Legal pot complicates drug-free work policies

Dec 8, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: KING-TV Seattle

APRIL 18: A jar of marijuana is seen on a vendor table at the Cannabis Crown 2010 expo April 18, 2010 in Aspen, Colorado.

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Dec 14, 2012
 
ThomasA wrote:
<quoted text>Those old tests give only positive/negative indication. Someone has to come up with a field test equal to the BAT for alcohol. Until that time,positive,you're gone.
You are still wrong,

I still work,

To Fing bad if you can't handle it,
Sheik Yerbouti

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Dec 15, 2012
 
Once a test is developed that can determine exactly when someone last smoked cannabis some employers will relax their rules. In states where it's legal it should be treated like alcohol. Most people I know that smoke do not go to work high and their use has no effect on their job performance. What workers do in their off time is their business. We are not slaves!
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Dec 15, 2012
 
KittenKoder wrote:
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Businesses can make such decisions, that is their right. Many here also turn down tobacco smokers, they have that right as well. So I fail to see the problem. Sounds more like you just want a way to avoid the decision altogether.
Decision? What decision? What are you talking about?
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Dec 15, 2012
 

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Once a test is developed that can determine exactly when someone last smoked cannabis some employers will relax their rules. In states where it's legal it should be treated like alcohol. Most people I know that smoke do not go to work high and their use has no effect on their job performance. What workers do in their off time is their business. We are not slaves!
Wise up! If your written drug policy at work plainly states that you can't have it in your system on company premises, then you're gone! Yes ,what you do on your time is your business BUT what you have in your system on their time,on their premises is THEIR business and you're still gone! You know it is against the rules and if you violate those rules, walk away like a man,not a whining sniveling baby.

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Dec 15, 2012
 
does the company want to examine the corn in my shit too? is that their business also? no it isn't, just like what anyone does off of company time. and if companies want to dismiss you over a positive test for cannabis, i would make sure to ride the welfare and handouts as long as I could. Why not? it's what people like you love to see.......
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Dec 15, 2012
 
guitarman16226 wrote:
does the company want to examine the corn in my shit too? is that their business also? no it isn't, just like what anyone does off of company time. and if companies want to dismiss you over a positive test for cannabis, i would make sure to ride the welfare and handouts as long as I could. Why not? it's what people like you love to see.......
Not at all. Companies don't have the time to be baby sitters for immature spoiled brats that can't follow simple rules. If you can't trust people to be a team player, they are not needed and should seek employment elsewhere.

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Dec 15, 2012
 
ThomasA wrote:
<quoted text>Not at all. Companies don't have the time to be baby sitters for immature spoiled brats that can't follow simple rules. If you can't trust people to be a team player, they are not needed and should seek employment elsewhere.
You are certainly not a team player. One day you will find a job that won't require that, until then, enjoy your unemployment while it lasts. Most pot heads work, ironically, even when it was illegal. They cleaned toilets, served up burgers, and all sort of jobs that idiots like you can't do. Now that it's legal, nothing will likely change, it will just be less costly for the taxpayers because cops won't have the excuse to chase down someone obeying the law just because they smell funny.
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Dec 15, 2012
 
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Stupid dooms day preachers, it's only complicated because the people making it complicated are idiots. Can you smoke there? Yes or no, that's all you need to do. Just like tobacco, just predefine your policy and it's fine. Idiotic USA, start doing something right then screw it up just because of some idiotic stigmas and stereotypes. No grounding in reality in this this country now.
The biggest problem is that while most other drugs are water soluable, THC or the chemicals that they test for is fat soluable. So while you may not be under the influence, you may still test postitive. The best way around that is to get them to sign a waiver so they can blood test for that chemical only.
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Dec 15, 2012
 
guitarman16226 wrote:
does the company want to examine the corn in my shit too? is that their business also? no it isn't, just like what anyone does off of company time. and if companies want to dismiss you over a positive test for cannabis, i would make sure to ride the welfare and handouts as long as I could. Why not? it's what people like you love to see.......
I understand the invasion of personal privacy, but it is a price we pay to be compensated well. I fall under federal guidlines for two reasons, the industry and the security clearance required. In certain industries, safety and security is paramount, and those under then influence can affect national security, even by making a simple mistake.
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I'm not pro legalization because I want to do drugs, I'm pro legalization because I don't like how it affects civil liberties of what would be otherwise productive law abiding citizens, the militarization of local and state police forces, and the way that tax revenue is being wasted.
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Dec 15, 2012
 
