Court Referral Program

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Concerned Citizen

Maryville, TN

#1 Nov 2, 2008
I have a relative who may soon be sentenced to Jackson County's "Court Referral Program" for Public Intoxication. This was a one-time incident and I believe this is unnecessary, but can anyone tell me what to expect?
Concerned Citizen

Maryville, TN

#2 Nov 9, 2008
I don't understand why there have been no replies to my post. I fear that people are afraid to do so... I hope this is not the case. If corruption runs rampant to the point that people are afraid to post to an anonymous forum, then we've got bigger problems than I thought!
Robert B

Panama City, FL

#3 Nov 10, 2008
I am not afraid to reply. I have a criminal record and have been in the "court referral program" i could go on forever about how corrupt this system is. True it does help, But to give you fair warning it will be a long, drawn out process. it will cost alot of time and money. You have report dates, random drug tests, which cost YOU everytime you take one. If u have any more questions please post them,i will reply when i can..
referring_to_ref erral

Pisgah, AL

#4 Nov 16, 2008
What to expect. Your relative will be given a "color". Each day(Monday-Sunday) he/she will call court referral to see if their color is called for the next day. If his/her color is called, they will report to court referral between 8 a.m and 4:30 pm (if I recall correctly) to be drug tested. They will pay a fee of $20 for each drug test.
They will also be required to attend AA meetings, usually at least two a week--possibly more.
If your relative is on probation, they will also report to court referral for monitoring that same day (which is an extra $30 per month along with their probation fee of $30).
How long they remain with court referral depends on....well...court referral. They pretty well call the shots as they so choose and your relative is now at their mercy. Just feel lucky you were not sent to rehab as well.
I sometimes wonder if the court referral is a money grubbing service. If a person is on probation and goes monthly to see their probation officer, I'm not sure why they have to be "monitored" by court referral as well unless it is to get the extra cash. It seems to me to be double charging for the same service.
Your relative is expected to hold down a job, yet they will be required to show up for "random" drug testing. Most employers aren't happy with their employees missing work for random drug tests, but that is insignificant to court referral. They will tell you to find another job.
Your relative is expected to work and pay their way(probation fees, court referral fees, fines, court costs, drug tests, rent, food, child support, etc). A large portion of their money will go to Jackson County.
I hope that explains it and I do wish your relative lots of luck.
Robert B

Panama City, FL

#5 Nov 16, 2008
Aint that the truth.That program cost me two very good jobs and a whole lot of money.After paying all my fees and restitution i barely had enough money for food and gas in my car. I also had a family to support But they really dont care. its all about getting there money.
Citizen

Maryville, TN

#6 Nov 16, 2008
Thanks for the advice. Its the kind of info I was looking for. I'm terrified for this relative because I'm afraid its a money racket, too. It may === and i stress MAY === help someone quit for a few months, but the only people I've ever seen actually rehabilitated were those who chose it themselves. A few questions:

How does the office work?

Does the program cost the county any money?

Who reaps profits of this program (Besides the people who own Fam. Serv.)?

Does it seem fair that the people who own the company and legally obtain hundreds of dollars from each client every month are also the ones who decide how long you will remain in program?

I've always heard, "Where there's smoke, there's fire." By the way, how do they expect you to hold a job? It makes a really bad impression at an interview to inform them that you might have to leave once, twice, even three times a week to take a drug test. To many people are slaves of this office. Does "unsupervised probation" even exist in this town any more? This program is out of control.
Robert B

Panama City, FL

#7 Nov 16, 2008
The office works mon-fri. you go there to report and take your drug test also. When i was on it you had to report on the first 3 working days of the month. If u miss a report date a warrant will be issued. If you are on color code it can be any day out the week.Depending on the color they give u it could be 2 or 3 days out the week which will cost every time you go. I dont think that the program cost the county money. I would assume that the money pays their salary,And i might add that they get paid by the state also, it is nothing but one big money racket. Also if u are in jail and on work release, which is also a part of court referal takes your money and opens an account in your name and takes the money. 10% goes to the jail 10% goes to your fines and another 10% goes to them. They also keep the intrest that is being drawn on your money.This program is out of control .They say that all the crooks are in jail, i guess they missed a few.They still have unsupervised probation,but they cant make any money off of it so they think why use it.
Chopper

Winfield, AL

#8 Jan 11, 2009
Straightened my life out, not complaining about it like Bradford.
Chopper

Winfield, AL

#9 Jan 11, 2009
The purpose is for you to not have money left over for drugs. And not have time left over for bad things. I went through it several times. Yes it's hard to have anything left over. But that's the purpose, don't screw up and you wont have to whine about it.
killemall

West Chester, OH

#10 Jan 14, 2009
Chopper wrote:
Straightened my life out, not complaining about it like Bradford.
I dont know who u think u are talking about a person you dont even know. He is doing very well now and also has a very good job in another state. he has moved away so he can have a better life. What have you done with yours.Not trying to be rude just hate it when people assume stuff that they know nothing about. Leave the judging to god.

“One opinion, one voice.”

