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There are 54323 comments on the Newsday story from Dec 14, 2008, titled Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leaving litt.... In it, Newsday reports that:

When Bill Clinton took office in 1993, global warming was a slow-moving environmental problem that was easy to ignore.

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SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#40540 Oct 9, 2013
Retired Farmer wrote:
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I'm afraid you are right, caveman. Human civilization is ultimately based on africulture, no matter how technologically advanced we become. The environment has to be good enough for the earth to be able to produce the food. If it can't, then a lot of people starve and civilization collapses.
It happened to the Anasazi, probably to the Mississippians, and to some civilizations in Central Asia about the same time. In those days, with far far fewer people, the survivors just fanned out and became hunters, herders, and scattered subsistence farmers. Now there are far too many people to do that. When the climate deteriorates to the point that crops fail on a global scale, billions of people will starve.
No, you are incorrect. Human civilization started in west Asia, today's Turkey and Syria aka the Near East..

Your examples of climate change are too recent because Central Asia went through catastrophic changes much much earlier. We are just beginning to uncover the buried history that the Soviets occupied until their recent demise.
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#40541 Oct 9, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
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I think the structure of civilization will fall apart long before the worst of warming arrives...like maybe in just a very few years.
Well, I am hopeful that people will unite for solutions. Example, now there are about one million child refugees from Syria. Let's solve this one first.
Retired Farmer

Marion, KY

#40542 Oct 9, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>No, you are incorrect. Human civilization started in west Asia, today's Turkey and Syria aka the Near East..
Your examples of climate change are too recent because Central Asia went through catastrophic changes much much earlier. We are just beginning to uncover the buried history that the Soviets occupied until their recent demise.
I never said anything about where civilization started.(I also mistyped the word "agriculture" into "africlture"). I said that the North American Indian Anasazi and Mississipian mound builder cultures and some cultures in Central Asia collapsed about during times of severe climatic stress roundabout the same time - c. AD 1450. So did the Mayans.

There's an article that you should read, but I don't think it is online:

Peter B. DeMenocal "Cultural Responses to Climate Change During the Late Holocene" Science, vol. 292 (2001), pp. 667-672.

True, there were much earlier times of climate stress in several parts of the world.

But the one that is relevant to us IS the one closest in time and geographic space, because of the effects that it had. When we get the next cyclical megadrought on the Great Plains it will be bad enough if it is exactly like the one in the 1400s. With CO2 boosted Global Warming to supercharge it...
Leahe

Madison, WI

#40543 Oct 9, 2013
I don't know if I buy into the theory of global warming. There certainly is no global warming in Wisconsin as we have the worst winters. Ironically it has been a warm October. We had no frost yet as we normaly would by now. However, I work at a farm supply store and farmers predicted a very brutal winter which I am not looking forward to. What farmers predict, usually comes true.
Leahe

Madison, WI

#40544 Oct 9, 2013
Mothra wrote:
The Big Lie Becomes Official At NOAA
I’ve been warning for months that NOAA was going to claim that 2012 was the hottest year ever, regardless of the actual temperatures. They did it today.
"The year 2012 was the warmest on record for the contiguous United States, beating the previous record by a full degree in temperature, a government climate agency said on Tuesday. Scientists at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration said the average temperature in 2012 in the contiguous United States was 55.3 degrees Fahrenheit (12.94 degrees Celsius), 3.2 degrees above the average recorded during the 20th century and 1.0 degree above 1998, until now the hottest on record."
2012 was hottest year on record in U.S., climate agency says | Reuters
I will do a more complete analysis later, but for now I want you to focus on the bold sentence above, which claims that 1998 used to be the hottest year in the US.
In an article which NASA published in 1999, Hansen showed that 1998 was only the fifth warmest year, after 1934, 1921, 1931 and 1953. In fact, 1998 was 0.6C cooler than 1934.
Over the past decade, NASA and NOAA have continuously altered the temperature record to cool the past and warm the present. Their claims are straight out of Orwell’s 1984, and have nothing to do with science.
http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2013/01/08...
Yes, Wisconsin also had 100 plus record breaking temperatures that summer as well. Just like summers in Arizona and Texas. That is why I would avoid those places from June through September. However, the best time to go to these places would be February and March.
Retired Farmer