ThomasA wrote:
<quoted text>Business owners do have a responsibility to their employees under present OSHA and common sense rules to provide a safe workplace. Drug testing has been used for years to make sure employees follow simple written rules. If you noticed,that right of the companies to do so was not part of the last vote. Also the votes didn't have anything to prevent health care insurance companies from not paying for treatments concerning an illness if the patient chooses to use services or treatments that the insurance company considers "investigational" or "experimental" instead of practices accepted under standard medical practices endorsed by the AMA and FDA. Making a visit to Dr.Feelgood along with your normal doctor could get your coverage cancelled by insurance companies with heavy hitting lawyers and plenty of money to fight you. Changing this situation will require NATIONAL level legislation,not state votes.
Yeah, this is a really poorly written post. The number one drug abuse problem in the USA is the abuse of perscription drugs that are synthetic morphines, IE diluded, oxycontin, and oxycodone which are authorized by the AMA and FDA. Seriously, you trust the FDA? The same people that authorized the use of agent orange and DDT, or allow the US beef cattle supply to be fed chicken litter, or use rBGH/ rBST to be used on cattle that produce milk, or allow GMO foods to go unlabled; making the USA the only industrialized nation on earth to use such practices?
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Dec 15, 2012
 
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<quoted text>Yeah, this is a really poorly written post. The number one drug abuse problem in the USA is the abuse of perscription drugs that are synthetic morphines, IE diluded, oxycontin, and oxycodone which are authorized by the AMA and FDA. Seriously, you trust the FDA? The same people that authorized the use of agent orange and DDT, or allow the US beef cattle supply to be fed chicken litter, or use rBGH/ rBST to be used on cattle that produce milk, or allow GMO foods to go unlabled; making the USA the only industrialized nation on earth to use such practices?
And you welcome imported food products like vegetables from Mexico,imported fish from Asia grown in sewage lagoons and unregulated growth hormone beef from Argentina. Since everything is bad, what do you live on,Tofu? Misuse of prescription drugs is a problem and will be dealt with when they turn up in your random test and you don't have a current prescription. That's why companies use a certified testing lab to get a full reading instead of trying to use the cheap ATC kits.
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Dec 15, 2012
 
KittenKoder wrote:
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You are certainly not a team player. One day you will find a job that won't require that, until then, enjoy your unemployment while it lasts. Most pot heads work, ironically, even when it was illegal. They cleaned toilets, served up burgers, and all sort of jobs that idiots like you can't do. Now that it's legal, nothing will likely change, it will just be less costly for the taxpayers because cops won't have the excuse to chase down someone obeying the law just because they smell funny.
Where did you conjure up the idea I was unemployed? Is reading comprehension a little too much to handle? Your pothead crowd can continue to pursue careers in the fields you mentioned because they usually don't test for drugs so what's the problem? Nothings changed,they or you can smoke and not get busted.
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ThomasA wrote:
<quoted text>And you welcome imported food products like vegetables from Mexico,imported fish from Asia grown in sewage lagoons and unregulated growth hormone beef from Argentina. Since everything is bad, what do you live on,Tofu? Misuse of prescription drugs is a problem and will be dealt with when they turn up in your random test and you don't have a current prescription. That's why companies use a certified testing lab to get a full reading instead of trying to use the cheap ATC kits.
Locally raised certified organic and frozen pizza.
Clearly you missed the point.
These government agencies are only so trustworthy. So it's not that everything is bad. They won't turn up in my drug test, but it doesn't matter, the point is that it is the fastest growing source of addiction, again proving that your infallible government is really, failing you.
A company drug testing you for taking something that is perfectly legal is superfluous. They can only take action of they can prove that you are under the influence of that legal drug, and they have to notify and train you of what they are going to test you for. The company itself cannot ask if you have a prescription for a drug, which is why companies that do drug test go through facilities with independent doctors.
What is complicated the issue is that marijuana is a schedule 1 controlled substance under federal law, and it is illegal. In states that it's legal, it's complicated.
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ThomasA wrote:
<quoted text>Where did you conjure up the idea I was unemployed? Is reading comprehension a little too much to handle? Your pothead crowd can continue to pursue careers in the fields you mentioned because they usually don't test for drugs so what's the problem? Nothings changed,they or you can smoke and not get busted.
You mean like Doctors, Lawyers, and Salesmen. Of my entire inner circle I make the least, of all in my inner circle, I'm one of two who are the only ones that doesn't smoke marijuana on occasion.
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Dec 15, 2012
 
