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#1 Aug 2, 2011
BAGHDAD — The top U.S. military officer said Tuesday that American troops must be given immunity from prosecution as part of any agreement to keep them in Iraq beyond the end of the year and that this protection must be approved by Iraq's parliament.
The comments by Joint Chiefs chairman Adm. Mike Mullen could make it more difficult for the troops to stay here.
Mullen and other U.S. officials have been pushing Iraq to decide whether they would want additional American forces to stay in the country past their Dec. 31 departure date, and the immunity issue has been one of the key sticking points.
"An agreement, which would include privileges and immunities for our American men and women in uniform will need to go through the COR," said Mullen, referring to the Council of Representatives as Iraq's parliament is known.
"By making this demand, Mullen is only proving to the world what a rotten, depraved, worthless fuck the American soldier can be. Mullen himself must believe that the "American soldier consist of such low moral fiber that he/she cannot restrain them self from committing the most heinous of atrocities against a foreign people. In the eyes of Mullen it seems, the “American soldier” is such a depraved low life animal that he/she must be protected from the justice of prosecution for the criminal acts they are bound to commit, just by the very nature of the beast. Some of these criminal acts that Mullen and the department of defense want the “American soldier” to receive immunity from prosecution for thus far are! but not limited to, are the alcohol and drug induced murder of innocent men women and children, the torture, rape and defiling of little children, the wanton destruction of private property of innocent civilians.
Yes is seems to me that Mullen would like the “American soldier” to have the privilege of committing these acts and receive immunity from prosecution for committing them.
Were I the leader of the Iraqi people, I would have to tell in no uncertain terms Joint Chiefs chairman Adm. Mike Mullen, to go straight to HELL!! And take your depraved war whore!“American soldier” with you. J.W. Simms.
#2 Aug 2, 2011
In the heat of battle honest mistakes can be made. A piece of bad intelligence and our troops take out the wrong Iraqis and they would be subject to prosecution under Iraqi law, even if they were acting in good faith. We can not allow that to happen. Now if they just riddle an Iraqi with lead because it is fun, thats a different story. I don't believe they should get blanket immunity but a good faith exception makes sense.
Take the Pat Tillman fiasco. Our government lied to the highest levels about what really occurred. And they continued to lie and stonewall right through congressional hearings. That gives the Iraqis and any parent or spouse of an American soldier something to think about. It proves our government can't be trusted to tell the truth to anyone. Hence the Iraqis understandable concerns.
#3 Aug 2, 2011
When I read your post, the first thing that comes to mind is the “you tube video” of a Black hawk helicopter riddling Iraqi civilians with lead just for fun with no repercussions that I’m aware of. The second thing that comes to mind is the private Steven Green and his drunken buddies story of how they raped, killed and burned the bodies of a fourteen year old girl, her little sister and their parent’s and these are in no way isolated incident’s, it happens every day all day long with the “American soldier” in a foreign land. Yes! As you stated, honest mistakes can be made in time of war and unfortunately are! Made, but! the fact of the matter is, there are far more incidents of intentional brutality perpetrated against the civilian population of Iraq than there are honest mistakes of war. These intentional acts of brutality perpetrated against the civilian population of Iraq and Afghanistan are solely for the self gratification of the perverted son of a bitch in a United States Military uniform. Immunity from prosecution? No fucking way!! We would not! put up with this shit in a civilized society and we must Not!! put up with this shit in an uncivilized society such as the United States Military. Let the Iraqi justice system deal with the injustice’s of the “American soldier”
For your information, in my opinion Pat Tillman was nothing more than a Goddamn fool, whose death was not an act of war, but rather an act of revenge killing by his own men. Tillman went into the military playing on his football hero bullshit with a gunghoe attitude of pushing his men around and thinking he would win this war by himself. He was purported to say as he was being gunned down, I’m Pat fucking Tillman!! J.W.Simms was purported to say, no your not! Your dead Pat fucking Tillman!! Please stay tuned there’s more to come. J.W. Simms.
#4 Aug 3, 2011
We had at one time nearly 160,000 troops in Iraq and nearly 140,000 troops in Afghanistan. With those numbers in mind there will be atrocities committed by our troops for sure. However, the number of incidents remains small compared to the number of troops present over there. This proves that a MAJORITY of our troops our dedicated to serving their country in a honorable way. Many have made sacrifices far beyond anything we can ever imagine. Leaving their families behind, wife, children, unborn kids, not knowing whether they will return alive. Or returning to face an uncertain future with the loss of limb or limbs. Our troops deserve your support. They are the reason you can sit there and spew your mind anyway you so desire. Give them a break.