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#11 Jan 15, 2009
killemall wrote:
<quoted text> I dont know who u think u are talking about a person you dont even know. He is doing very well now and also has a very good job in another state. he has moved away so he can have a better life. What have you done with yours.Not trying to be rude just hate it when people assume stuff that they know nothing about. Leave the judging to god.
Being me, I'm just wondering if perhaps this post was in the wrong place? It makes no sense in relation to this subject.
ROB

West Chester, OH

#12 Jan 15, 2009
one opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
Being me, I'm just wondering if perhaps this post was in the wrong place? It makes no sense in relation to this subject.
does it matter it dosent pertain to you. It is reguarding chooper and the comment he wrote about a friend of mine.

“One opinion, one voice.”

Since: Nov 08

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#13 Jan 16, 2009
ROB wrote:
<quoted text> does it matter it dosent pertain to you. It is reguarding chooper and the comment he wrote about a friend of mine.
Oh, excuse me. I didn't realize this was a private conversation!! hahaha I'll just close my eyes and not peek.
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killemall

West Chester, OH

#15 Jan 17, 2009
one opinion wrote:
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Oh, excuse me. I didn't realize this was a private conversation!! hahaha I'll just close my eyes and not peek.
Good you do that...
peytonboy

Coudersport, PA

#16 Feb 11, 2010
I have been in the program for 8 years..lol...It is a money raket..I come from Ft. Payne..It is a small town...all the police know of me to drink alot..I have been arrested in my own home for public intoxication..cops are in with the courts..they gettin there pockets padded too. you get a year of court referral for just drinkin at home. true story!
Opinion8er

United States

#17 Feb 11, 2010
Chopper wrote:
Straightened my life out, not complaining about it like Bradford.
Good for you, I have to commend you. People make mistakes, but you learned from it and moved on. Without whining about it, I might add. Not like Bradford.
thekiller

Morristown, TN

#18 Feb 12, 2010
IT'S a fraud and a rip off.A bunch of pecker checkers watching you pee in a cup for 25 dollars
all they do is put their nose in your business .
Educated Citizen

Alabaster, AL

#19 Feb 26, 2010
court referral is a non-profit organization. all the money that is taken in each month is turned over to the state and the state cuts a check to the office for 80% of what they make. with that 80% they have to pay salaries, overhead for the office, all supplies, and if they use an actual lab to run the drug screens then they have to pay for the multimillion dollar machine it takes to run them. Coming in the door, your attorney should have explained what willo be required of you. If you didn't have an attorney, then let this be a lessoned learned... never go to court unrepresented. ALL drug and alcohol cases whether it is directly or indirectly related will come to CRO. The CRO did not arrest nor convict you. It is NOT their fault you are there. They are simply there to do their job and feed THEIR families. Please remember this. The only thing that seperates you from them is the one bad decision you have made... or multiple bad decisions for our repeat offenders. Now as far as money... you will have to pay the $75 evaluation fee. The evaluation will determine what level you will be put in. This includes looking at your priors, BAC if it was a DUI, the way you answer the oral questions, the way you answer the written questions, any prior history of treatment, and current and prior drug/alcohol use/abuse. After that you can receive Level 1-3. Level 1 requires 12 hrs of drug/alcohol classes ($295), 3 months monitoring ($30/month), and drug testing 1-2 times each month ($20/test). Level 2 24 hrs classes, 4 AA/NA meetings, 6 months monitoring, and drug testing 1-2 times each month. Level 3 means you must have a treatment assessment completed by a master's level clinician. This will determine if you qualify for Intensive Outpatient Treatment (IOP). If you qualify then you must complete IOP as directed by treatment, complete the recommeded AA/NA meetings (treatment will decide how many you need to attend), drug testing 1-2 times each month (could be more if treatment requires you to test with them, usually no more than once a week), and 9-24 months of monitoring (minimum 9, but if you fail to complete the program as required, you will have to keep reporting until all goals have been met). Therefore, L3 monitoring depends on the defendant. Some defendants are finished in 9 months and some need the full 24 months. Contrary to popular belief... CRO is not a money making process. CROs do not receive commission. As far as color code testing, it is the most effective method of testing because it is computer generated and completely random. In other words, not even the CRO knows when your colo will be called. You have from 7am-7pm to test. You must call 7 days a week 365 days a year and if your color is called you must test that day between 7 am and 7 pm. Some places are next day testing. So if your color is called today you must test tomorrow. You are observed because believe it or not people will try to cheat and sneak urine into the labs. Imagine that alcoholics and addicts lying, cheating, and using... unbelievable right? Still feel like CRO is infair? If you do judt remember that the defendant has a choice in court while standing before the Judge and DA. The defendant can take the original sentence which is jail or can take the suspended sentence with is CRO. The choice is theirs.
Educated Citizen

Alabaster, AL

#20 Mar 1, 2010
sorry found a couple of typos after I posted that. But I did actually find out L1 classes are $145 and L2 are $295. L3 classes range from $400-$2000. L3 depends on where you go and how long you have to be there. L3 classes are done by state certified treatment programs that operate completely seperate from CRO... so sorry guys your CRO doesn't get any kickbacks for sending you to a certain place.

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