junk food and unstable housing. The pregnant mother probably drank alcohol and smoked, or worse, and the kid was likely a premmie or otherwise brain damaged in addition to inheriting genes from the bottom of the pool. This is a lot to overcome and its not a matter of money. Early intervention to get the kids away from their mothers and into a caring and intellectually stimulating environment is their best hope for becoming a welcome part of society. By the time a kid is 5 it is too late to try and stuff a pound of learning skills or a sound learning experience into a brain that is permanently unreceptive. It's also not cost effective to do much but try and teach the girls how to avoid pregnancy and try to civilize the boys who otherwise will become criminals by the age of 14, whether caught or not. The black situation will not change until a lot of things other than schools change and the whites and asians will continue to be handicapped by the anti-education, pro-religious indoctrination well known in the Bible Belt. At least the Asians and whites have a fighting chance. Let someone else figure out why the Hispanics and Am. Indians fail so badly. Probably they have a lot in common with blacks, But until someone who matters figures out how to say it without getting emasculated, it will not get better.
Farouk

Saint Paul, MN

#44 May 24, 2011
Obama hates you.
Davis

Saint Paul, MN

#45 May 24, 2011
It is hard to believe these questions are for 11th graders. too simple.

It is not surprising that Americans are far behind other countries. I worry about our future

Since: Feb 08

Sandstone MN

#46 May 25, 2011
not a rocket scientist wrote:
I see the math work high school students bring home, and it's over my head. I graduated in the 70's and I don't know how many jobs require this kind of problem solving, but I don't see everyone needing to know more difficult math. What surprises me is that todays kids can't add, subtract, multiply and divide without a calculator. And learning to use a tape measure and balance a checkbook would be a must. It's kind of scary to see that in the effort to learn math most of us will never/rarely use, we forget the everyday things we all need to know.
In the modern world, a person is never that far from a calculator. We don't force college students to use slide rules any more either. I would rather the kids learn the WHYs of math rather than droning on and on with skills tables. You learn the rote skills through actual use on problems rather than memorizing "times tables"
I use more of my advances math every day that I use from the art and literature classes I was required to take in HS, never mind the time wasted in PhysEd.
Mad Viking

Minneapolis, MN

#47 May 25, 2011
Bill Clinton wrote:
More proof that Minnesota needs to throw more money at the schools.
I would love to see Mr. "Clinton" take all three tests and compare to our students. I believe I know how he, if he is a he, would fare.
Mad Viking

Minneapolis, MN

#48 May 25, 2011
GLOCK wrote:
Obviously no one has figured out yet that most of these ethnic "Breeds" are plain stupid. YOU CAN'T FIX STUPID!!!!
You are absolutely correct and there is little anyone can do to help people like you. At least you admit it.
Mad Viking

Minneapolis, MN

#49 May 25, 2011
Whatever wrote:
The liberal complaint that schools need more money has always been bogus.
Money won't make teachers care to teach better, it won't make parents care to stay on top of what their children are doing in school, and it won't make children want to study more.
This is underscored by recent studies that show how many students in dirt poor countries around the world are beating US kids in science and math. Many of those schools don't even have proper desks to sit at, but those kids and their parents CARE, because they see education as a way out.
THAT is what's wrong in our culture. If we keep making celebrities out of nobodies who do nothing, while throwing welfare dollars at non-celebrities who do nothing, where is the incentive to learn?
It's a CULTURAL problem, not a financial one.
No, what proper funding does is provide schools that are adequately staffed, supported, and equipped. Minnesota schools have laid off thousands of teachers in recent years with a record number of layoff this year. The number of paraprofessional and support staff, especially nurses and custodians, has been staggering. My child's Saint Paul school has had a nurse one day a week for the last two years and will have no teacher aides next year. My son has three special ed students in his class that are handfulls. They are welcome members of the classroom community, but are active and restless when not adequately supervised. With the loss of the aides whoever has these children next year will have to split attention between teaching and close supervision and redirection. This is very wrong but not the fault of the schools. The reality is that some students have special needs, and this does not only include special ed students, and a successful school system has the staff and resources to address the needs of each student. This is no longer the case in any Minnesota school district. The legislature has sold the educational system down the drain. There will be payback in a poorly equipped workforce, increased public assistance reciepients, more homeless families and individuals, and more adults dependent on other support systems such as subsidized health care.
Not Impressed

Plymouth, MN

#50 May 25, 2011
...passed the math test on their "FIRST TRY". How many chances did they get? Who coached them on each subsequent try? If a kid fails the test, the parents should take the course, because if your not a math wiz and your parents can't help you either, there isn't much hope for you. How are you going to apply for welfare? balance a check book? pay your taxes? get a good paying job?
jgingerguy

