Is Church on the Rock in Woodland per...

Is Church on the Rock in Woodland perpetuating hate?

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Concerned Citizen

Colfax, CA

#1 Oct 31, 2011
Lets discuss a recent experience I had with a well known church here in Woodland. On the 30th of October, 2011, my friends and I decided to check out “Hell House,” a production of Church on the Rock. Initially we were not aware that the haunted house was put on by the church, the only information we had was that the haunted house was happening between 6 and 10 PM on cottonwood Street. When we realized that the haunted house was actually at the church, we were confused about what we should expect since it seemed odd that a church would run a haunted house. We decided to go with it in the spirit of Halloween.

While standing in line, my oldest and best friend, who is a man, and I started reminiscing on our youth. He reminded me about an experience he had at the Thursday night youth service. While in high school, my friend attempted to “challenge” the status quo a few times by wearing skirts and make up to school. Today I attribute his odd choice of clothing to his juvenile need to find himself and define his individuality. Most people look back at their high school years with questions such as “why would I ever wear that shirt, or why was my hair so big?” It’s needless to say that his choice to wear a skirt to school is his Achilles heel.

While still in high school, we frequented Church on the Rocks youth night before it made the move from second street to cottonwood. Usually, my friend would come to my house and we would hang out until the bus picked us up on my street. It just so happened that he wore a skirt on a Thursday to school and he still had it on while we boarded the bus and made our way to the church. Being teenagers, we didn’t foresee any problems that the church could have with his clothing style. It’s sad to say that we were very wrong. Before he was even able to walk into the door, the head pastor, Jim Killion, targeted him out. Jim not only told my friend that he wasn’t allowed to stay for the youth night, he banned him from returning. Jim’s reasoning was that my friend was gay. That accusation is as amusing today as it was in 2005. If Jim Killion had really cared about the youth, he would have known that although my friend didn’t exactly fit in with societies idea of what a 17 year old adolescent should look like, he was and is as heterosexual as a man can get. While waiting in line to venture through “Hell House,” we decided that the past was the past. That experience was just a huge misunderstanding, right?

The line continued to get shorter, and before we knew it, it was our turn to see what “Hell House” was about. It was set up like any normal haunted house. We moved from room to room, in each room some very brave and amazing actors portrayed different scenarios that adolescents can find themselves in. The third room is the reason why I am writing this now. The room was made to look like a war bunker. A few actors came walking in, but I really only noticed one. He was wearing a vest with a fake bomb pinned to it. The only thought that ran through my mind was “please don’t say your Muslim, please don’t Muslim again and again.” Then he said it. The words that I was dreading came through as he shouted “I am a Muslim Terrorist.” I instantly felt shaky and sick to my stomach, I couldn’t stay and listen to hate speech. As I was escorted out, I saw the pastor, Jim Killion, standing by the door. Throughout the night I saw him talking to people and walking around, I decided it was an okay time to discuss what I just heard with him. As we walked through the door, I said “you know, just because a person is Muslim, doesn’t mean that he or she is a terrorist.” Killion instantly started raising his voice. He went on a testosterone rage, as he got in my face he said “yes it does.” I replied with “why couldn’t the guy just say he’s a terrorist, why does he have to be a Muslim terrorist.”“Tell me what I’m supposed to say, name one other group that has terrorists.”
Concerned Citizen

Colfax, CA

#2 Oct 31, 2011
“Are you serious, there are extreme fundamentalist Christians who can be considered terrorists.”“Name one.”“Haven’t you heard of those crazy militias forming in the south?” What about the KKK, Jim?

Jim Killion told me to not tell him how to preach. I agree that he has the first amendment right to preach to his congregation how he sees fit. But shouldn’t he be expected to teach the truth? Why is it that Pastor Jim Killion, or any other adult affiliated with “Hell House” didn’t find something wrong with the message they were sending to kids? According to the Church on the Rock Facebook page,“about 1000 people went through and over 320 people made a decision for Jesus Christ.” Does this mean that 320 people are now thinking terrorist when he or she thinks Muslim. What about the kids, they’re far more impressionable.

In the days where Muslims have taken a hard hit from society, it’s sad to say that I saw the same hate message portrayed by the church. I tried to reason with myself, maybe I got the message wrong. Maybe he was saying it’s bad to be a terrorist, but the Muslim part just added to the production. As I reflect on it, I know that this reasoning is wrong since I asked him specifically why he had to say Muslim. The only logical explanation is that the message the performance was portraying is that it’s bad to be Muslim. If the pastor is teaching the truth as it was said by the “Savior,” then why would the issue of being Muslim come up? Through my research, I found that there is no specific chapter in the bible that says Muslims are bad. Utilizing false facts, or telling half facts in order to reach a certain goal is as unethical as anything can get.

With new shows premiering featuring Muslims, such as,“All American Muslim” on TLC, I thought as a nation we were beginning to progress forward. As of yesterday, I am sad to say that we are still on the same page we were on the 12th of September 2001.
Concerned Citizen

Colfax, CA

#3 Oct 31, 2011
***READ THIS FIRST***
Lets discuss a recent experience I had with a well known church here in Woodland. On the 30th of October, 2011, my friends and I decided to check out “Hell House,” a production of Church on the Rock. Initially we were not aware that the haunted house was put on by the church, the only information we had was that the haunted house was happening between 6 and 10 PM on cottonwood Street. When we realized that the haunted house was actually at the church, we were confused about what we should expect since it seemed odd that a church would run a haunted house. We decided to go with it in the spirit of Halloween.

