Camden Needs a deep water port

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party animal

Saint Marys, GA

#1 Jan 17, 2013
Jobs that pay well, stabilize the housing market, bring businesses to the area.
party animal

Saint Marys, GA

#2 Jan 17, 2013
Will not get any help from the State. We will not need any grant money this can be done with private money. We will not need help from Camden Partnership.
miami

Saint Marys, GA

#3 Jan 17, 2013
party animal wrote:
Will not get any help from the State. We will not need any grant money this can be done with private money. We will not need help from Camden Partnership.
all thy want are tourist what a joke this is not sea world.
big dog

Herndon, PA

#4 Jan 18, 2013
You won't give up on this worthless cause. I bet your IQ is under 80.
Train Watcher

Saint Marys, GA

#5 Jan 20, 2013
It is about time to get some real jobs in Camden. A deep water port would do that for the area. After all it is our best asset.
watch snatcher

Saint Marys, GA

#6 Jan 20, 2013
I need a bj
longshoreman

Herndon, PA

#7 Jan 20, 2013
Train Watcher wrote:
It is about time to get some real jobs in Camden. A deep water port would do that for the area. After all it is our best asset.
Check out the depths in the St. Marys River. It would require constant maintenance dredging.

Check out the land mass at Point Peter. They call it Point Peter because it's a "point".

Check out the North River. It's too winding and shallow. The EPA/EPD would never permit cutting through the marsh to create a straight shot to the old mill site from the St. Marys River. The North River is so narrow along the former mill property that literally hundreds of acres of marshland would have to be dredged to create deep water wide enough for transit of ships and a ship turning basin.

And finally, the Navy would frown at the 90 degree turn required it the mouth of the St. Marys River and the potential of ship groundings which would close off the submarine channel.

All these things have been looked at and considered.

You may continue to smoke your idea, but it will NEVER become more than a pipe dream.

There is no area suitable for development of a port in these areas.
Train Watcher

Saint Marys, GA

#8 Jan 20, 2013
longshoreman wrote:
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Check out the depths in the St. Marys River. It would require constant maintenance dredging.
Check out the land mass at Point Peter. They call it Point Peter because it's a "point".
Check out the North River. It's too winding and shallow. The EPA/EPD would never permit cutting through the marsh to create a straight shot to the old mill site from the St. Marys River. The North River is so narrow along the former mill property that literally hundreds of acres of marshland would have to be dredged to create deep water wide enough for transit of ships and a ship turning basin.
And finally, the Navy would frown at the 90 degree turn required it the mouth of the St. Marys River and the potential of ship groundings which would close off the submarine channel.
All these things have been looked at and considered.
You may continue to smoke your idea, but it will NEVER become more than a pipe dream.
There is no area suitable for development of a port in these areas.
Before you start look who makes the 90 degree turn it is the subs from the ocean to the dock on Point Peter it is a straight shot the only dredging required is in front of point peter the rest is done by the Navy. On the other hand Fernandina's port is a 90 degree turn to the left if the Navy was going to get up set it would be with Fernandina not St. Marys go to the Charts and look.
longshoreman

Herndon, PA

#9 Jan 20, 2013
Would you please look at what you wrote:

"Before you start look who makes the 90 degree turn it is the subs from the ocean to the dock on Point Peter...."

Does this make sense to ANYONE? How can I respond to such jibberish? "...subs from the ocean to the dock on Point Peter..."? Huh?

Your first sentence is really three sentences, but none make sense.

Regarding your second sentence, which is actually two sentences: The turn at the West end of Cumberland Sound into the ICW South is entirely different from the turn from the submarine channel into the St. Marys River. The ships turn out of a deep, wide sound into the funnel at the entrance to the ICW South.
The required turn from the submarine channel into the St. Marys river has no margin for error. And if a grounding occurs, no submarines can transit until the ship is freed from the grounding.

My comment on Point Peter being a point refers to the fact that the "point" is so narrow that very limited Portal Cranes or Container Cranes could service the ships. You must have sufficient high land along the riverfront to operate numerous cranes on tracks simultaneously.

I'm beginning to wonder if your thought process is as mixed up as your writing. On second thought, your mixed up writing is probably a result of your mixed up thought process.

I know the charts very well. But I also navigate the waters regularly.

