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Obama promises more than 600,000 stimulus jobs

There are 109504 comments on the Newsday story from Jun 8, 2009, titled Obama promises more than 600,000 stimulus jobs. In it, Newsday reports that:

President Barack Obama promised Monday to deliver more than 600,000 jobs through his $787 billion stimulus plan this summer, with federal agencies pumping billions into public works projects, schools and summer youth programs.

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Devin

Newport News, VA

#105857 Jun 18, 2011
DavidH64 wrote:
<quoted text>
Bush vetoed his vetos? Just exactly how does that work? LMAO!
Only 4 of Bush vetos were sustained;
09-JUL-2006: Stem Cell Research Enhancement Act
01-MAY-2007: H.R. 1591, U.S. Troop Readiness, Veterans' Care, Katrina Recovery, and Iraq Accountability Appropriations Act of 2007
20-JUN-2007: Stem Cell Research Enhancement Act of 2007
03-OCT-2007: State Children's Health Insurance Program Reauthorization Act of 2007
Of the other 7 vetos those were either overrode or amended by Congress then signed by Bush. Albeit a prior veto by Bush, but the legislation was still enacted.
It DOES matter whether a veto occurs and it is overrode by Congress. Regardless of a veto, if it is overrode by Congress is the legislation not still law?
These are the only Bush Vetos overridden by Congress during the Democrats Majority..... Medicare, Flood Control, and Farm Subsidies...

http://www.senate.gov/reference/Legislation/V...

Where is the link to your informational source?

H.R.2419 Food, Conservation, and Energy Act of 2008 May 21 H.Doc. 110-115 Veto overridden by the House on May 21 by vote No. 346 (316-108).
Veto overridden by the Senate on May 22 by vote No. 140 (82-13).
Veto overridden

H.R.6124 Food, Conservation, and Energy Act of 2008 Jun 18 H.Doc. 110-125 Veto overridden by the House on Jun 18 by vote No. 417 (317-109).
Veto overridden by the Senate on Jun 18 by vote No. 151 (80-14).
Veto overridden

H.R.6331 Medicare Improvement for Patients and Providers Act of 2008 Jul 15 H.Doc. 110-131 Veto overridden by the House on Jul 15 by vote No. 491 (383-41).
Veto overridden by the Senate on Jul 15 by vote No. 177 (70-26).
Veto overridden

H.R.1495 Water Resources Development Act of 2007 Nov 2 H.Doc. 110-71 Veto overridden by the House on Nov 6 by vote No. 1040 (361-54).
Veto overridden by the Senate on Nov 8 by vote No. 406 (79-14).
Veto overridden

http://www.senate.gov/reference/Legislation/V...
Nostrilis Waxman

Windsor, CT

#105858 Jun 18, 2011
CASS SUNSTEIN wrote:
<quoted text>
In the eyes of his communist progressive supporters it does. In their eyes, obama is not strong enough to stand on his own word and merits. Everything the smartest president in our history does must be judged against people they consider stupid and failures. It's kind of like saying Ryan Leaf is a success, possibly one of the best ever, because he lasted longer in the league than JaMarcus Russel.
There are more of us than them, so that's OK. oBummer is not winning again. Good points - so true!
Devin

Newport News, VA

#105859 Jun 18, 2011
Nostrilis Waxman wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry lefty - your delusions don't make things true.
BOO!
Take your meds Devin & stop being a frsutarted libtard.
ROFLMAO....... You posted that Woman's personal information on this thread....... you were sanctioned by Topix..... That qualifies you as a Topix Stalker, at least the moderator considers you such......

Are you saying the Moderator did not come in here and warn you for your anti social behavior in posting that Woman's personal information?

In your delusional mind, this never happened? ROFLMAO, You're a Fraud...... ROFLMAO

ROFLMAO..... It's sad to see a grown man sniveling, whinning and LYING...... ROFLMAO
Devin

Newport News, VA

#105860 Jun 18, 2011
Sure I can, can you prove that Carter tore up some mythical Treaty to normalize relations with China..... ROFLMAO

After the Nixon Visit in 1972?........ ROFOLMAO

You would still have to explain what was Nixon doing in China on an Official State Visit,after the Chinese Cultural Revolution? America was the First Nation to send it's leader to Visit the Chinese.....