Marion, KY

#40545 Oct 9, 2013
Leahe wrote:
I don't know if I buy into the theory of global warming. There certainly is no global warming in Wisconsin as we have the worst winters. Ironically it has been a warm October. We had no frost yet as we normaly would by now. However, I work at a farm supply store and farmers predicted a very brutal winter which I am not looking forward to. What farmers predict, usually comes true.
Global warming is only common sense. CO2 is the key greenhouse gas in the atmosphere. That has been in science textbooks for well over 100 years. Scientists have been able to measure it in the atmosphere for about 200 years. It can be measured in ice cores and in other ways for thousands of years. Humans have greatly increased the amount of CO2 over the last 250 or so years, mostly from burning coal. The increase has gotten much steeper as the amount of coal burned increased.

Strange as it seems, harsh winters can be an effect of global warming. Ordinarily the Gulf of Mexico is cool in the winter, so not much moisture evaporates. But as the ocean temperature increases, it evaporates more, and summer like weather systems with a lot of water in them develop. Those systems move north and collide with cold, dry air from the Arctic. The result is bad blizzards and ice storms.
Leahe

Madison, WI

#40546 Oct 9, 2013
Retired Farmer wrote:
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Global warming is only common sense. CO2 is the key greenhouse gas in the atmosphere. That has been in science textbooks for well over 100 years. Scientists have been able to measure it in the atmosphere for about 200 years. It can be measured in ice cores and in other ways for thousands of years. Humans have greatly increased the amount of CO2 over the last 250 or so years, mostly from burning coal. The increase has gotten much steeper as the amount of coal burned increased.
Strange as it seems, harsh winters can be an effect of global warming. Ordinarily the Gulf of Mexico is cool in the winter, so not much moisture evaporates. But as the ocean temperature increases, it evaporates more, and summer like weather systems with a lot of water in them develop. Those systems move north and collide with cold, dry air from the Arctic. The result is bad blizzards and ice storms.
I am sorry, I am not trying to be selfish. I am not looking forward to next winter at all. The farmers said it is going to have record snowfall and record low temperatures which could mean minus 40 windchill not included. When the farmer speaks, you better listen.
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#40547 Oct 9, 2013
Leahe wrote:
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I am sorry, I am not trying to be selfish. I am not looking forward to next winter at all. The farmers said it is going to have record snowfall and record low temperatures which could mean minus 40 windchill not included. When the farmer speaks, you better listen.
Hahahaha what would they do in Alaska or Hawaii or in other territories without the Almanac?

What about the rest of the world outside the USA? No Almanac.. LOL.

“BET DAP”

Since: Feb 09

GOOM BOWN

#40548 Oct 9, 2013
I'M BACK!!!!!!!!!!

Did I miss anything aside from the usual leftist (and let's just call it for what it is) ridiculous stupiditty.

You people are totally anti-scientific, aren't you?

I want to see some predictions backed up with real evidence!!!

Sort of like....where is Mann's Nobel Prize?

Somebody can't seem to find it!!!

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#40549 Oct 9, 2013
Leahe wrote:
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I am sorry, I am not trying to be selfish. I am not looking forward to next winter at all. The farmers said it is going to have record snowfall and record low temperatures which could mean minus 40 windchill not included. When the farmer speaks, you better listen.
As mothball is quoting record temps in the 1920's Australia as some significant spike in the scheme of things. A record winter in your Area has no bearing either. It's all about the global averages and if you look at the site mothball linked Sydney today is going to be 39c with extreme fire danger thats over 100 deg F and its only first week of spring in the southern hemisphere so the summer should be a cracker. So yes global warming is here and with that comes extreme weather INCLUDING extreme winters or no winters at all.
cynthia

Europe

#40553 Oct 9, 2013
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Since: Mar 09

Wichita, KS

#40555 Oct 10, 2013
Retired Farmer wrote:
<quoted text>
Yep. They, who call themselves "Republicans" use the word "Progressive" as an insult, but who was the best known turn of the 20th century Progressive? Answer: Theodore Roosevelt!
I have actually run some T.R. quotes by some Tea Party types without telling them that it was his words and they instantly labeled it "socialist" or "communist" or "Marxist".
More on the Big Warmup that I posted stuff about earlier. This one is USA specific and has a nice map.
That was when the Party had some sense. TR was one of the great Presidents. While some of the ideals of the TP are good, many are regressive.

