Man dies after bar fight

Man dies after bar fight

There are 43 comments on the WisInfo story from Jan 22, 2008, titled Man dies after bar fight. In it, WisInfo reports that:

LAC DU FLAMBEAU - A 37-year-old man died early this morning after getting in a fight at Club 47 in Lac du Flambeau. via WisInfo

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ENIGMA

United States

#1 Feb 10, 2008
Why does everyone still refer to this as a bar fight? This was nothing but an ambush. Cross and Graveen knew what they were going to do...they wanted to beat John Kintop down and take his money.

I think Cross and Graveen's per cap should be used to pay for the funeral and to proved support for his three children that are left without support.

If anyone has any thoughts of harming any other family members in any way this is going to bring about even more trouble.

People need to stop with the death threats and realize that Cross and Graveen made a very bad choice that night and that they MUST pay the consequences for their actions. They MUST be made an example of.

I also believe that all bars in LdF must be closed indefinately or make the Tribal Council esponsible for any other wrong doings that are alcohol/drug related.
madkitnw

Bay Shore, NY

#2 Feb 10, 2008
yes i believe they should be accountable for there actions. How would their moms feel if this were they sons? This is a hate crime and has to stop. This poor young man left kids behind. What will and happen to these poor childern now? No dad to support them. I believe the 2 men should pay for the support since their dad is no longer here.
his son

Union Grove, WI

#3 Feb 21, 2008
This man is no kind of person that you should be defending. About two years ago John Kintop left behind 2 sons and was unemployed for even longer. He was a well known drug dealer at the time of his death. Oh, and madkitnw, he never, I repeat never supported us. What those two men did to my "father" was well deserved.
ENIGMA

Rhinelander, WI

#4 Feb 22, 2008
Stacey,

No matter what he did and how you think he was less a father just because he did not acknowledge your son doesn't make it OK for him to be killed. I can't believe that someone could harbor such hate in their heart to think that he deserved this.

I think you need counseling. It is still possible to get a paternity test...you can see if "B's" grandfather is willing to give blood for a DNA check to be done, but it's not cheap, and I think it would all be for nothing because I don't think John Scott Kintop is his father.
his son wrote:
This man is no kind of person that you should be defending. About two years ago John Kintop left behind 2 sons and was unemployed for even longer. He was a well known drug dealer at the time of his death. Oh, and madkitnw, he never, I repeat never supported us. What those two men did to my "father" was well deserved.
mollie kintop

Loves Park, IL

#5 Feb 22, 2008
In response to the comment made from his son it is so incorrect.Stacy i beleive you wrote the comment.John left because of your mental abuse and the way you treated him.He should of left sooner but stayed because of the love he had for his sons.You should search your soul and only speak the truth.You and John made those boys and he was a good provider.I have court and child support records to verify this.The only comment you made when you were notified of Johns tragic death was send me a death certificate.You have a extreme amount of hate to write such a comment.You should be putting the boys in counseling instead of posioning them with the lies.You have deined the boys a relationship with their grandfather and other family members .You made it clear that John could no longer have contact with his family,but after he was free of your sick control he did have a wonderful time with his family,just wished his 3 sons could of been part of it.Yes i said 3 sons the boys have a half brother,Brett let them know that also.I beleive that we will petion the courts for grandparents rights.Keep your hate and evil comments to yourself and let Johs sons and family heal.SEEK COUNSELING!!!
ENIGMA

Rhinelander, WI

#6 Feb 22, 2008
Stacey,

Sorry... I was thinking of Stacey #1, not #2 who was actually married to John. The one I meant to post about was the ex-girlfriend of John, not the ex-wife who cheated on John with her co-worker.
KOOL1960

Loves Park, IL

#7 Feb 22, 2008
Im appauled that such a item could be written by the mother of the 2 boys.A child didnt write the comment(HIS SON).The wording is of a scorned mean hateful ex-wife.Society wonders why our youth go wrong, could it be because of being raised by such distrubed parents.I've seen animals on the roadside receive more compassion than what this angry mother wrote about her sons father.The entire family need perfesional counseling.
aunty

Eagle River, WI

#8 Feb 22, 2008
stacy you have done nothing but poison your son's minds with hatred towards their father. if he was such a bad person why did you marry him? it was you and your mother that drove john out of your son's lifes!!! maybe john did make some mistakes in his lifetime(marrying you is #1)but to say what you said is so sad!!! you are one sick person!!! when the boys are no longer under your control they will know the TRUTH--THEIR FATHER DID LOVE THEM AND SUPPORT THEM!!!! GOD HELP YOU
susie

Eagle River, WI

#9 Feb 22, 2008
i don't believe those hateful words came from either justin or shane unless you (stacy) coached them. stacy did you ever explain to the boys how child support works? have they ever received their birthday or christmas money from grandma vivian or did you spend it on yourself? did they receive their christmas gift from their dad or did you hide that from them also? who bought the home that you live in the car that you drive-the nice camper? how did these come about if john did not support you? don't say john never supported you-did'nt he sometimes work two jobs? when did you start working stacey? who put food on the table and clothes on your backs and paid the bills? one day you will have to answer for all the mental and verbal abuse you gave john!! justin and shane no matter what your mother has said about YOUR FATHER, HE TRULY LOVED YOU!!! i could see it in his eyes and hear it in his voice!! PLEASE DON"T HATE HIM!!!
concerned relative