While standing in line, my oldest and best friend, who is a man, and I started reminiscing on our youth. He reminded me about an experience he had at the Thursday night youth service. While in high school, my friend attempted to “challenge” the status quo a few times by wearing skirts and make up to school. Today I attribute his odd choice of clothing to his juvenile need to find himself and define his individuality. Most people look back at their high school years with questions such as “why would I ever wear that shirt, or why was my hair so big?” It’s needless to say that his choice to wear a skirt to school is his Achilles heel.

While still in high school, we frequented Church on the Rocks youth night before it made the move from second street to cottonwood. Usually, my friend would come to my house and we would hang out until the bus picked us up on my street. It just so happened that he wore a skirt on a Thursday to school and he still had it on while we boarded the bus and made our way to the church. Being teenagers, we didn’t foresee any problems that the church could have with his clothing style. It’s sad to say that we were very wrong. Before he was even able to walk into the door, the head pastor, Jim Killion, targeted him out. Jim not only told my friend that he wasn’t allowed to stay for the youth night, he banned him from returning. Jim’s reasoning was that my friend was gay. That accusation is as amusing today as it was in 2005. If Jim Killion had really cared about the youth, he would have known that although my friend didn’t exactly fit in with societies idea of what a 17 year old adolescent should look like, he was and is as heterosexual as a man can get. While waiting in line to venture through “Hell House,” we decided that the past was the past. That experience was just a huge misunderstanding, right?

The line continued to get shorter, and before we knew it, it was our turn to see what “Hell House” was about. It was set up like any normal haunted house. We moved from room to room, in each room some very brave and amazing actors portrayed different scenarios that adolescents can find themselves in. The third room is the reason why I am writing this now. The room was made to look like a war bunker. A few actors came walking in, but I really only noticed one. He was wearing a vest with a fake bomb pinned to it. The only thought that ran through my mind was “please don’t say your Muslim, please don’t Muslim again and again.” Then he said it. The words that I was dreading came through as he shouted “I am a Muslim Terrorist.” I instantly felt shaky and sick to my stomach, I couldn’t stay and listen to hate speech. As I was escorted out, I saw the pastor, Jim Killion, standing by the door. Throughout the night I saw him talking to people and walking around, I decided it was an okay time to discuss what I just heard with him. As we walked through the door, I said “you know, just because a person is Muslim, doesn’t mean that he or she is a terrorist.” Killion instantly started raising his voice. He went on a testosterone rage, as he got in my face he said “yes it does.” I replied with “why couldn’t the guy just say he’s a terrorist, why does he have to be a Muslim terrorist.”“Tell me what I’m supposed to say, name one other group that has terrorists.”
Concerned Citizen 2

Colfax, CA

#6 Oct 31, 2011
Sorry! My computer wasn't showing my posts so I kept trying to add them. OOops...
jujubee

Sacramento, CA

#7 Nov 1, 2011
It saddens me to hear of this. I have not attended this church but thought all was well with it from the news articles about the many activities they hold for kids and for the community itself.
Concerned Citizen 2

Colfax, CA

#8 Nov 1, 2011
I know I wont go back there again. I don't understand how more people are not questioning the pastors teachings.
Concerned Citizen 2

Colfax, CA

#9 Nov 1, 2011


Apparently I'm not the first person to bring this issue up.
jujubee

Sacramento, CA

#10 Nov 3, 2011
Concerned Citizen 2 wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =2v3TczTr6HMXX
Apparently I'm not the first person to bring this issue up.
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Concerned Citizen 2

Colfax, CA

#11 Nov 3, 2011
jujubee wrote:
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There was a woman in Santa Ana or San Diego (somewhere in So Cal) who went to one of these Hell Houses and apparently she was really offended by the abortion portion of the show. And the hell house that she went to wouldn't allow her and her son to leave, they made them stay.

On youtube, look up Hell House. There was also a documentary done about these places.
Jane Doe

San Francisco, CA

#12 Jun 14, 2012
I don't participate or have never attended a Hell House, but my impression from everything I read is they act out "sin" in a Haunted House scenario. I am a christian and don't believe it is a highly effective way to share the love of Jesus with people, but I hate that we can't speak ANY truth. I am not saying I agree that this pastor kicked a kid out of youth service for wearing a skirt, but the world pushes their "religion" in our face and tells us to swallow. If you are a Christian you believe abortion is murder. Why shouldn't one be able to say that? I think the more effective way of showing someone who has had an abortion the love of Jesus is show her we are all sinners, including her YET Christ died for her. We all need to repent. I don't believe in the effectiveness of picketing abortion clinics even though I think it is murder. I feel that I should be able to SPEAK the truth IN LOVE. Say that Abortion is murder and a sin, lying is a sin, cheating is a sin, fornication is a sin, backbiting is a sin, man with man and women with women is a sin, judging is a sin. God knows we all have offended in one point or another and we can NEVER be perfect enough. I have sinned in many areas and the only way we can live with Him in eternity is to accept the gift of His son Jesus. So share with people when you feel they are speaking truth in HATE and remind them they need to speak the TRUTH in love. But PLEASE don't think because someone speaks the TRUTH they hate. Im sorry you had this experience at a church.

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