Stony Brook halts use of live animals...

Stony Brook halts use of live animals in training -

There are 41 comments on the Newsday story from Aug 7, 2007, titled Stony Brook halts use of live animals in training -. In it, Newsday reports that:

Stony Brook University medical students will no longer observe a surgical training course at Winthrop-University Hospital in Mineola that involved the use of live pigs after objections were raised that the ...

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Yonkers, NY

#1 Aug 7, 2007
remember this when you sue for malpractice and i was trained BY A COMPUTER
Johnny Franklin

Redwood City, CA

#2 Aug 7, 2007
Kudos to Stony Brook for making a responsible decision to end this cruel and unnecessary use of animals. I've read that more than three-quarters of U.S. medical schools don't use animals in classes like this, so it's quite obvious that non-animal alternatives work. Some of the best schools in the country don't use animals, but they produce excellent doctors. The Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine and the Bar Association are to be applauded for their work in ending this cruelty.
Cal Standish

Washington, DC

#3 Aug 7, 2007
This "physicians committee" is a hard-core animal rights group, not a real doctors' organization.(Only 3.5 percent of its members are actually physicians). Two-thirds of its funding comes from PETA's biggest donor. For information, visit www.PhysicianScam.com .
animal lover

AOL

#4 Aug 7, 2007
Why not use alternatives if they are available? Hooray for the animals! I applaud this decision!!
I hate cats

Stony Brook, NY

#5 Aug 7, 2007
They should use Cats and Kittens. I hate those bastards.
Nexus

Landing, NJ

#7 Aug 8, 2007
I have no problem with this one, just donate the pig to feed the needy.
Phil

Massapequa, NY

#8 Aug 8, 2007
Let me get this straight: the course was NOT a Stony Brook course, just one that the students had an option to observe and it was run by another hospital. Nothing illegal was being done. The hospital where the course was taught discontinued the course. The people complaining sent wrongly addressed letters to Stony Brook, then wondere why they don't get a response, and the letters were sent to the school that doesn't run the course. I ask: why does Newsday always look to bash Stony Brook. Even the headline is wong. Stony Brook didn't discontinue the course. The course was ended by the Winthrop Hospital because it was their course. Clearly there is some kind of vendetta, or there wouldn't be this constant negative (and inaccurate) coverage. I don't trust Newsday whatsoever anymore.
Loves2Garden

Vienna, VA

#9 Aug 8, 2007
This is such great news! I applaud Stony Brook and the hospital for their decision. Doctors need to learn how to be doctors by working with humans, not dogs or pigs. I hope more schools follow Stony Brook's leads.
Evidently

AOL

#10 Aug 8, 2007
Step up the the new century. It's about time! Good news !
Waldo Leidecker

Jamestown, NC

#11 Aug 8, 2007
You'd think with all the hundreds of millions of dollars this University panhandles out of donors every year they'd already have found a less gruesome, vicious, and unethical way of teaching their med students. Makes me ashamed to admit to being one of Stony Brook's alumnae.
Consider the source much

Trenton, NJ

#12 Aug 8, 2007
An excerpt from an Op Ed posted on September 16 to the website of The Center for Consumer Freedom:
As a spokesman for the oddly misnamed Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine in 2003, Dr. Jerry Vlasak (who now speaks for the Animal Liberation Front, an FBI-designated terror group) endorsed the murder of medical researchers in the name of animal rights. "I don't think you'd have to kill — assassinate — too many," he said. "For five lives, 10 lives, 15 human lives, we could save a million, 2 million, 10 million non-human lives."
Bruce Friedrich, a People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals vice president, famously said in 2001 that "blowing stuff up and smashing windows" is "a great way to bring about animal liberation." And PETA president Ingrid Newkirk has never softened her 17-year-old stance that "even if animal research resulted in a cure for AIDS, we'd be against it."
To read the entire Op Ed go to:
http://www.consumerfreedom.com/oped_detail.cf...
abc123