Eagle River, WI

#10 Feb 24, 2008
To Stacey and the boys, what kind of a comment is that to make about your dad. I know your dad loved you very much, and Stacey did you ever stop and think that you were the cause of him drinking and doing drugs? All you did was nag at him all the time. John John did work. You should be ashamed of yourselves for writing something like that dont you feel the least bit sorry that your dad is gone and you will never get to see him again? Who is going to fill his spot? John John made some bad choices in his life but never once did he stop loving you boys. What kind of mother doesnt bring there children to there fathers funeral? Shame on you stacey.
Lac Du Flambeau

Oshkosh, WI

#11 Feb 25, 2008
Man that guy who was killed in that bar fight did deserve it because i heard he was at the casino earlier that night he was at the casino hotel and he got kicked out so he said he was going to raise some heck with the indians at the bar. So yes i think he did.
Minocqua

Oshkosh, WI

#12 Feb 25, 2008
Hey ENIGMA
I think that guy who got killed in the BAR FIGHT!! was not an ambush he started it because he got kicked out of the Casino hotel and said he was going to raise hell with some Indians so that is the story.
concerned relative

Eagle River, WI

#13 Feb 25, 2008
i'm sorry,but none of this information was brought out in the news!! were you there when he was kicked out of that business or is it just hear-say?? regardless, no human being deserves to die the way he did!!! maybe if it was one of your family members you would think differently!! your statements and thoughts show your intelligence--ignorant!!!!
ENIGMA

Rhinelander, WI

#14 Feb 26, 2008
First off I want everyone to know that I am not ashamed of who I am and I am not afraid to let everyone know who I am. I won't hide behind my psuedomyn (nickname). Who of you out there that say John deserved this can say who you really are?
I bet "Minocqua" and "Lac du Flambeau" won't because you're weak and pitiful.

My name Is Kirk A. Kintop Sr. I am one of John Kintop's Cousins. We practically grew up together until I graduated from High School and went into the military.

So there..that is out and in the open.

Secondly.."Minocqua" and "Lac du Flambeau"... You are both very misinformed. John did not get kicked out of the casino that night...he was "assisted" out of Club 47 after being there drinking, playing pool and attempting to arm wrestle for about an hour and a half. He didn't confront anyone as you say. After he was "assisted" out of Club 47 he went to his car to leave, but was then confronted by Clinton and BJ who both say they were afraid of him, and began to beat him to death. They could have walked the other way (towards home/town), but chose not to because they had only one intention...to beat John Kintop down. Clinton has already admitted he threw the first FOUR punches to Johns face. Witenesses went on to say in sworn statements that BJ began kicking and stomping on Johns head and upper body.

Did you know that the police reports are out for the public to see? One of them was posted on one of the TV news channel websites. If you like I can post it for you here so you know I speak the truth. There is also information from witnesses who were at the scene who detailed how John was beaten down by these two thugs and "rolled" for his money. This will also come out in court when the REAL witnesses are called.

Before you go and post your lies go get your story straight. One thing I can say is that a few people from LdF give that town and the residents a bad name, but the true good people of which there are many came out on their own and told the police the real story.

Quit giving Lac du Flambeau a bad name by spreading lies.
Kirk Kintop

Rhinelander, WI

#15 Feb 26, 2008
I had to quote you because I thought it right to show the mentality of some people that give LdF a bad name. Was it because (as you say) he deserved to die because he wanted to raise some heck with the indians? or Is really because he was white that he deserved to die?

BTW, it was me how responded as LdF Supporter in another post you left complaining about why fliers are going our telling people not to go to Lac du Flambeau because it is a bad place.... No wonder no one (who is white) wants to go there because they might be the next victim of a hate crime... at least this is the mentality you are portraying by your ludicris posts. Do yourself and LdF a favor and quit posting...YOU ARE AN IDIOT!
Lac Du Flambeau wrote:
Man that guy who was killed in that bar fight did deserve it because i heard he was at the casino earlier that night he was at the casino hotel and he got kicked out so he said he was going to raise some heck with the indians at the bar. So yes i think he did.
Minocqua

Oshkosh, WI

#16 Feb 27, 2008
Yea yea what ever you guys
another relative

Marshfield, WI

#17 Feb 28, 2008
Minocqua wrote:
Yea yea what ever you guys
First of all, let me start by helping you spell correctly. YEAH YEAH! They teach that real early in school. For once in my life, I am at a total loss for words! How can one individual be so ignorant even thinking of making a comment like "he deserved to die because he was gonna start stuff with the indians"
Next time one of your family members has too much to drink and supposedly is asked to leave an establishment, Do him or her a favor and beat them to death immediatly! Now does that sound like it makes a bit of sense coming from another human being that actually has a mind?
Its really sad that people like you are even allowed to be called human!! One day all we can hope for you is the pain that we are all feeling right now! I have to second my Aunt by saying IGNORANT! That pretty much sums it up!!!
Minocqua

Oshkosh, WI

#18 Mar 3, 2008
wow such big words!! and so what how i spell you got a problem deal with it
lac du flambeau

Britton, MI

#19 Mar 4, 2008
Minocqua wrote:
wow such big words!! and so what how i spell you got a problem deal with it
this must be carol cross the big pill head who just lost her husband for 7 years for selling drugs, you to should have been sent down the river right along with him. carol let me ask you this if this was your relative that was killed like this would you keep your mouth shut, i believe not because you are a big mouth to start, i guess before you finally come to your senses that this might have to happen to your family, and i hope that it doesnt because nobody should have to die like john kitop had to. i believe that your step son and clinton will get everything they deserve. and may john kintop rest in peace.
Wisconsin

Oshkosh, WI

#20 Mar 24, 2008
yes maybe we should jus let it rest its been a while and by the way this isn't carol cross who is carol have no clue maybe you shouldn't be putting other peoples info on the internet. if she did want it on there don't you think she will have her own website site about her addiction but no maybe she doesn't want any of her info on the internet.

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