Why stronger gun safety laws are necessary

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Below are some quotes from speakers at the Georgia Capital today who rallied with about 200 Second Amendment supporter, many of which were fully armed, apparently so they could hear better.

Examples such as these further cement the real need for improved gun safety laws in our great country. Support politicians who will work towards those ends. Thank you.

"One speaker, former gubernatorial candidate Ray McBerry, warned the crowd that “the foreign-born Marxist in the White House and his Marxist attorney general” were using “staged crisis events — yes, I said staged crisis events” to justify confiscation of their weapons. That got a loud cheer and applause.

According to McBerry, the Obama administration is using these “staged crisis events” in exactly the same way that Adolph Hitler used the Reichstag fire, as an excuse to impose complete tyranny on the American people. The national socialist government in Washington is following the blueprint to power that the national socialist government in Germany followed, he said, reeling off a string of comparisons that would be uncanny if true.
That too drew strong applause."

"McBerry was followed by Bill Looman, who told the crowd that he would be self-editing his own comments about Obama, and might not be saying all the things he really thought. It seems that Looman’s past comments about the president on Facebook and other forums, as well as his ties to the North Georgia militia, made the Secret Service nervous and convinced them that it was necessary to visit Looman in person. Just to talk things over, all friendly like.

Like McBerry, Looman talked of the necessity of firearms to fend off what he believes to be impending tyranny. He also mentioned his work with Oathkeepers, an organization of former and current members of the military, law enforcement and other agencies who have sworn never to follow government orders to force Americans into concentration camps, or to go house to house to confiscate firearms, or to blockade entire American cities, as the British did to Boston.

You know, just in case such orders should ever be issued."

The whole article and comments can be read here: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/02...
Really

Saint Marys, GA

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Do you ever get tired of pushing your agenda. Criminals don't follow laws.
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Gun Control Statement by Sheriff Proctor

Amendment II A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

My life is informed by my own personal experience, by the values passed on to me by my family and community and by my beliefs as a Christian and an American citizen. I was only recently seated as your Sheriff but I bring to the office some closely held and deeply seated values that guide the decisions I make. I believe we do indeed possess certain inalienable rights that shall not be infringed upon. Among those is the right to keep and bear arms. Arms to provide for the common defense, arms to hunt and put meat on the table, arms to protect our homes and families. If these rights are not indeed rights but mere words to be trampled upon and ignored at will, where do we stand?

I grew up in Woodbine and my law enforcement career began in 1988. During that time I held many positions including working in the jail, patrolling the streets and as Jail Administrator. I also served on the Woodbine City Council and the Camden County Board of Commissioners. I have seen guns used by violent men to commit all manner of crime. In each incident it was the intent of the perpetrator or their inability to adequately reason that was the core issue. The guns committed no crimes and as our own history certainly attests one does not require a firearm to commit an atrocity. I have enough experience to say with absolute confidence that firearms are not the problem and infringing upon our right to keep and bear them is not the solution.

Our system of government relies on voluntary compliance to the laws of the land. Without that compliance, when citizens feel they have been pushed too far and that their legal rights have been too infringed upon, the voluntary compliance will cease. We will then be left on the precipice of chaos, of open defiance, of armed rebellion.

It is the responsibility of our Law Enforcement, Judicial and Health Care systems to provide solutions. With proactive, engaged law enforcement, with tough laws that keep offenders locked up away from their potential victims and with a well-funded health and social services system that does not let those who need help (our jails are full of mental health patients who have no where else to go) fall though the cracks we could greatly reduce the incidents of gun violence. Again, firearms are not the problem and infringing upon our right to keep and bear them is not the solution.

As a father, a citizen and as your Sheriff I believe there are enough laws on the books to effectively deal with the unlawful possession and use of firearms by any kind of perpetrator. I will back any legislation that mandates a consistent, swift and appropriate penalty for any illegal possession or use of a gun. I cannot, and will not support, aid nor condone any effort or legislation that will infringe upon the right of law abiding citizens to bear arms. I took a sacred oath to support and defend our Constitution and defend it I will because the Constitution is the bedrock upon which we all stand. When we continually chip away at it inevitably we will all surely fall. My allegiance is to the Constitution and the rights it guarantees and not to the political expediency or whims of the current crop of elected officials. I will aggressively oppose any federal or state legislation which infringes upon law abiding citizens’ right to bear arms

I understand that some citizens of the county will disagree and perhaps vehemently. I also believe that is their right and demonstrates our shared values. It is my intent to provide clarity, to act on my beliefs and to be the Sheriff you elected me to be.

This statement will also be sent to all state and federal elected officials representing Camden County.
Anon

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That's a fine, well written letter from our sheriff, if true.

However, here's the deal with our, or any, sheriff or their officers.

Take for example fully-automatic machine guns. They've been outlawed for years and all law enforcement officials know it. Whenever they run across one, it's confiscated and the owner, if identifiable, arrested. Period. Those weapons are illegal and private ownership is illegal, Second Amendment rights NOT withstanding. Ditto for many other types of weapons that are illegal for U.S. citizens to own.

Consequently, in the future, should the State of Georgia or the Federal Government rule weapon ABC as illegal for private ownership as of such and such date, our sheriff, or any sheriff, or their officers, will follow the law they are sworn to uphold and confiscate that weapon when discovered. Period. It's the law. They will not hem and haw and ponder all the legal aspects and maneuvers undertaken prior to that law being enacted, they will follow the law.

