Obamacare - Just so we're all clear

Obamacare - Just so we're all clear

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Anonymous

Kingsland, GA

#1 Aug 25, 2013
As Republicans plot and scheme to shutdown our government over Obamacare funding this fall, let's review where the healthcare mandate idea came from: Republicans.

"The controversial individual mandate that was upheld Thursday by the U.S. Supreme Court stems back more than 20 years, believed to have originated with a prominent conservative think tank.

The mandate, requiring every American to purchase health insurance, appeared in a 1989 published proposal by Stuart M. Butler of the conservative Heritage Foundation called "Assuring Affordable Health Care for All Americans," which included a provision to "mandate all households to obtain adequate insurance."

The Heritage Foundation "substantially revised" its proposal four years later, according to a 1994 analysis by the Congressional Budget Office. But the idea of an individual health insurance mandate later appeared in two bills introduced by Republican lawmakers in 1993, according to the non-partisan research group ProCon.org . Among the supporters of the bills were senators Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, and Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, who today oppose the mandate under current law.

In 2006, Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney, who was then governor of Massachusetts, signed off on a law requiring individuals of the state to purchase health insurance. American Bridge 21st Century, a Democratic opposition research group, on Wednesday released a 2006 video in which Romney says he is “very pleased” with the mandate.

“With regards to the individual mandate, the individual responsibility program that I proposed, I was very pleased that the compromise between the two houses includes the personal responsibility mandate. That is essential for bringing the health care costs down for everyone and getting everyone the health insurance they need," Romney says in the video.

In 2007, a bi-partisan Senate bill authored by Senators Bob Bennett, R-Utah, and Ron Wyden, D-Oregon, contained a mandate. In 2009, however, Republican senators declared such a provision “unconstitutional.”

And when did President Obama take office, oh yea, 2009, the same year Republicans decided if Democrats like something they need to oppose it.

The message here: You can't trust Republicans to govern or do the right thing for our families. Vote D.
Disgusted

Kingsland, GA

#2 Aug 25, 2013
http://onlineathens.com/local-news/2013-08-15...

Meanwhile, our State Rep. works to prevent Georgians from accessing information. That's right...the dissemination of information is now, apparently, an evil thing.“The federal government wanted this policy; therefore, let them fund it and implement it on their own,” Spencer wrote." The grant given to UGA was from the federal government so who knows what Jason's talking about.
Tom22

Kingsland, GA

#4 Aug 25, 2013
I'm with you. It's the law even if Republican God Spencer don't like it. And intentionally obstructing Georgians from obtaining information and participating should be illegal. Republicans suck.
Weeble

Kingsland, GA

#6 Aug 26, 2013
Spencer, how does keeping information from the public serve and empower the citizens? Let us make up our own minds.
bubba131

Saint Marys, GA

#7 Aug 26, 2013
Anonymous wrote:
As Republicans plot and scheme to shutdown our government over Obamacare funding this fall, let's review where the healthcare mandate idea came from: Republicans.
"The controversial individual mandate that was upheld Thursday by the U.S. Supreme Court stems back more than 20 years, believed to have originated with a prominent conservative think tank.
The mandate, requiring every American to purchase health insurance, appeared in a 1989 published proposal by Stuart M. Butler of the conservative Heritage Foundation called "Assuring Affordable Health Care for All Americans," which included a provision to "mandate all households to obtain adequate insurance."
The Heritage Foundation "substantially revised" its proposal four years later, according to a 1994 analysis by the Congressional Budget Office. But the idea of an individual health insurance mandate later appeared in two bills introduced by Republican lawmakers in 1993, according to the non-partisan research group ProCon.org . Among the supporters of the bills were senators Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, and Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, who today oppose the mandate under current law.
In 2006, Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney, who was then governor of Massachusetts, signed off on a law requiring individuals of the state to purchase health insurance. American Bridge 21st Century, a Democratic opposition research group, on Wednesday released a 2006 video in which Romney says he is “very pleased” with the mandate.
“With regards to the individual mandate, the individual responsibility program that I proposed, I was very pleased that the compromise between the two houses includes the personal responsibility mandate. That is essential for bringing the health care costs down for everyone and getting everyone the health insurance they need," Romney says in the video.
In 2007, a bi-partisan Senate bill authored by Senators Bob Bennett, R-Utah, and Ron Wyden, D-Oregon, contained a mandate. In 2009, however, Republican senators declared such a provision “unconstitutional.”
And when did President Obama take office, oh yea, 2009, the same year Republicans decided if Democrats like something they need to oppose it.
The message here: You can't trust Republicans to govern or do the right thing for our families. Vote D.
Absolute garbage!!
And the democrats have done so well...
Millions more on welfare
Americans Butchered in Benghazi and you could care less as long as you democrats can cover it up.
I wonder if you would be so uncaring if it was one of your kids butchered?
Probably not as long as you could blame cover it up..
You are ALWAYS wrong....it must e a gift
Max