How did that happen, or are you claiming that never happened? ROFLMAO

Nixon sent in Henry Kissinger prior to going over to China himself.... How old are you that you don't remember that?
CASS SUNSTEIN wrote:
<quoted text>
Devin, can you prove RCP is run by the right wing as you claim?
I'm only curious because you just posted from a website that contains this language at the bottom of many pages:
"Copyright &#65533;China Internet Information Center. All Rights Reserved"
You sure seemed to have that at your fingertips there. Do they discuss laboUr at all?
nevertheless, I will now give you some quotes from that right wing bastion of crazies-PBS:
From 1976:
June 23 Democratic presidential candidate Jimmy Carter recommends establishing full diplomatic relations with China.
July 15 Jimmy Carter receives the Democratic presidential nomination. The Democratic Party platform promises "movement" on China.
From 1977:
August 19 Gerald Ford receives the Republican Party presidential nomination. The Republican Party platform states that improvements in U.S.-China relations "cannot realistically proceed at a forced or incautious pace."
May 1 U.S. officials reveal that the U.S. and China resumed talks in April to resolve financial claims blocking increased Sino-American trade and the opening of full diplomatic relations.Similar talks held in 1973 and 1975 ended in deadlock.
June 29 & 30 The U.S. outlines terms for normalizing relations with China, including: that the U.S. recognizes that there is only one China, whose government is in Beijing, and that Taiwan is a province of China; that the U.S. would sever diplomatic and treaty ties with the Republic of China on Taiwan
July 7 Washington Star, quoting Carter administration sources, reports that President Carter has decided to delay full normalization with China at least until 1978.
October 23 New York Times reports that the State Department is blocking a proposed American visit by the Tibetan Dalai Lama so as not to irritate China.
1978:
November 4 U.S. secretly sends draft proposal on opening full diplomatic relations to Beijing.
December 15 P.R.C. and U.S. issue joint communiqué announcing that they will initiate full diplomatic relations on January 1, 1979 and that the U.S. will sever formal relations with Taiwan, end its mutual defense treaty with Taiwan, and withdraw all U.S. forces from the island.
1979:
January 1 U.S. and China establish full diplomatic relations.
April 10 President Carter signs the Taiwan Relations Act, which legalizes new U.S. relationship with Taiwan.Under the bill, the U.S. essentially continues to treat Taiwan as an independent nation, sell it arms, lend it money, recognize its passports and grant its diplomats immunity from U.S. law.
AS I SAID, JIMMY SPOKE FOR THE COUNTRY AND SET POLICY. ONLY WHEN CONGRESS GAVE HIME THE RELATIONS ACT DID THEY HELP 'SET' THE POLICY.
YOUR NON SEQUITUR ABOUT WHAT NIXON DID IS IRRELEVANT TO THE ACTIONS OF CARTER, MUCH AS YOUR NON SEQUITURS ON BUSH ARE IRRELEVANT TO THAT ACTS OF OBAMA.
CAN NONE OF THE DEM PRESIDENTS BE JUDGED ON THEIR OWN MERIT?
cass sunstein

Lincoln, NE

#105861 Jun 18, 2011
Devin wrote:
November 08, 2007
The Senate on Thursday handed President Bush his first veto override -- authorizing $23 billion in new water projects.
The vote was 79-14. Approval by two-thirds of the Senate, 67 members, was required for passage.
Bush spiked the measure Friday despite its overwhelming bipartisan support, calling it too costly and complaining that the 900 projects it authorized would overtax the Army Corps of Engineers.
But the House of Representatives passed it again Tuesday on a 361-54 vote -- well beyond the two-thirds margin needed for an override
Supporters said the projects authorized under the Water Resources Development Act are necessary to rebuild the Gulf Coast after the devastation of Hurricane Katrina, restore the Everglades and Great Lakes fisheries and build flood-control projects nationwide.
They said it has been more than seven years since Congress passed a major water resources bill.
Sen. Barbara Boxer, a Democrat from California who was responsible for shepherding the bill through the Senate, said the Senate was sending the president a message.
"You should respect the Senate, the House, the Congress and American people because we are elected, too," Boxer said. "We are close to the people. We know what their needs are."
Florida Sens. Bill Nelson, a Democrat, and Mel Martinez, a Republican, said they also decided to vote to override the veto, noting that the bill authorizes nearly $2 billion for Florida projects, most of it related to the Everglades. Watch Senate override Bush's veto
"It's time for us to save one of the great natural wonders of the world," Nelson said at a news conference.
Before Thursday's vote, two senators from states hard-hit by Hurricane Katrina -- a Republican and a Democrat -- urged their peers to override the veto.
http://articles.cnn.com/2007-11-08/politics/c...
The Flooding of New Orleans and other Eastern Coastal Areas wasn't evidence enough that new water projects were necessary?
<quoted text>
I thought congressional dems didn't pass any spending back then...