#6 Aug 5, 2011
Joint Base Lewis-Mcchord, Washington (CNN)-- During his court martial Friday, an Army specialist accused of being part of a rogue "kill squad" said he did nothing to stop fellow soldiers as they allegedly murdered an unarmed Afghan man in front of him.
At the opening of his court martial for allegedly killing civilians in Afghanistan, Army Specialist Adam Winfield pleaded guilty to manslaughter and use of an illegal controlled substance.
Winfield is one of six soldiers who, while on assignment in Afghanistan, are accused of participating in illegal killings of civilians and covered up the alleged crimes by making it appear as if they were insurgents. An additional six soldiers are accused with lesser crimes in the case, including helping to cover up the killings.
Winfield originally faced five charges including murdering three Afghan civilians. If convicted, Winfield would have faced a potential life sentence in a military prison.
As part of a plea agreement with prosecutors, Winfield agreed to testify against other soldiers in the case. During his testimony Friday, Winfield told the military court that he was afraid of his Staff Sergeant.
He said Sgt. Calvin Gibbs concocted "scenarios" where the men would select Afghan civilians to murder and then place weapons on them so they would appear to be insurgents who had attacked U.S. forces first.
During a May 2010 mission to a village called Qualaday, Winfield testified that Sgt. Gibbs pointed to an unarmed Afghan man.
"Is this the guy?" Winfield testified Gibbs asked him and Pvt. Jeremy Morlock.
"I had an idea that Sgt. Gibbs was looking for a kill," Winfield testified.
The soldiers killed the man by throwing a grenade at his feet and shooting him. They later claimed the Afghan man had thrown the grenade at them.
Winfield said Friday he fired his automatic weapon away from the man as to pretend to have taken part in the alleged murder. But he admitted he did nothing to keep his fellow soldiers from carrying out the alleged execution of an unarmed civilian.
"I didn't say no, I didn't object to it," Winfield told the court.
Winfield said Sgt. Gibbs was concerned he would talk about the alleged murders and threatened that he could kill him and make it look like an accident had taken place while Winfield was repairing a vehicle or working out in the gym. When Winfield went to speak with an Army Chaplain about depression he was suffering from, he said Gibbs intercepted him.
"Sgt. Gibbs reminded me I shouldn't be talking about things I shouldn't be talking about," Winfield testified.
Although Winfield said he was pressured to keep quiet, he testified no one forced him to take place in the alleged killings.
"If I had done my duty, he would still be alive," Winfield said, referring to the Afghan man he said his fellow soldiers murdered.
In March, another soldier, Pvt. Morlock, pleaded guilty to killing that man and two other Afghan civilians for thrills and covering up the murders.
Morlock's chilling testimony painted a picture of soldiers gone rogue -- abusing drugs, executing Afghan civilians they referred to as "savages" and posing in photographs over the dead men. Morlock is serving a 24-year sentence in prison.
The group's alleged ringleader, Sgt. Gibbs, who also faces court martial in the case, has said the killings were justified under Army rules of engagement. Gibbs is also accused of taking body parts from the dead men to keep as grisly souvenirs.
Winfield is expected to face sentencing Friday. His father Christopher Winfield previously told reporters that his son had told him about the alleged killings and that he was afraid that his fellow soldiers might target him for speaking out. Christopher Winfield said he tried to report the group's alleged actions to the Army but was ignored.
Yes Sir, a Military to be proud of!!! give them all "IMMUNITY FROM PROSECUTION" J.W. Simms.
#8 Sep 2, 2011
BAGHDAD - Negotiations to keep U.S. troops in Iraq came under new strain Friday in the wake of WikiLeaks' release of a U.N. letter alleging that an Iraqi family was handcuffed and shot in the head in a 2006 raid by American forces - not accidentally killed in an airstrike.
On March 15, 2006, U.S. troops searching for an al-Qaida cell converged on a house in Ishaqi, about 50 miles (80 kilometers) north of Baghdad. The U.S. military said the troops were hit by gunfire from inside the house, and called in an airstrike after a gun battle, destroying the house.
Twelve days later, U.N. investigator Philip Alston sent a letter to U.S. officials saying autopsies by the morgue at nearby Tikrit Hospital had "revealed that all corpses were shot in the head and handcuffed." Alston provided no details about the source of his information.
Images taken by an AP photographer shortly after the raid in Ishaqi showed the bodies of at least two men and three children, none in handcuffs, laid out in blankets outside the house. Footage shot by an AP Television News cameraman at the time showed at least five children dead. At least one adult male and four of the children had deep wounds to the head that could have been caused by bullets or shrapnel. One child had an obvious entry wound to the side. The interiors of the walls left standing were pocked with bullet holes.
