FLASHBACK: Where did Saddam’s WMD go?...

FLASHBACK: Where did Saddam’s WMD go? To Syria …

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“Commander & Chef”

Since: Sep 11

Saint Marys, GA

#1 Aug 26, 2013
http://www.worldtribune.com/2012/12/07/flashb...

(Originally posted on Aug. 26, 2003.)

[Related story: Hillary Clinton warns of U.S.‘action’ if Syria crosses ‘red line’ with chemical weapons]

U.S. intelligence suspects Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction have finally been located.

Unfortunately, getting to them will be nearly impossible for the United States and its allies, because the containers with the strategic materials are not in Iraq.

http://www.worldtribune.com/wp-content/upload...
(Satellite photo of hundreds of trucks systematically leaving an Iraqi weapons dump, early 2003.)

Instead they are located in Lebanon’s heavily-fortified Bekaa Valley, swarming with Iranian and Syrian forces, and Hizbullah and ex-Iraqi agents, Geostrategy-Direct.com will report in Wednesday’s (Sept. 2, 2003) weekly edition.

U.S. intelligence first identified a stream of tractor-trailer trucks moving from Iraq to Syria to Lebanon in January 2003. The significance of this sighting did not register on the CIA at the time.

U.S. intelligence sources believe the area contains extended-range Scud-based missiles and parts for chemical and biological warheads.

Mutually-lucrative Iraqi-Syrian arms transactions are nothing new. Firas Tlas, son of Syrian Defense Minister Mustafa Tlas, has been the key to Syria’s rogue alliance with Iraq. He and Assad made hundreds of millions of dollars selling weapons, oil and drugs to and from Iraq, according to the May 13, 2003 edition of Geostrategy-Direct.com .

The CIA now believes a multi-million dollar deal between Iraq and Syria provided for the hiding and safekeeping of Saddam’s strategic weapons.

Not surprisingly, U.S. inquiries in Beirut and Syria are being met with little substantive response, U.S. officials said.

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The original of the photo made the Morning Intelligence Brief prior to it being released to the public.
CheersforKyle

Apopka, FL

#2 Aug 26, 2013
We all sat in our living rooms and watched the trucks leave Iraq taking them to Syria. Don't know why people are so surprised now.

Since: Jan 13

Camden County, GA

#3 Aug 26, 2013
I thought this point of Iraq possessing no WMDs was settled a couple days ago on another post. Apparently not. That's despite President Bush's own Commission on WMDs concluded, "the Intelligence Community was dead wrong in almost all of it's pre-war judgements about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction." Here is the link: http://zfacts.com/sites/all/files/doc/war/200...

So LonePalm, et al., please stop trying to rewrite history. Please stop presuming you know more than Ex-President Bush and his WMD Commission. Our country cannot learn from it's mistakes - and this was a whopper - if a portion of the population trys to cover it up and pretend it was not a mistake.

Moving on, the truth all Americans adults in 2002 knew, heard and remember well is Bush saying Iraq was trying and perhaps already had nuclear weapons. We attacked to find and destroy those facilities, any stockpiles, and round up the scientists involved with Iraq's nuclear weapons program. We did NOT attack because of chemical or biological weapons. To say so is to dishonor all those who fought with a revisionist history of the war.

Here is a good synopsis from CNN after the Iraq Study Group released it's 1,500 to 1,700 page report of findings about the war. For those short one time, it says, "Saddam decided to give up his weapons in 1991, but tried to conceal his nuclear and biological programs for as long as possible. Then in 1995, when his son-in-law Hussain Kamal defected with information about the programs, he gave those up, too." Here is the link: http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/10/06/ira...

Other things Republicans got wrong and/or blatantly lied about Iraq include these (and others):

10/11/2000, George W. Bush, Candidate for President
"I don't think our troops ought to be used for what's called nation building."

10/7/2002, George W. Bush, President
"The Iraqi regime ... possesses and produces chemical and biological weapons. It is seeking nuclear weapons. We know that the regime has produced thousands of tons of chemical agents, including mustard gas, sarin nerve gas, VX nerve gas."

1/15/2002, Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of Defense"Five days or five months, but it certainly isn't going to last longer."

01/10/2003, Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of Defense"... something under $50 billion for the cost. How much of that would be the U.S. burden, and how much would be other countries, is an open question.”

02/08/2003, George W. Bush, President"We also know that Iraq is harboring a terrorist network headed by a senior al Qaeda terrorist planner. This network runs a poison and explosive training camp in northeast Iraq, and many of its leaders are known to be in Baghdad."

03/16/2003, Dick Cheney, Vice President"My belief is we will, in fact, be greeted as liberators.... I think it will go relatively quickly,...[in] weeks rather than months."

03/30/2003, Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of Defense"We know where they are [Iraq's weapons of mass destruction]. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat."

05/01/2003, George W. Bush, President"My fellow Americans: Major combat operations in Iraq have ended." Under the banner "Mission Accomplished."