Plymouth, MN

#51 May 25, 2011
For those of you who would really like to know how our schools are doing vs the world's best, check out: Darling-Hammond: U.S. vs highest-achieving nations in education Valarie Strauss http://wapo.st/g6d00N

And: http://bit.ly/hv28KL

And: http://bit.ly/hB0vRH
Scipio Africanus

Merritt Island, FL

#52 May 25, 2011
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>Wow! Not even an attempt to hide the racism. Just throwin' it right out there.....
Truth hurts!!
Horeass Mann

Merritt Island, FL

#53 May 25, 2011
Blacks are the ONLY ones who can effect meaningful change in their own community. NOTHING will change until this is done.
sceptic wrote:
Well motivated and healthy kids with well adjusted and intelligent parents could do a lot better if given the financial resources and competent teachers demanded by the Republican elite in the N.Y. and Chicago suburbs and New England. The dumbed down Midwest, where 4 years of sex with multiple partners at the University of Minn constitutes "higher" education, is still better than any of the 50% black states in the south, but the whites in the Midwest have a long way to go. The recent Asian immigrants who arrive with no English knowledge and graduate at the top of their classes, prove this. It is impossible not to notice the differences in the check out lines in stores, where asian clerks get the job done, whites are so-so and blacks can't handle half the load.
The typical black kid in the Central City Slums has a very low I.Q. mother, a "hit and run" father just out of jail, an ever-changing mix of half brothers and sisters and cousins, junk food and unstable housing. The pregnant mother probably drank alcohol and smoked, or worse, and the kid was likely a premmie or otherwise brain damaged in addition to inheriting genes from the bottom of the pool. This is a lot to overcome and its not a matter of money. Early intervention to get the kids away from their mothers and into a caring and intellectually stimulating environment is their best hope for becoming a welcome part of society. By the time a kid is 5 it is too late to try and stuff a pound of learning skills or a sound learning experience into a brain that is permanently unreceptive. It's also not cost effective to do much but try and teach the girls how to avoid pregnancy and try to civilize the boys who otherwise will become criminals by the age of 14, whether caught or not. The black situation will not change until a lot of things other than schools change and the whites and asians will continue to be handicapped by the anti-education, pro-religious indoctrination well known in the Bible Belt. At least the Asians and whites have a fighting chance. Let someone else figure out why the Hispanics and Am. Indians fail so badly. Probably they have a lot in common with blacks, But until someone who matters figures out how to say it without getting emasculated, it will not get better.
Linnie

Minneapolis, MN

#54 May 26, 2011
Maybe the reason students can't pass these tests is because the answer key is wrong. None of the answers for questions #2 are correct, much less D. The answer would be 10x-31. 4+27 is in parenthesis so it is done before anything else. Also, even if they weren't in parenthesis you can't subtract 4 from 10 because you can only combine like terms. 4 and 10x do not share like terms.

I'm really unhappy with the Minnesota Department of Education. I think they are failing miserably at their jobs, and only making things worse. I'm a student at Bluesky Charter School which has been unfairly scrutinized in the media because of inappropriately released reports by MDE.
Tom Do Her

Monroe, LA

#55 May 26, 2011
NY passes students who get wrong answers on tests

When does 2 + 2 = 5?

When you're taking the state math test.

Despite promises that the exams -- which determine whether students advance to the next grade -- would not be dumbed down this year, students got "partial credit" for wrong answers after failing to correctly add, subtract, multiply and divide. Some got credit for no answer at all.

"They were giving credit for blatantly wrong things," said an outraged Brooklyn teacher who was among those hired to score the fourth-grade test.

State education officials had vowed to "strengthen" and "increase the rigor" of both the questions and the scoring when about 1.2 million kids in grades 3 to 8 -- including 450,000 in New York City -- took English exams in April and math exams last month.

But scoring guides obtained by The Post reveal that kids get half-credit or more for showing fragments of work related to the problem -- even if they screw up the calculations or leave the answer blank.

Examples in the fourth-grade scoring guide include:

* A kid who answers that a 2-foot-long skateboard is 48 inches long gets half-credit for adding 24 and 24 instead of the correct 12 plus 12.

* A miscalculation that 28 divided by 14 equals 4 instead of 2 is "partially correct" if the student uses the right method to verify the wrong answer.

* Setting up a division problem to find one-fifth of $400, but not solving the problem -- and leaving the answer blank -- gets half-credit.

* A kid who subtracts 57 cents from three quarters for the right change and comes up with 15 cents instead of 18 cents still gets half-credit.

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http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/how_do_you...

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"A kid who answers that a 2-foot-long skateboard is 48 inches long gets half-credit for adding 24 and 24 instead of the correct 12 plus 12."
Will a future flight controller be given partial credit if he clears a plane for operation at 5,000 feet when the correct answer is 10,000 feet and surrounding mountains are 8,000 feet?

....close enough for gubermint work.

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