Assuming appropriation of the necessary amounts, including adjustments for increases in
anticipated inflation, CBO estimates that implementing the legislation would cost about
$5.5 billion over the 2008-2012 period and an additional $26 billion over the 10 years after
2012.-cbo.gov

I guess you usually say Bush didn't sign it, so you're right there, but you said all the spending was based on existing law passed by republicans. Oops.
si se puede dumbshit
cass sunstein

Lincoln, NE

#105862 Jun 18, 2011
Devin wrote:
<quoted text>
These are the only Bush Vetos overridden by Congress during the Democrats Majority..... Medicare, Flood Control, and Farm Subsidies...
http://www.senate.gov/reference/Legislation/V...
Where is the link to your informational source?
H.R.2419 Food, Conservation, and Energy Act of 2008 May 21 H.Doc. 110-115 Veto overridden by the House on May 21 by vote No. 346 (316-108).
Veto overridden by the Senate on May 22 by vote No. 140 (82-13).
Veto overridden
H.R.6124 Food, Conservation, and Energy Act of 2008 Jun 18 H.Doc. 110-125 Veto overridden by the House on Jun 18 by vote No. 417 (317-109).
Veto overridden by the Senate on Jun 18 by vote No. 151 (80-14).
Veto overridden
H.R.6331 Medicare Improvement for Patients and Providers Act of 2008 Jul 15 H.Doc. 110-131 Veto overridden by the House on Jul 15 by vote No. 491 (383-41).
Veto overridden by the Senate on Jul 15 by vote No. 177 (70-26).
Veto overridden
H.R.1495 Water Resources Development Act of 2007 Nov 2 H.Doc. 110-71 Veto overridden by the House on Nov 6 by vote No. 1040 (361-54).
Veto overridden by the Senate on Nov 8 by vote No. 406 (79-14).
Veto overridden
http://www.senate.gov/reference/Legislation/V...
But you are against farm subsidies.
cass sunstein

Lincoln, NE

#105863 Jun 18, 2011
Devin wrote:
Sure I can, can you prove that Carter tore up some mythical Treaty to normalize relations with China..... ROFLMAO
After the Nixon Visit in 1972?........ ROFOLMAO
<quoted text>
You must have missed this. PBS' historical account of the relations between China and the US seems to disagree with you:

"December 15 P.R.C. and U.S. issue joint communiqué announcing that they will initiate full diplomatic relations on January 1, 1979 and that the U.S. will sever formal relations with Taiwan, end its mutual defense treaty with Taiwan, and withdraw all U.S. forces from the island."

See there where it says "end it's mutual defense treaty"?

But don't believe them. From the State Dept under Barack Obama:
"On January 1, 1979, the United States changed its diplomatic recognition from Taipei to Beijing. In the U.S.-P.R.C. Joint Communiqué that announced the change, the United States recognized the Government of the People's Republic of China as the sole legal government of China and acknowledged the Chinese position that there is but one China and Taiwan is part of China.Following de-recognition, the United States terminated its Mutual Defense Treaty with Taiwan."