Really

Saint Marys, GA

#10 Jan 20, 2013
longshoreman wrote:
Would you please look at what you wrote:
"Before you start look who makes the 90 degree turn it is the subs from the ocean to the dock on Point Peter...."
Does this make sense to ANYONE? How can I respond to such jibberish? "...subs from the ocean to the dock on Point Peter..."? Huh?
Your first sentence is really three sentences, but none make sense.
Regarding your second sentence, which is actually two sentences: The turn at the West end of Cumberland Sound into the ICW South is entirely different from the turn from the submarine channel into the St. Marys River. The ships turn out of a deep, wide sound into the funnel at the entrance to the ICW South.
The required turn from the submarine channel into the St. Marys river has no margin for error. And if a grounding occurs, no submarines can transit until the ship is freed from the grounding.
My comment on Point Peter being a point refers to the fact that the "point" is so narrow that very limited Portal Cranes or Container Cranes could service the ships. You must have sufficient high land along the riverfront to operate numerous cranes on tracks simultaneously.
I'm beginning to wonder if your thought process is as mixed up as your writing. On second thought, your mixed up writing is probably a result of your mixed up thought process.
I know the charts very well. But I also navigate the waters regularly.
I think you both are wrong. Navy makes a 90 degree turn north on the ICW to Kings Bay. Fernandina makes a 90 degree turn to the South on the ICW. Point Peter is a straight shot from the Ocean. Point Peter has 1,100 acres of high land. from mouth of Point Peter Creek to the Mouth of North River is 2 miles long wharf I would say.
longshoreman

Herndon, PA

#11 Jan 20, 2013
Really wrote:
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I think you both are wrong. Navy makes a 90 degree turn north on the ICW to Kings Bay. Fernandina makes a 90 degree turn to the South on the ICW. Point Peter is a straight shot from the Ocean. Point Peter has 1,100 acres of high land. from mouth of Point Peter Creek to the Mouth of North River is 2 miles long wharf I would say.
95% of the waterfront acreage you mentioned is wetlands/marshland.

A port on St. Marys River or North River will never happen. Bookmarkit.
Jiggermast

Saint Marys, GA

#12 Jan 21, 2013
I would think the port would fit nicely with the Tech College to create jobs in the area. Question is will Chicago Bridge and Iron do the dredge work ?
A caluminator

Calhoun City, MS

#13 Jan 21, 2013
I understand that the City Government is working on this project. They are flooding the river with well water to rase the water level so cruse ships will dock there an at the buoys at the waterfront.
Cartel Member

Kingsland, GA

#14 Jan 21, 2013
We already got a $1,500,000.00 dog poop park being managed by the City Council and thier special committee.

That is what hope is all about.
Door Stop

Saint Marys, GA

#15 Jan 21, 2013
We are not under any illusion that we can make it here. Most have given up and getting out of this place.
Property value

Saint Marys, GA

#16 Jan 22, 2013
With 70% of the businesses closed one would think that 20 years to come anywhere near a recovery. So how can you value a commercial lot for much more than $10,000.00 dollars for taxes. Hwy 40 from Point Peter Road on down to water front less than 3,000 cars a day
Property value

Saint Marys, GA

#17 Jan 22, 2013
Anyone got an idea better than the deep water port lets hear about it.

train tracks will be taken up next not needed passed the bag plant.
Property value

Saint Marys, GA

#18 Jan 22, 2013
Once the Rail Road tacks are removed the city from the bag plant down is over.
miami

Saint Marys, GA

#19 Jan 22, 2013
Property value wrote:
Once the Rail Road tacks are removed the city from the bag plant down is over.
deep water port will not work .and i hope the train tracks do come up. for one it would be over 27 million to dreg the mouth of north river and there are in dangerd birds nesting on the mill property. shut it all down.
Winner

Saint Marys, GA

#20 Jan 23, 2013
miami wrote:
<quoted text>deep water port will not work .and i hope the train tracks do come up. for one it would be over 27 million to dreg the mouth of north river and there are in dangerd birds nesting on the mill property. shut it all down.
What would cost more money Rail Road Tracks (tressel) across North River and put the port on Point Peter or just dredge out North River ?

Do not say it can't be accomplished because it can. 22 twenty two miles up the Savannah River so far and wanting to go another 10 miles more. Over in New Orleans they crossed lake Pontchartrain with a tressel and a bridge for cars ( I-10).

If you are correct in $27 Million it would be a small price for a port.

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