That said, they are, as we all are, free to speak their personal opinion(s) about any law, new or old, as the sheriff has purportedly done above, BUT they remain duty bound and sworn to uphold the law.

That's how it works in this country. So for all you gun nuts who believe our sheriff or his officers will not enforce ALL the laws of this great state or nation, you're seriously mistaken.
Anon

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Feb 10, 2013
 
You can still buy automatic weapons legally today! It is just a different method and more money.
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Anon wrote:
Take for example fully-automatic machine guns. They've been outlawed for years and all law enforcement officials know it. Whenever they run across one, it's confiscated and the owner, if identifiable, arrested. Period. Those weapons are illegal and private ownership is illegal, Second Amendment rights NOT withstanding. Ditto for many other types of weapons that are illegal for U.S. citizens to own.
Not true. I can go out right now and legally buy one.

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Anon wrote:
That's a fine, well written letter from our sheriff, if true.
However, here's the deal with our, or any, sheriff or their officers.
Take for example fully-automatic machine guns. They've been outlawed for years and all law enforcement officials know it. Whenever they run across one, it's confiscated and the owner, if identifiable, arrested. Period. Those weapons are illegal and private ownership is illegal, Second Amendment rights NOT withstanding. Ditto for many other types of weapons that are illegal for U.S. citizens to own.
Consequently, in the future, should the State of Georgia or the Federal Government rule weapon ABC as illegal for private ownership as of such and such date, our sheriff, or any sheriff, or their officers, will follow the law they are sworn to uphold and confiscate that weapon when discovered. Period. It's the law. They will not hem and haw and ponder all the legal aspects and maneuvers undertaken prior to that law being enacted, they will follow the law.
That said, they are, as we all are, free to speak their personal opinion(s) about any law, new or old, as the sheriff has purportedly done above, BUT they remain duty bound and sworn to uphold the law.
That's how it works in this country. So for all you gun nuts who believe our sheriff or his officers will not enforce ALL the laws of this great state or nation, you're seriously mistaken.
No, I don't think so. The Florida Sheriif's Association has gone on record as refusing to do so. Heard that on the radio just recently. I believe their counterparts in several other states have done the same.

Some Americans take protecting and defending the Constitution seriously. My guess is you are not one of us.
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Moreno Jay wrote:
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No, I don't think so. The Florida Sheriif's Association has gone on record as refusing to do so. Heard that on the radio just recently. I believe their counterparts in several other states have done the same.
Some Americans take protecting and defending the Constitution seriously. My guess is you are not one of us.
I've heard you were nuts, but this just proves it.

You're saying every small town cop and county sheriff gets to interpret the meaning of the U.S. Constitution and only enforce laws they think passes muster. Really, really? Can you be that far off your rocker? Ask our Police Chief or the Sheriff next time you see them if they "selectively" enforce laws.

Grow up. We're a far better country than that.

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Yes, we are a far better country than you and your ilk believe. Try to take our weapons and you will find out just how much better.

Ask your sheriif and police chief if they have ever before been asked to knowingly and flagrantly violate the constitutional rights of citizens under the color of law?

Not off my rocker. Just far better educated and more patriotic than you.
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Moreno Jay wrote:
Yes, we are a far better country than you and your ilk believe. Try to take our weapons and you will find out just how much better.
Ask your sheriif and police chief if they have ever before been asked to knowingly and flagrantly violate the constitutional rights of citizens under the color of law?
Not off my rocker. Just far better educated and more patriotic than you.
Violate the 4th amendment daily.
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Everytime you go through a " safety check" road block your rights are being violated. Our constitutional rights have been eroded by the exact Sheriffs you are praising. These thugs want nothing more than to have a police state in which you are watched closely. This BS about protecting the 2nd amendment is pure hogwash. Those rights have been taken away starting in the 50s and continue unchecked today. Ask your local sheriff to allow you to buy a full auto. It is legal and you are fully allowed to own one. But your sheriff will not allow it.
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Moreno Jay wrote:
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No, I don't think so. The Florida Sheriif's Association has gone on record as refusing to do so. Heard that on the radio just recently. I believe their counterparts in several other states have done the same.
Some Americans take protecting and defending the Constitution seriously. My guess is you are not one of us.
There is nothing unconstitutional about the proposed gun sales regulations.
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There is nothing unconstitutional about the proposed gun sales regulations.
That is why all the talk about the sheriffs who will violate federal law to uphold the constitution is just so much BS.
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Moreno Jay wrote:
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No, I don't think so. The Florida Sheriif's Association has gone on record as refusing to do so. Heard that on the radio just recently. I believe their counterparts in several other states have done the same.
Some Americans take protecting and defending the Constitution seriously. My guess is you are not one of us.
The Florida Sheriffs Association has said that they will refuse to violate the constitution, but they never said that they will not follow the law. They enforce gun regulations presently on the books and they will enforce any future regulations. When and if federal gun regulations change, you will follow them or risk prosecution. Those are the simple facts and your phony pseudo-macho defiance will not change them.

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Jimmy wrote:
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That is why all the talk about the sheriffs who will violate federal law to uphold the constitution is just so much BS.
Your comment does not make sense to me because you did not state what federal law would be violated.

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Moreno Jay wrote:
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No, I don't think so. The Florida Sheriif's Association has gone on record as refusing to do so.
To do so, what? Just so I will understand your reference.

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Many people comment on severl things in a thread and when there is a response it is sometimes confusing.
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Feb 12, 2013
 
Political Traveler wrote:
Many people comment on severl things in a thread and when there is a response it is sometimes confusing.
I note your evident confusion.

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