The U.S. military investigated the incident and said on June 2, 2006 that, while as many as nine civilians may have been killed, the commander had followed the rules of engagement, and Iraqi allegations that the family was executed were false.
One has to wonder, if the American soldiers raped the children before or after they killed them. The article doesn’t state that they raped the children, but hey these are American soldiers so that’s a given. What do you think “Elliot Ness” just an accident? J.W. Simms.
#9 Oct 29, 2011
KABUL, Afghanistan - A Taliban suicide bomber rammed a van into an armored NATO bus Saturday in Kabul, killing 13 American troops and four Afghans, U.S. and Afghan officials said, in the deadliest attack on coalition forces in more than two months.
The explosion, which occurred as the convoy was passing the American University, sparked a fireball and littered the street with shrapnel. Heavy black smoke poured from burning wreckage at the site.
The armored personnel carrier, known as a Rhino was sandwiched between of a convoy of mine-resistant military vehicles traveling on a four-lane highway frequently used by NATO forces in a southwestern section of the city.
NATO said 13 service members were killed, but a U.S. official confirmed they were all Americans. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue.
Only 13? HAHAHA! Dumb ass Taliban, we gotta lotta mo troops than that. The Government just says mommas send us your boys we're running low. J.W. Simms.
#11 Nov 12, 2011
WASHINGTON - A New Jersey congressman wrote directly to Defense Secretary Leon Panetta two months ago to raise questions about the Dover Air Force Base mortuary's longtime practice of dumping troops' cremated body parts in a landfill, but says he never received a reply.
The congressman's letter raises questions about when Panetta learned that the mortuary disposed of cremated portions of remains at the King George County, Va., landfill between 2003 and 2008. His spokesman, George Little, said Panetta was first briefed on the issue Wednesday.
Rep. Rush Holt, D-N.J., acting on behalf of a constituent whose husband was killed in Iraq and his remains handled by the Dover mortuary, said he sent a letter to Panetta on Sept. 16 "seeking clear and definitive answers" about the mortuary's landfill practices. Holt said he had raised the issue a few months earlier with the Pentagon's legislative affairs office but was "frustrated by a failure" to get a full response.
Little said that Panetta's office had received Holt's Sept. 16 correspondence and that staffers "have been working to collect the information required to answer the questions in the Congressman's letter. We will, of course, provide a thorough response as promptly as possible."
At a news conference Thursday, Panetta said that, while he had been kept informed about a broader federal investigation into problems at the Dover mortuary, he had been unaware of the landfill issue until the Post first reported on it Wednesday.
Panetta added that he hoped an independent panel he appointed this week to review overall operations at the troubled mortuary will "also look into that situation."
The Air Force said they ended the landfill dumping in 2008 and that the ashes are now buried at sea in ceremonies overseen by the Navy.
Air Force officials have said the landfill dumping was limited to fragments or portions of body parts that were unable to be identified at first or were later recovered , and which family members had said could be disposed of .
They said the body parts were cremated, then incinerated, and then taken to the landfill by a military contractor. The manner of disposal was not disclosed to relatives of fallen service members.
In his Sept. 16 letter to Panetta, Holt asked why the cremated portions of remains were trucked to the landfill and not interred at Arlington National Cemetery. He also asked whether the human remains had been mixed with incinerated medical waste and sought information on which military contractors carried out the practice.
As of Thursday, he said he still hadn't received answers from Panetta's office. Holt said he was acting on behalf of Gari-Lynn Smith, a constituent whose husband, Army Sgt. 1st Class Scott Smith, was killed by a buried bomb in Iraq in 2006.
In 2007, Gari-Lynn Smith received her husband's autopsy report and learned that some remains had not been found in time to include in his casket.
She spent the next four years trying to find out what happened to the remaining body parts before a Dover mortuary official notified her in April that they had been cremated and taken to the landfill. "I was told that he was thrown in the trash," she told the Post.
Holt said Panetta's legislative-affairs staff confirmed to him in June that the landfill dumping had occurred between 2003 and 2008. Though they did not give details, they wrote to Holt that the practice ended as part of "a process improvement initiative and not the result of complaints or findings of non-compliance."
In a statement, Holt disputed that assertion. "It is now clear to me that real issues did and may still exist, complaints were made and non-compliance was an all too common occurrence at Dover."
Does this mean that the Government believes your soldier is just garbage to be disposed of in useless fucking wars and then trashed? YES!!!!
Pushing up dasys in a dump, WOW! what a great Government!! J.W. Simms.
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