Dude wrote:
<quoted text>Locally raised certified organic and frozen pizza.
Clearly you missed the point.
These government agencies are only so trustworthy. So it's not that everything is bad. They won't turn up in my drug test, but it doesn't matter, the point is that it is the fastest growing source of addiction, again proving that your infallible government is really, failing you.
A company drug testing you for taking something that is perfectly legal is superfluous. They can only take action of they can prove that you are under the influence of that legal drug, and they have to notify and train you of what they are going to test you for. The company itself cannot ask if you have a prescription for a drug, which is why companies that do drug test go through facilities with independent doctors.
What is complicated the issue is that marijuana is a schedule 1 controlled substance under federal law, and it is illegal. In states that it's legal, it's complicated.
You're totally right on the legal complications issue. Changing laws will have to be on a Federal level,not just state just as the Roe v Wade decision took away the hodgepodge of county,city,and state rules and regulations and made all states be equal in enforcing that controversal issue. Since MJ is still classed as a Class I narcotic, the Feds could treat you like moonshiners when in possession above legal limits even if those hundred plants were" for personal comsumption". It will take long drawn out cases in the Supreme Court to clear the air.
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ThomasA wrote:
<quoted text>You're totally right on the legal complications issue. Changing laws will have to be on a Federal level,not just state just as the Roe v Wade decision took away the hodgepodge of county,city,and state rules and regulations and made all states be equal in enforcing that controversal issue. Since MJ is still classed as a Class I narcotic, the Feds could treat you like moonshiners when in possession above legal limits even if those hundred plants were" for personal comsumption". It will take long drawn out cases in the Supreme Court to clear the air.
Exactly, who would ever think that Tea Partists and Pot Smokers could unite over state's rights?
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Dec 15, 2012
 
Dude wrote:
<quoted text>Exactly, who would ever think that Tea Partists and Pot Smokers could unite over state's rights?
The other sticky issue is what to do when insurance companies quit writing workman's comp polices or make them so high companies can't afford them? If a company has to drop it's rules and allow drugs in the workplace,then the government will have to get in that business if it is still going to require a company to carry it on employees under the influence. After the last hurricanes that devastated the GULF COAST area, many of the large insurance companies pulled out of the area and residents had to scranble to get coverage but found only outrageously high pricing. The states had no power to regulate the pricing and the people either now don't carry insurance or coverage eats up the budget. The same could happen with workman's comp. Smaller companies will have to have the option to drop or carry.
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ThomasA wrote:
<quoted text>The other sticky issue is what to do when insurance companies quit writing workman's comp polices or make them so high companies can't afford them? If a company has to drop it's rules and allow drugs in the workplace,then the government will have to get in that business if it is still going to require a company to carry it on employees under the influence. After the last hurricanes that devastated the GULF COAST area, many of the large insurance companies pulled out of the area and residents had to scranble to get coverage but found only outrageously high pricing. The states had no power to regulate the pricing and the people either now don't carry insurance or coverage eats up the budget. The same could happen with workman's comp. Smaller companies will have to have the option to drop or carry.
It's not that drugs will be allowed in the work place. Alcohol is a dehabilitating drug, and one can do it in their own free time, but when you come to work you ought to be what's called "fit for duty."
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I can't think of many jobs that allow you to drink on the job, perhaps certain sales positions, but one ought not get hammered..
Federal law prohibits employees from certain industries from performing their duties while under the influence of legal perscription and OTC drugs like cough syrups, such as rail and transportation employees.

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ThomasA wrote:
<quoted text>The other sticky issue is what to do when insurance companies quit writing workman's comp polices or make them so high companies can't afford them? If a company has to drop it's rules and allow drugs in the workplace,then the government will have to get in that business if it is still going to require a company to carry it on employees under the influence. After the last hurricanes that devastated the GULF COAST area, many of the large insurance companies pulled out of the area and residents had to scranble to get coverage but found only outrageously high pricing. The states had no power to regulate the pricing and the people either now don't carry insurance or coverage eats up the budget. The same could happen with workman's comp. Smaller companies will have to have the option to drop or carry.
Your continued SHEEPOLE talk is all over this forum in all types and forms.

The fact that you continue with this talk, that has already been debunked all over this forum, just makes you look very SHEEPOLE ignorant.

Hence not reading before opening mouth, or posting,

You are still wrong, lots of MJ smokers working and leading very productive lives.

Get the F off of them,
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Dec 16, 2012
 
Dude wrote:
<quoted text>It's not that drugs will be allowed in the work place. Alcohol is a dehabilitating drug, and one can do it in their own free time, but when you come to work you ought to be what's called "fit for duty."
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I can't think of many jobs that allow you to drink on the job, perhaps certain sales positions, but one ought not get hammered..
Federal law prohibits employees from certain industries from performing their duties while under the influence of legal perscription and OTC drugs like cough syrups, such as rail and transportation employees.
If your supervisor suspects you have been drinking on company time,alcohol can be tested for content by a BAT at the same lab that does the drug testing. At the present,no content test for THC, only positive/negative. If the paper you signed in your application says you can't be there with ANY in your system,then you have no choice but to hit the street. It's like speeding. You know what the posted speed limits are but your car is capable of more and you can handle the higher speed, so you speed. Along comes POPO and says different. You give him the above argument to no avail. There was a posted law,you chose to ignore, you pay the ticket and get the points. No different than getting caught in a randon test.

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