Are you insinuating that our constitutional scholar president would allow incorrect information to be placed on the State dept website?
Devin

Newport News, VA

#105864 Jun 18, 2011
CASS SUNSTEIN wrote:
<quoted text>
No one was ever held "hostage". That is, of course, more of the rhetoric you communists rallied against earlier in the year.
Compromise my ass. You don't want the tax cuts, don't vote for the tax cuts. Say, do you have that link to the republican plan so I can compare it to the wording in the health care reform obama signed? After all, you said he signed the republican plan...
You not knowing the Republicans proposals isn't unexpected, you're still wet behind the ears on American Politics...... ROFLMAO

You don't know the process of how the federal budget is developed...nor about much of Congressional procedures and protocol. You not knowing anything about republicans and their politics or previous policies isn't alarming or surprising at the least.

You need to really do some historical research on Republican development and the history of the GOP.

The Republicans have been who they are, just within the last 30 years have they become deranged in their attempts to isolate America and advance War and Defense Spending...... Eisenhower in his exit speech warned the nation of the Republicans priorities using the Industrial War Complex to starve the nation's social programs.

Case in the point of the Eisenhower warning.... just under the last Administration, Republican, DOD and Security Spending has grown more than 79% in total..... to more than $1 Trillion of a $3 Trillion Dollar Budget.

Reagan posted $2.5 Trillion in Defense Spending on the nation's throats most in deferred payments.

Devin

Newport News, VA

#105865 Jun 18, 2011
cass sunstein wrote:
<quoted text>
But you are against farm subsidies.
I'm still against them.... You would be also if you believed in a level playing field and "Free Markets"....... America, despite the rhetoric about Free Market has never been a Free Market economy.

Prior to 1979 Minorities were restricted from entering the markets in several areas, before 1964 Minorities couldn't even apply for jobs or contracting opportunities.... How is that defined in a Free Market economy within the rules of Capitalism?
cass sunstein

Lincoln, NE

#105866 Jun 18, 2011
Devin wrote:
<quoted text>
These are the only Bush Vetos overridden by Congress during the Democrats Majority..... Medicare, Flood Control, and Farm Subsidies...
http://www.senate.gov/reference/Legislation/V...
Where is the link to your informational source?
H.R.2419 Food, Conservation, and Energy Act of 2008 May 21 H.Doc. 110-115 Veto overridden by the House on May 21 by vote No. 346 (316-108).
Veto overridden by the Senate on May 22 by vote No. 140 (82-13).
Veto overridden
H.R.6124 Food, Conservation, and Energy Act of 2008 Jun 18 H.Doc. 110-125 Veto overridden by the House on Jun 18 by vote No. 417 (317-109).
Veto overridden by the Senate on Jun 18 by vote No. 151 (80-14).
Veto overridden
H.R.6331 Medicare Improvement for Patients and Providers Act of 2008 Jul 15 H.Doc. 110-131 Veto overridden by the House on Jul 15 by vote No. 491 (383-41).
Veto overridden by the Senate on Jul 15 by vote No. 177 (70-26).
Veto overridden
H.R.1495 Water Resources Development Act of 2007 Nov 2 H.Doc. 110-71 Veto overridden by the House on Nov 6 by vote No. 1040 (361-54).
Veto overridden by the Senate on Nov 8 by vote No. 406 (79-14).
Veto overridden
http://www.senate.gov/reference/Legislation/V...
Thanks for posting the bill numbers for the congressional period in which you said democrats did nothing to increase spending. It makes my life easier. From the CBO:

Pursuant to section 203 of S. Con. Res. 21, CBO estimates that changes in
direct spending and revenues from enacting H.R. 2419 would cause an
increase in the on-budget deficit greater than $5 billion in at least one of the
10-year periods between 2018 and 2057.

But but but the democrats only followed existing law, right devin? They didn't pass any new spending, right devin? Those deficits were all the big bad republicans right?
Teddy R

Muscat, Oman

#105867 Jun 18, 2011
cass sunstein wrote:
The world of devinokbostondingo
Republican minority in congress held up everything
Democrat minority in congress had zero power
Democrat congress in 2008 could do nothing without the president
Republican congress in 2011 can do anything they want
Bush is a failure guilty of war crimes
Obama is awesome because he is not bush
Man, you guys are too much
Nailed it. Well done, Sir.
Devin

Newport News, VA

#105868 Jun 18, 2011
A Congressional Override is a bi-partisan effort..... did you see the vote totals?$5 Billion and Bush Deficits were in the Half Trillion Dollar areas...... ROFLMAO