Middle Island, NY

#13 Aug 8, 2007
animal lover wrote:
Why not use alternatives if they are available? Hooray for the animals! I applaud this decision!!
Use the man that set fire to his dog.
He's a an unwanted animal.
Chris

Brooklyn, NY

#15 Aug 8, 2007
Speaking from personal experience, as a surgeon, learning to do these advanced laparoscopic procedures on a live, anesthetized animal is definitely the way to go.
R U KID IN

Astoria, NY

#16 Aug 8, 2007
Since when did leaving off the additional 4-digit ZIP code ever stop the mail getting through?

And also, how could university spindoctor Lauren Sheprow know that the June 20 and July 11 letters did not include the additional 4-digit code if he or she did'nt recieve them to see that the 4 digits were missing?

It seem's that the highly educated are nothing more than dimwits that can't even fabricate a viable response, let alone being honest. They Truely scare me.
Spare Rib Assn

Tenafly, NJ

#18 Aug 8, 2007
We applaud the cessation of this terrible waste of food.
Jim

United States

#19 Aug 8, 2007
This is seriously retarded. Were talking about PIGS here. People actually care about these things? We eat them! But god forbid we practice medicine on them OH NO!!
Adam

Andover, MA

#20 Aug 8, 2007
Loves2Garden wrote:
This is such great news! I applaud Stony Brook and the hospital for their decision. Doctors need to learn how to be doctors by working with humans, not dogs or pigs. I hope more schools follow Stony Brook's leads.
Maybe you should read the article again! The article is talking about 4th year MEDICAL STUDENTS....NOT DOCTORS (AT LEAST NOT YET). So perhaps you would rather that these medical students learn to become doctors on humans such as YOURSELF!?!? After all, we all learn from our mistakes (medical students included).
No clue

Trenton, NJ

#21 Aug 8, 2007
R U KID IN wrote:
Since when did leaving off the additional 4-digit ZIP code ever stop the mail getting through?
And also, how could university spindoctor Lauren Sheprow know that the June 20 and July 11 letters did not include the additional 4-digit code if he or she did'nt recieve them to see that the 4 digits were missing?
It seem's that the highly educated are nothing more than dimwits that can't even fabricate a viable response, let alone being honest. They Truely scare me.
You are incorrectly assuming that Newsday is reporting accurately and using the complete response it was issued.

The fact is, Newsday faxed the letter to SB because SB did not have a copy of it. The letter Newsday faxed was dated July 11, 2007 and, the five digit zip code was wrong. It would be nice if Newsday simply used the full response that Newsday received, and let the response speak for itself. Newsday represents what it wants to represent, irregardless of the response. Now THAT is something to be scared about.
Pleased in DC

Rockville, MD

#23 Aug 8, 2007
As someone who has way too much experience with the medical system, I'm delighted about this change in teaching methods for Stony Brook medical students! Compassion is one of the most valuable qualities a doctor can have. I've never understood how medical schools can expect to instill compassion in their students by asking them to cut open live animals. Whether or not one eats pigs, they are living, feeling beings and don't deserve to suffer unnecessarily--especially when other teaching methods work even better.
Islander

Stony Brook, NY

#24 Aug 8, 2007
Since now. This has always been the case at Stony Brook, since the place is so large the mailroom needs the 4 digit internal zip code after the regular postal zip code in order for them to know where the mail is supposed to be directed. There are huge amounts of mail coming in, it's not like in a small office or company, the place is really huge with a lot of people getting mail.
R U KID IN wrote:
Since when did leaving off the additional 4-digit ZIP code ever stop the mail getting through?
And also, how could university spindoctor Lauren Sheprow know that the June 20 and July 11 letters did not include the additional 4-digit code if he or she did'nt recieve them to see that the 4 digits were missing?
It seem's that the highly educated are nothing more than dimwits that can't even fabricate a viable response, let alone being honest. They Truely scare me.

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