Kingsland, GA

#8 Aug 26, 2013
bubba131 wrote:
<quoted text>
Absolute garbage!!
And the democrats have done so well...
Millions more on welfare
Americans Butchered in Benghazi and you could care less as long as you democrats can cover it up.
I wonder if you would be so uncaring if it was one of your kids butchered?
Probably not as long as you could blame cover it up..
You are ALWAYS wrong....it must e a gift
And here we have an example of a fairly typical low-information Republican Teapublican voter. When given exact quotes, facts, references, hot-links, etc., attributing something to an individual or organization, he responds in this unhelpful, disrespectful, childish manner.

So yes, all you need to do to defeat Republicans Teapublicans is present them with truth and facts. They find both intolerable.

Vote the Democratic Party ticket for an even greater, stronger America free from the blind ignorance and bigotry of Republicans.

“Commander & Chef”

Since: Sep 11

Saint Marys, GA

#9 Aug 26, 2013
Max wrote:
<quoted text>
And here we have an example of a fairly typical low-information Republican Teapublican voter. When given exact quotes, facts, references, hot-links, etc., attributing something to an individual or organization, he responds in this unhelpful, disrespectful, childish manner.
So yes, all you need to do to defeat Republicans Teapublicans is present them with truth and facts. They find both intolerable.
Vote the Democratic Party ticket for an even greater, stronger America free from the blind ignorance and bigotry of Republicans.
You must be doing very well in your creative writing class.

“Don't let em take ur liberties”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#10 Aug 26, 2013
bubba131 wrote:
<quoted text>
Absolute garbage!!
And the democrats have done so well...
Millions more on welfare
Americans Butchered in Benghazi and you could care less as long as you democrats can cover it up.
I wonder if you would be so uncaring if it was one of your kids butchered?
Probably not as long as you could blame cover it up..
You are ALWAYS wrong....it must e a gift
The smell of skunk does not help friendship.
bubba131

Saint Marys, GA

#12 Aug 27, 2013
Max wrote:
<quoted text>
And here we have an example of a fairly typical low-information Republican Teapublican voter. When given exact quotes, facts, references, hot-links, etc., attributing something to an individual or organization, he responds in this unhelpful, disrespectful, childish manner.
So yes, all you need to do to defeat Republicans Teapublicans is present them with truth and facts. They find both intolerable.
Vote the Democratic Party ticket for an even greater, stronger America free from the blind ignorance and bigotry of Republicans.
Talk about a brainless post...
And the democrats have done so well...
People butchered in Benghazi and the following coverup and he/she could care less.
I wonder if he would be so uncaring if it was his child slaughtered...probably.
Typical democrat....
My guess is he /she is government worker who couldn't hack it in the private sector
bubba131

Saint Marys, GA

#13 Aug 27, 2013
And, keep in mind that the government wrote the bill and it will be adminstered by government employees.
Not a chance of being an efficient equitable law.
.
Tom

Kingsland, GA

#14 Aug 28, 2013
Destiny is here. Not funding Obamacare will fund everything else. You say we can't make that choice.
Kim

Kingsland, GA

#15 Aug 28, 2013
Don't any of you naysayers think it's even a little bit strange that Massachusetts has had essentially Obamacare for over 7 years now and loves it? I mean if it stunk, really stunk, they've sure had more than enough time since Republican Governor Romney put it in place to put up a stink and abolish it once and for all. And yet they've not done so. In fact, it's never even been considered.