He was trying to divert domestic funds to his wars and nation building activities in Iraq and Afghanistan..... ROFLMAO

The American people didn't love the idea of Iraq that much.... ROFLMAO, Not even the Republicans....... ROFLMAO
cass sunstein wrote:
<quoted text>
I thought congressional dems didn't pass any spending back then...
Assuming appropriation of the necessary amounts, including adjustments for increases in
anticipated inflation, CBO estimates that implementing the legislation would cost about
$5.5 billion over the 2008-2012 period and an additional $26 billion over the 10 years after
2012.-cbo.gov
I guess you usually say Bush didn't sign it, so you're right there, but you said all the spending was based on existing law passed by republicans. Oops.
si se puede dumbshit
cass sunstein

Lincoln, NE

#105869 Jun 18, 2011
Devin wrote:
<quoted text>
You not knowing the Republicans proposals isn't unexpected, you're still wet behind the ears on American Politics...... ROFLMAO
You don't know the process of how the federal budget is developed...nor about much of Congressional procedures and protocol. You not knowing anything about republicans and their politics or previous policies isn't alarming or surprising at the least.
You need to really do some historical research on Republican development and the history of the GOP.
The Republicans have been who they are, just within the last 30 years have they become deranged in their attempts to isolate America and advance War and Defense Spending...... Eisenhower in his exit speech warned the nation of the Republicans priorities using the Industrial War Complex to starve the nation's social programs.
Case in the point of the Eisenhower warning.... just under the last Administration, Republican, DOD and Security Spending has grown more than 79% in total..... to more than $1 Trillion of a $3 Trillion Dollar Budget.
Reagan posted $2.5 Trillion in Defense Spending on the nation's throats most in deferred payments.
No no. You said the democrats compromised and adopted the "republican plan" for the heatlh care legislation. You claim it is the "republican plan". Here is the website for you. Please show us the "plan" from the republicans that shares the same language of this law:

http://www.healthcare.gov/

You should also let us know which democrat received the "plan" from the republicans and introduced the plan written by republicans. This is all very interesting.

si se puede
Devin

Newport News, VA

#105870 Jun 18, 2011
ROFLMAO $5 Billion over 10 years, or $500,000 Million a year.... as compared to the Billions squandered in Iraq over 9 years...... ROFLMAO, Hell there is $6.6 Billion in unaccounted cash as a result of Money lifts to Iraq...... ROFLMAO

Your budget management skills signal you out as a Republican.... ROFLMAO
cass sunstein wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks for posting the bill numbers for the congressional period in which you said democrats did nothing to increase spending. It makes my life easier. From the CBO:
Pursuant to section 203 of S. Con. Res. 21, CBO estimates that changes in
direct spending and revenues from enacting H.R. 2419 would cause an
increase in the on-budget deficit greater than $5 billion in at least one of the
10-year periods between 2018 and 2057.
But but but the democrats only followed existing law, right devin? They didn't pass any new spending, right devin? Those deficits were all the big bad republicans right?
Devin

Newport News, VA

#105871 Jun 18, 2011
cass sunstein wrote:
<quoted text>
No no. You said the democrats compromised and adopted the "republican plan" for the heatlh care legislation. You claim it is the "republican plan". Here is the website for you. Please show us the "plan" from the republicans that shares the same language of this law:
http://www.healthcare.gov/
You should also let us know which democrat received the "plan" from the republicans and introduced the plan written by republicans. This is all very interesting.
si se puede
Without you having sufficient information to refute the Health Care Reform bill actually being the old Republican Health Care Plan, what information are you working off of to refute that?

ROFLMAO

Had you researched the Bob Dole proposal, or the Richard Nixon proposal offered to Ted Kennedy?

No you had not..... that's obvious.... if you took the time you'd see it's the same plan, the same plan Romney put in place.... ROFLMAO

I don't have to debate this, I know what it is, I've seen it before.... you on the other hand are new to politics and the issues are new to you..... Health Care has been an ideology divide in America since 1964

None of the Republican positions are new.... Cap and Trade as an energy policy....... that was a Republican concept.......as would be the case anything the Dems sign onto the Republican in the recent climate oppose....

