Old Tyme

United States

#21 Nov 16, 2012
whateva wrote:
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There is no negotiating here. The author of the article cited a blog on the interweb saying there was interest and the JDA immediately strokes a fat check.
The city is broke. Where did the money come from?
The county did not vote for Deal. Deal dislikes our representative.
whateva

Kawasaki, Japan

#22 Nov 16, 2012
Jon Corzine wrote:
<quoted text>Golden Sachs Group, Inc. NYSE is an American Multinational investment banking firm that engages in global investment banking, securities, investment management, and other financial services primarily with institutional clients. Founded in 1869 and is headquartered at 200 West Street in the lower Manhattan area of New York City. Short selling sub prime mortgage bonds in the summer of 2007.

I think what has happened in St Marys could be a case to our dilemma.
Are you serious? G O L D M A N. S A C H S. Goldman. Man. Get it? By the way, you slaughtered your citation from Wikipedia.
whateva

Kawasaki, Japan

#23 Nov 16, 2012
Jon Corzine wrote:
<quoted text>Golden Sachs Group, Inc. NYSE is an American Multinational investment banking firm that engages in global investment banking, securities, investment management, and other financial services primarily with institutional clients. Founded in 1869 and is headquartered at 200 West Street in the lower Manhattan area of New York City. Short selling sub prime mortgage bonds in the summer of 2007.

I think what has happened in St Marys could be a case to our dilemma.
On a similar but separate note, Jon Corzine is a criminal. Point well taken.

“Make St. Marys great again! ”

Since: Oct 10

St. Marys, GA

#24 Nov 16, 2012
whateva wrote:
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Who da faq is Golden Sach?
Goldfinger's cousin.
anon

United States

#25 Nov 17, 2012
bout the closest thing to a space port that will happen in Camdumb county is when all the necks get togeter and set off bottle rockets on July 4th
Anon

Knoxville, TN

#26 Nov 19, 2012
There is no more hope for a spaceport at Harriet's Bluff than there was for Drury's Dream or the space needle at the paper mill site. While we get all excited about impossible dreams, the small businesses that we used to depend on are closing. Our politicians should stop "ideating" about things that will never happen and get serious and practical about supporting real business and regrowth.
Simplistic dolt

Cumming, GA

#27 Nov 19, 2012
I been ideating on this, and depending on how things are structured, it just might work. Acquiring the land shouldn't be too hard. Right now it's a huge unknown liability on Union Carbide's books. As a former industrial site, they are on the hook for enviornmental remediation, and how much that could cost is anybody's guess. 100's of millions, possibly more if the state EPA played hardball with them. They'd be eager to transfer title and liability to the JDA for $1 and other good and worthy consideration. The question we need to know as taxpayers, is what kind of hazards are on the site,'cuz it will become our problem then.

Cecil Field is right down the coast, but it will only have horizontal launch facilities. We'll have horizontal and vertical, so it's not a matter of us competing with them, they'll need to compete with us. I have questions about the operational tempo of the vertical launches, and other impacts down range.

From what I can tell, they are only talking about the Union Carbide property right now, but the Bayer Crop Sciences tract could probably be acquired on basically the same terms.

There's a few things we need to know, but as a matter of principal I'm strongly in favor of most anything that brings good paying jobs to the area.
on the take

United States

#28 Nov 19, 2012
anon wrote:
bout the closest thing to a space port that will happen in Camdumb county is when all the necks get togeter and set off bottle rockets on July 4th
the so called NECKS need to get the darn yankees out of here we necks could work it all out.
In my opion we were in alot better shape before the yankees got here.Get in your cars hit I95 go back north take all the sailboats with ya.
Anon

Knoxville, TN

#29 Nov 19, 2012
Simplistic dolt wrote:
I been ideating on this, and depending on how things are structured, it just might work. Acquiring the land shouldn't be too hard. Right now it's a huge unknown liability on Union Carbide's books. As a former industrial site, they are on the hook for enviornmental remediation, and how much that could cost is anybody's guess. 100's of millions, possibly more if the state EPA played hardball with them. They'd be eager to transfer title and liability to the JDA for $1 and other good and worthy consideration. The question we need to know as taxpayers, is what kind of hazards are on the site,'cuz it will become our problem then.
Cecil Field is right down the coast, but it will only have horizontal launch facilities. We'll have horizontal and vertical, so it's not a matter of us competing with them, they'll need to compete with us. I have questions about the operational tempo of the vertical launches, and other impacts down range.
From what I can tell, they are only talking about the Union Carbide property right now, but the Bayer Crop Sciences tract could probably be acquired on basically the same terms.
There's a few things we need to know, but as a matter of principal I'm strongly in favor of most anything that brings good paying jobs to the area.
OK, but who is going to pay for the construction of the spaceport facilities?
George

Herndon, PA

#30 Nov 19, 2012
I heard Jay Moreno is going to form a comitee to plan the dining area for the new spaceport and it will feature all you can slurp greasy fried chicken and undercooked white rice.
George

United States

#31 Nov 19, 2012
George wrote:
I heard Jay Moreno is going to form a comitee to plan the dining area for the new spaceport and it will feature all you can slurp greasy fried chicken and undercooked white rice.
Rather or not you agree with me or hate my opinions, please never confuse me with this person. Note: Server location.
Simplistic dolt

Cumming, GA

#32 Nov 19, 2012
Anon wrote:
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OK, but who is going to pay for the construction of the spaceport facilities?
Excellent question. I have no idea, but St. Marys isn't in a position to do it.