But what they have done is amend it 3 times to further improve it. This healthcare reform was all done under the umbrella of individuals taking "personal responsibility" which Republicans say they support, but you sure wouldn't know it.

For me, given the success of this reform in Massachusetts, I say give the ACA a fair shake after a few years of it being off and running, then we'll see. But Republican Governors and Republican quacks like Spencer trying to obstruct the reform almost before its begun is not a fair shake and certainly not helpful to Georgians or the country and voters know it.
Tom22

Kingsland, GA

#17 Aug 29, 2013
Kim wrote:
Don't any of you naysayers think it's even a little bit strange that Massachusetts has had essentially Obamacare for over 7 years now and loves it? I mean if it stunk, really stunk, they've sure had more than enough time since Republican Governor Romney put it in place to put up a stink and abolish it once and for all. And yet they've not done so. In fact, it's never even been considered.
But what they have done is amend it 3 times to further improve it. This healthcare reform was all done under the umbrella of individuals taking "personal responsibility" which Republicans say they support, but you sure wouldn't know it.
For me, given the success of this reform in Massachusetts, I say give the ACA a fair shake after a few years of it being off and running, then we'll see. But Republican Governors and Republican quacks like Spencer trying to obstruct the reform almost before its begun is not a fair shake and certainly not helpful to Georgians or the country and voters know it.
Hear, hear.
William Munny

Winona, MN

#18 Aug 29, 2013
Kim wrote:
Don't any of you naysayers think it's even a little bit strange that Massachusetts has had essentially Obamacare for over 7 years now and loves it? I mean if it stunk, really stunk, they've sure had more than enough time since Republican Governor Romney put it in place to put up a stink and abolish it once and for all. And yet they've not done so. In fact, it's never even been considered.
But what they have done is amend it 3 times to further improve it. This healthcare reform was all done under the umbrella of individuals taking "personal responsibility" which Republicans say they support, but you sure wouldn't know it.
For me, given the success of this reform in Massachusetts, I say give the ACA a fair shake after a few years of it being off and running, then we'll see. But Republican Governors and Republican quacks like Spencer trying to obstruct the reform almost before its begun is not a fair shake and certainly not helpful to Georgians or the country and voters know it.
Oh, so EVERYONE in Massachusetts loves it, huh?! That's not what I hear.
The democraps plan for "healthcare" is planned to fail so that they have an excuse to go to full single-payer, government-run "healthcare". Basically, so they can intrude even more in your life, and so they can control even more of your life. Because that's what it is about - control, and power. And they want to keep both of them.
Wake up.

Oh, btw, "Tom", "Kim" and all your other alias you post with to make it seem like you have so many people agreeing with you, we can see where you are from. And you are not fooling anybody. Not with your names and not with your deceitful rhetoric.
Anon

Kingsland, GA

#19 Aug 29, 2013
William Munny wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh, so EVERYONE in Massachusetts loves it, huh?! That's not what I hear.
The democraps plan for "healthcare" is planned to fail so that they have an excuse to go to full single-payer, government-run "healthcare". Basically, so they can intrude even more in your life, and so they can control even more of your life. Because that's what it is about - control, and power. And they want to keep both of them.
Wake up.
Oh, btw, "Tom", "Kim" and all your other alias you post with to make it seem like you have so many people agreeing with you, we can see where you are from. And you are not fooling anybody. Not with your names and not with your deceitful rhetoric.
Ah, another conspiracy nut. You must be a Republican or Teapublican. It must suck going through life believing your government and everybody else is out to get you. Lets just hope you stay on your meds and budgeted enough for tinfoil through 2016. And BTW, seeing more than one post from the same city does not necessarily equate to the same individual. Given you're coming to us supposedly from Winona, MN, I'd say your a Camden TDS Net subscriber using a VPN to mask your porn surfing activities. And BTW, what's wrong with single payer? Try taking Medicare away from a senior or Tricare away from a military retiree. You'll get an earful.
Tom