It is amazing how many of the conservatives have rejected science to promote their regressive agenda.

Since: Mar 09

Wichita, KS

#40556 Oct 10, 2013
Mothra wrote:
Marble Bar heatwave, 1923-24
The world record for the longest sequence of days above 100°Fahrenheit (or 37.8° on the Celsius scale) is held by Marble Bar in the inland Pilbara district of Western Australia. The temperature, measured under standard exposure conditions, reached or exceeded the century mark every day from 31 October 1923 to 7 April 1924, a total of 160 days.
http://www.bom.gov.au/lam/climate/levelthree/...
What's your point?

Since: Mar 09

Wichita, KS

#40557 Oct 10, 2013
Mothra wrote:
The Big Lie Becomes Official At NOAA
I’ve been warning for months that NOAA was going to claim that 2012 was the hottest year ever, regardless of the actual temperatures. They did it today.
"The year 2012 was the warmest on record for the contiguous United States, beating the previous record by a full degree in temperature, a government climate agency said on Tuesday. Scientists at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration said the average temperature in 2012 in the contiguous United States was 55.3 degrees Fahrenheit (12.94 degrees Celsius), 3.2 degrees above the average recorded during the 20th century and 1.0 degree above 1998, until now the hottest on record."
2012 was hottest year on record in U.S., climate agency says | Reuters
I will do a more complete analysis later, but for now I want you to focus on the bold sentence above, which claims that 1998 used to be the hottest year in the US.
In an article which NASA published in 1999, Hansen showed that 1998 was only the fifth warmest year, after 1934, 1921, 1931 and 1953. In fact, 1998 was 0.6C cooler than 1934.
Over the past decade, NASA and NOAA have continuously altered the temperature record to cool the past and warm the present. Their claims are straight out of Orwell’s 1984, and have nothing to do with science.
http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2013/01/08...
Is Steve your new god? What a lot of baseless propaganda. 1934 may have been the warmest in the continental USA, but that is irrelevant to the discussion. Globally, 1998 was warmer and the past decade is the warmest ever recorded globally.
Mothra

Phoenix, AZ

#40558 Oct 10, 2013
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
<quoted text>What's your point?
Check the dates. What was CO2 then and now?
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#40559 Oct 10, 2013
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
<quoted text>
Is Steve your new god? What a lot of baseless propaganda. 1934 may have been the warmest in the continental USA, but that is irrelevant to the discussion. Globally, 1998 was warmer and the past decade is the warmest ever recorded globally.
Come on... that record in 1934 was broken in 2012.

A denier is a liar..
Mothra

Phoenix, AZ

#40560 Oct 10, 2013
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
<quoted text>
Is Steve your new god? What a lot of baseless propaganda. 1934 may have been the warmest in the continental USA, but that is irrelevant to the discussion. Globally, 1998 was warmer and the past decade is the warmest ever recorded globally.
Irrelevant?

So you have no objection to doctoring data?
Mothra

Phoenix, AZ

#40561 Oct 10, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>Come on... that record in 1934 was broken in 2012.
A denier is a liar..
What a crank.

IF you change the data, you can make any year the hottest.
NobodyYouKnow

Toronto, Canada

#40562 Oct 10, 2013
Mothra wrote:
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What a crank.
IF you change the data, you can make any year the hottest.
Not happening in legitimate science, where there are too many competing to find flaws in any OTHER scientists work.

But sure. You can make any year look cooler if you manipulate the data which is what most of the denial sites do. And there is NO professional competence or checks on their work. They make it up on the spot..
LessHypeMoreFact

Toronto, Canada

#40563 Oct 10, 2013
Mothra wrote:
<quoted text>
What a crank.
IF you change the data, you can make any year the hottest.
You could all right. Or the coolest. But that is because you are an idiot and don't have any principles. Also you don't have hundreds of other scientists looking at your papers and correcting any obvious flaws. i.e. you are not a climate researcher. For YOU, anything is possible. And irrelevant.

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