Some of you complain about taxes, given that Obama has lowered 17 different taxes mostly those associated with the Middle and Low Income workers..... Taxes across the board have never been so low since the World Wars.....

The only tax you have to be complaining about is the new Tax on Tanning Booths..... For Small Business with employees numbering below 50, we finally have a tax credit on supplying medical insurance. That's appreciated but it's not enough being the Insurance cartels continue without reason or regulations in place increase premiums.

You go look up prior Republican proposals... and decipher what's a new idea....you'll not find any from the Republicans, it's all the same, Defense, Security and Tax Cuts.
Devin

Newport News, VA

#105872 Jun 18, 2011
Yep..... all the Republicans doings..... ROFLMAO

That's nothing new despite the common beliefs it's the democrats that deficit spend....... ROFLMAO

That's just a cover up lie to balloon the false image of Ronald Reagan
cass sunstein wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks for posting the bill numbers for the congressional period in which you said democrats did nothing to increase spending. It makes my life easier. From the CBO:
Pursuant to section 203 of S. Con. Res. 21, CBO estimates that changes in
direct spending and revenues from enacting H.R. 2419 would cause an
increase in the on-budget deficit greater than $5 billion in at least one of the
10-year periods between 2018 and 2057.
But but but the democrats only followed existing law, right devin? They didn't pass any new spending, right devin? Those deficits were all the big bad republicans right?

“GUNS A PLENTY”

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#105873 Jun 18, 2011
okboston wrote:
<quoted text>
Interestingly enough, Obama now has more executive experience and has not resigned.
Just sayin....
Ahh!
But he ran away from his Jr Senator job.

His executive experience has destroyed this country.
You will be among the small minority who still believes his "Hopey Changey" thing.

Good luck with that.
Devin

Newport News, VA

#105874 Jun 18, 2011
I noticed you ignored the Flood Control Measures that were overridden by Congress.....

In Light of the recent floods in the midwest, I would say the Army Corp of Engineers are greatly under funded by those measures that George Bush initially vetoed..... what say you?

ROFLMAO
cass sunstein wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks for posting the bill numbers for the congressional period in which you said democrats did nothing to increase spending. It makes my life easier. From the CBO:
Pursuant to section 203 of S. Con. Res. 21, CBO estimates that changes in
direct spending and revenues from enacting H.R. 2419 would cause an
increase in the on-budget deficit greater than $5 billion in at least one of the
10-year periods between 2018 and 2057.
But but but the democrats only followed existing law, right devin? They didn't pass any new spending, right devin? Those deficits were all the big bad republicans right?

“GUNS A PLENTY”

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#105875 Jun 18, 2011
okboston wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, at least all Presidents who are not bush.
Still whining over Bush?
LOL

Shave it!
Devin

Newport News, VA

#105876 Jun 18, 2011
No, I'm not giving a shit about the PBS Account.....

I know and remember that Richard Nixon 1.) Sent Henry Kissinger to China, and 2.) Made an official visit to China in 1972, the first head of State of any nation to do so after the Chinese Cultural Revolution which began the dialogue to normalize Relations between the United States and China.

How old are you that you've forgotten that historical event?
cass sunstein wrote:
<quoted text>
You must have missed this. PBS' historical account of the relations between China and the US seems to disagree with you:
"December 15 P.R.C. and U.S. issue joint communiqué announcing that they will initiate full diplomatic relations on January 1, 1979 and that the U.S. will sever formal relations with Taiwan, end its mutual defense treaty with Taiwan, and withdraw all U.S. forces from the island."
See there where it says "end it's mutual defense treaty"?
But don't believe them. From the State Dept under Barack Obama:
"On January 1, 1979, the United States changed its diplomatic recognition from Taipei to Beijing. In the U.S.-P.R.C. Joint Communiqué that announced the change, the United States recognized the Government of the People's Republic of China as the sole legal government of China and acknowledged the Chinese position that there is but one China and Taiwan is part of China.Following de-recognition, the United States terminated its Mutual Defense Treaty with Taiwan."
Are you insinuating that our constitutional scholar president would allow incorrect information to be placed on the State dept website?

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