Kingsland, GA

#20 Aug 29, 2013
Kim wrote:
Don't any of you naysayers think it's even a little bit strange that Massachusetts has had essentially Obamacare for over 7 years now and loves it? I mean if it stunk, really stunk, they've sure had more than enough time since Republican Governor Romney put it in place to put up a stink and abolish it once and for all. And yet they've not done so. In fact, it's never even been considered.
But what they have done is amend it 3 times to further improve it. This healthcare reform was all done under the umbrella of individuals taking "personal responsibility" which Republicans say they support, but you sure wouldn't know it.
For me, given the success of this reform in Massachusetts, I say give the ACA a fair shake after a few years of it being off and running, then we'll see. But Republican Governors and Republican quacks like Spencer trying to obstruct the reform almost before its begun is not a fair shake and certainly not helpful to Georgians or the country and voters know it.
Pork and high cost, is that strange?
Kim

Kingsland, GA

#21 Aug 30, 2013
Tom wrote:
<quoted text>Pork and high cost, is that strange?
Try some fact for a change, Tom. The is no "pork" or "high cost" as you say.

Massachusetts healthcare field is full - full - of companies competing for business year after year. That has brought down the cost of coverage for everyone. Their rates are lower now than 7-years ago and hundreds of millions in rebates have been returned to policy holders when plans don't spend the requisite amount annually. That's why their version of the ACA/Obamacare has never been abolished. And that will be the same reason the nationwide ACA/Obamacare won't be either. Grow up and quit thinking only about your Republican/Teapublican Party's crazy half and think about what's good for all citizens in this great nation for a change. Maybe that would actually help your party grow rather than shrink. Think about that why don't you.
Tom

Kingsland, GA

#22 Aug 30, 2013
Anonymous wrote:
As Republicans plot and scheme to shutdown our government over Obamacare funding this fall, let's review where the healthcare mandate idea came from: Republicans.
"The controversial individual mandate that was upheld Thursday by the U.S. Supreme Court stems back more than 20 years, believed to have originated with a prominent conservative think tank.
The mandate, requiring every American to purchase health insurance, appeared in a 1989 published proposal by Stuart M. Butler of the conservative Heritage Foundation called "Assuring Affordable Health Care for All Americans," which included a provision to "mandate all households to obtain adequate insurance."
The Heritage Foundation "substantially revised" its proposal four years later, according to a 1994 analysis by the Congressional Budget Office. But the idea of an individual health insurance mandate later appeared in two bills introduced by Republican lawmakers in 1993, according to the non-partisan research group ProCon.org . Among the supporters of the bills were senators Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, and Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, who today oppose the mandate under current law.
In 2006, Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney, who was then governor of Massachusetts, signed off on a law requiring individuals of the state to purchase health insurance. American Bridge 21st Century, a Democratic opposition research group, on Wednesday released a 2006 video in which Romney says he is “very pleased” with the mandate.
“With regards to the individual mandate, the individual responsibility program that I proposed, I was very pleased that the compromise between the two houses includes the personal responsibility mandate. That is essential for bringing the health care costs down for everyone and getting everyone the health insurance they need," Romney says in the video.
In 2007, a bi-partisan Senate bill authored by Senators Bob Bennett, R-Utah, and Ron Wyden, D-Oregon, contained a mandate. In 2009, however, Republican senators declared such a provision “unconstitutional.”
And when did President Obama take office, oh yea, 2009, the same year Republicans decided if Democrats like something they need to oppose it.
The message here: You can't trust Republicans to govern or do the right thing for our families. Vote D.
If every American purchased healthcare, we would not be where we are.
Tom

Kingsland, GA

#23 Aug 30, 2013
[QUOTE who="Anonymous"
The mandate, requiring every American to purchase health insurance, appeared in a 1989 published proposal by Stuart M. Butler of the conservative Heritage Foundation called "Assuring Affordable Health Care for All Americans," which included a provision to "mandate all households to obtain adequate insurance."
[/QUOTE]I really don't think they can force me to do that.

“Commander & Chef”

Since: Sep 11

Saint Marys, GA

#24 Aug 30, 2013
Tom wrote:
<quoted text>If every American purchased healthcare, we would not be where we are.
Why do you feel the need to COMPEL people to purchase health care insurance of your choosing?

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