Reading the press release the JDA put out, it looks like they are pretty far along with this thing. It said the JDA will lease the airport part of the facility to the St. Marys Airport Authority, so the JDA or some other entity (Georgia Ports Authority maybe?) will operate the spaceport side of things. The devil is in the details, it will be interesting to see what they are.
Anon

Knoxville, TN

#33 Nov 19, 2012
Simplistic dolt wrote:
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Excellent question. I have no idea, but St. Marys isn't in a position to do it.
Reading the press release the JDA put out, it looks like they are pretty far along with this thing. It said the JDA will lease the airport part of the facility to the St. Marys Airport Authority, so the JDA or some other entity (Georgia Ports Authority maybe?) will operate the spaceport side of things. The devil is in the details, it will be interesting to see what they are.
To date, Spaceport America in New Mexico has cost $209 million and they have just gone into limited operation. The facility was designed, constructed and operated by the New Mexico Spaceport Authority. Do you suppose our Joint Development Authority, which can't even successfully sponsor a solar energy company to locate in St. Marys is up to this challenge?
carbide

Kingsland, GA

#34 Nov 19, 2012
there are two landfills out there, one on the Union Carbide site and one on the Bayer site. The old carbide landfill is very close to a creek.

Also a cemetery and the Anchor House tabby ruins
Macula

Saint Marys, GA

#35 Nov 19, 2012
Anon wrote:
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To date, Spaceport America in New Mexico has cost $209 million and they have just gone into limited operation. The facility was designed, constructed and operated by the New Mexico Spaceport Authority. Do you suppose our Joint Development Authority, which can't even successfully sponsor a solar energy company to locate in St. Marys is up to this challenge?
Folks we are in deep shit. No pun intended. Water / Sewage is going to break every business in town before it is over. Between the increase in taxes and the rate increases it is over time to throw in the towel.
Macule

Saint Marys, GA

#36 Nov 19, 2012
No light at the end of the tunnel. No hope, time to run like hell and get out of this place.
Simplistic dolt

Cumming, GA

#37 Nov 19, 2012
Anon wrote:
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To date, Spaceport America in New Mexico has cost $209 million and they have just gone into limited operation. The facility was designed, constructed and operated by the New Mexico Spaceport Authority. Do you suppose our Joint Development Authority, which can't even successfully sponsor a solar energy company to locate in St. Marys is up to this challenge?
Absolutely not. I have reservations about even the limited role of the St. Marys AA in this. That's why I was thinking the GPA, or possibly a seperate Spaceport Authority. There are probably some efficiencies involved with the GPA, but given Deal's penchant for appointing cronies, I suspect it would be a seperate entity. That's the way he rolls.

Another concern is the way the space exploration companies are playing one state against another. Build it and they will come just doesn't cut it anymore. That's hardly news to folks in St. Marys with the debt for a massively overbuilt sewer system staring them in the face.

I'm still at the cautious optimism stage.
Simplistic dolt

Cumming, GA

#38 Nov 19, 2012
carbide wrote:
there are two landfills out there, one on the Union Carbide site and one on the Bayer site. The old carbide landfill is very close to a creek.
Also a cemetery and the Anchor House tabby ruins
Know anything about what's in them? The landfills I mean. Wonder if they need digging up or not. It's mostly Floyds in the cemetery, they can stay right where they are.
Anon

Knoxville, TN

#39 Nov 19, 2012
Simplistic dolt wrote:
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Absolutely not. I have reservations about even the limited role of the St. Marys AA in this. That's why I was thinking the GPA, or possibly a seperate Spaceport Authority. There are probably some efficiencies involved with the GPA, but given Deal's penchant for appointing cronies, I suspect it would be a seperate entity. That's the way he rolls.
Another concern is the way the space exploration companies are playing one state against another. Build it and they will come just doesn't cut it anymore. That's hardly news to folks in St. Marys with the debt for a massively overbuilt sewer system staring them in the face.
I'm still at the cautious optimism stage.
This would be a project way beyond the petty bickering of the Airport Authority. As far as I can see, all of the real spaceports in the US are operated by separate state entities, usually on existing space related NASA facilities that are becoming under utilized. The exception is Spaceport America which was funded by the state of New Mexico but backed by Sir Richard Branson.

It seems that the spaceports are pinning a lot of hope on a rush of people who want to pay big, big bucks for a brief trip into near space. Maybe there are enough foolish millionaires and movie stars to make this venture successful, but I wouldn't pin my hopes on any of them coming to Camden County for their space adventure.
We can't even lure a few tourists off I95 on their way to Disney World.

I'm at the curious, skeptical stage.
Government Consulter

Herndon, PA

#40 Nov 19, 2012
What we need is more frigging Authorities, Boards and Committees in St Marys!!!! OMG!!! There a a few citizens who actually are not on some Committee Board or Authority. Can you believe that?

We must immeditely correct that horrible situation. Lets form some more committess boards and authorites in St Marys and give all of God's little children a chance to be involved in govment.

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