Finally, I'll leave you with these two key failures:

09/17/2003, George W. Bush, President
Q: Mr. President, Dr. Rice and Secretary Rumsfeld both said yesterday that they have seen no evidence that Iraq had anything to do with September 11th. THE PRESIDENT: "We've had no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved with the September 11th."

03/31/2005, President's Commission on WMD
We conclude that the Intelligence Community was dead wrong in almost all of its pre-war judgments about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction.—Commission on the Intelligence Capabilities of the United States Regarding Weapons of Mass Destruction. Link here: http://zfacts.com/sites/all/files/doc/war/200...

“Commander & Chef”

Since: Sep 11

Saint Marys, GA

#4 Aug 26, 2013
I am not the one trying to rewrite history. It was and is the liberals with their "No WMDs. Bush lied, people died."

Exactly what is it that is wrong with this statement you quoted above?

10/7/2002, George W. Bush, President
"The Iraqi regime ... possesses and produces chemical and biological weapons. It is seeking nuclear weapons. We know that the regime has produced thousands of tons of chemical agents, including mustard gas, sarin nerve gas, VX nerve gas."

It was EXACTLY correct. We had every right to go back into Iraq whether Iraq had WMDs or not. Saddam Hussein was in violation of the armistice he signed at the end of the first Gulf War.
anon

Kingsland, GA

#5 Aug 26, 2013
LonePalm wrote:
I am not the one trying to rewrite history. It was and is the liberals with their "No WMDs. Bush lied, people died."
Exactly what is it that is wrong with this statement you quoted above?
10/7/2002, George W. Bush, President
"The Iraqi regime ... possesses and produces chemical and biological weapons. It is seeking nuclear weapons. We know that the regime has produced thousands of tons of chemical agents, including mustard gas, sarin nerve gas, VX nerve gas."
It was EXACTLY correct. We had every right to go back into Iraq whether Iraq had WMDs or not. Saddam Hussein was in violation of the armistice he signed at the end of the first Gulf War.
usually the ones yelling loudest for war didn't go, lets see: so lonepalm, did you go to serve in the first gulf war (1991) or the second gulf war (2003-2011)? or did you ever serve your country in uniform?
The Dude

Oxford, GA

#6 Aug 26, 2013
No no, LP told us all about his military prowess a long time ago. Keep up anon. But since he asked LP, where did you see combat?

“Commander & Chef”

Since: Sep 11

Saint Marys, GA

#7 Aug 26, 2013
anon wrote:
<quoted text>
usually the ones yelling loudest for war didn't go, lets see: so lonepalm, did you go to serve in the first gulf war (1991) or the second gulf war (2003-2011)? or did you ever serve your country in uniform?
I was commissioned in the Navy in 1978. As a reservist, I was called to active duty to NavOpIntCen, Suitland, MD. I backstopped a LCDR who was gone to Bahrain the first morning. Lest you complain, that WAS my duty station. I was qualified Intelligence watch officer. I was usually deputy to a Captain on watch. Sometimes I did the morning brief.

How about yourself?

“Commander & Chef”

Since: Sep 11

Saint Marys, GA

#8 Aug 26, 2013
BTW - Nice try at changing the subject.

The fact remain, neither Bush nor the Republicans and Democrats that warned us about Saddam's WMDs lied about it.
Simplistic dolt

Brunswick, GA

#9 Aug 26, 2013
LonePalm wrote:
I am not the one trying to rewrite history. It was and is the liberals with their "No WMDs. Bush lied, people died."
Exactly what is it that is wrong with this statement you quoted above?
10/7/2002, George W. Bush, President
"The Iraqi regime ... possesses and produces chemical and biological weapons. It is seeking nuclear weapons. We know that the regime has produced thousands of tons of chemical agents, including mustard gas, sarin nerve gas, VX nerve gas."
It was EXACTLY correct. We had every right to go back into Iraq whether Iraq had WMDs or not. Saddam Hussein was in violation of the armistice he signed at the end of the first Gulf War.
I find the argument over WMD's in Iraq tiresome. As someone who agrees with Clausewitz that war is simply an extension of policy by other means, what have we accomplished? Prior to our military intervention, we had an autocratic regime in Iraq that was a threat to Iran. Now we have a regime in Iraq that is a client state of Iran. We've destabilized the region for a generation, and have lost most of our influence in the Muslim world.
Jack

Kingsland, GA

#10 Aug 27, 2013
Depite LonePalm's assertion, the Iraq Study Group's exhaustive report remains the premier post-invasion study of Iraq's WMD Programs. Bottom line: There weren't any WMD's. What we were told was there did not exist. Period. Spin it any way you want, but exactly what was found was nothing.

My personal opinion is Bush Jr. wanted to be a war president like his daddy. And that meshed fine with Dickhead Cheney's Halliburton's thirst for oil. In the end, Republicans botched it all.

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