Owed child support in Florida? Good luck

Owed child support in Florida? Good luck

There are 370 comments on the Orlando Sentinel story from Apr 18, 2009, titled Owed child support in Florida? Good luck. In it, Orlando Sentinel reports that:

Cheryl White, at home in east Orange recently, had trouble getting child support from her ex after the divorce about 4 years ago.

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Leeky

Dania, FL

#112 Apr 19, 2009
Who cares get a job lazy women...you knew when you laid down he may not be a "good" man. You choose to keep that kid. Abortion is still legal. Deal with it i hope they don't anything to those women.
Florida Girl

Altamonte Springs, FL

#113 Apr 19, 2009
I had excellent service from the Department of Revenue, it was the Lake County judge Sympatico that I had trouble with. I had a meager back support balance due me and it was added at $10/week makeup pay. What a joke. Fortunately, Ex and his stupid new wife didn't know how to modify their withholding so as not to get huge tax returns, and it didn't take long before I was paid off in full. Sure, the child was over 18, but it was my money anyway, not the child's, and so I graciously accepted it when I arrived.

A former coworker's youngest child was THIRTY when she got the final payment for her ex's back child support.

Amazing, isn't it, how the laws say courts can suspend driver licenses and they do but the losers keep on driving? Worse, they're told they're putting people behind on child support in jail, which renders them completely unable to pay one cent, plus they lose their good jobs because they're locked up and can't go to work!

I say we sentence them to roadside hard labor, 16 hours/day until the bills are paid. Pay them minimum wage and give them a pittiance from that to pay for their jail upkeep and then have a dollar for soap and toilet paper. No more hiding out with your new wives in the homes THEY stole from their ex-husbands (hard workers).

My ex's child support order was $60/week but he "couldn't afford it" and so some pathetic judge reduced it to $50/week. He went to jail at least 3 times over the next 6 years, until the child passed 18 and he got it all paid. Meanwhile, his new wife was collecting $220/week from her ex for their children. To my way of thinking, she married my ex and that means she took on his debts as his new, lawfully-wedded wife, so she should use her ex's child support to pay her family expenses and give HER income to my ex to pay THEIR child support! Hahaha

Thankfully, I managed to get it all BEFORE SHE DIVORCED HIM. I wonder if it was worth it--wrecking two homes and three childrens' lives for a few years of "fun?"
Leeky

Dania, FL

#114 Apr 19, 2009
Dr_Zaius wrote:
<quoted text>
If one looks at the percentages it is black men causing most of these problems.
You are an idiot, Blacks make up 12% of the population. How could they possibly be the biggest part of the problem.
Say What

Cocoa, FL

#116 Apr 19, 2009
Florida as a whole does not take care of the people that live here in this state! It or I should say the politicians and elected officials are only interested in what can go in there pockets and how they can rape the tax payer for there personal gain!!!!!
it takes 2 to tango

Oak Hill, WV

#117 Apr 19, 2009
smart lady wrote:
There was another thread where there was a woman who said all women should have a career or way to earn life long income before they have kids. This is very true. You can not expect all men to stick around forever, even in a stable marriage, after 10 or 15 years, men are likely to stray away from the family. You will NOT get child support if he goes off with another woman and has children with her. I have known many cases like this and the courts can do little. You are not protected. You should always be prepared to sustain your kids because they are yours first and your husbands, second. I know doctors who are let off the hook in domestic financial decisions in courts. You really need to teach your girls this, parents.
oh please....if the dad really loved his kids, he wouldnt "stray away" He'll have to pay no matter what if he marries and has other children.
parents teach your kids to be responsible is what you meant i hope!
disturbed

Ann Arbor, MI

#118 Apr 19, 2009
I think this is not only a Florida issue but a national issue. I live in MI and my ex is over $6,000 in arrears. He is "self-employed", therefore he doesn't get a paycheck or file tax-returns. The courts here don't even ask him for proof of income and just take him for his word. I know of others in MI who have tax liens on their income tax returns due to back child support. I think this is not a mom v dad issue, but if we all just stepped up and did what was right for the kids and not ourselves this issue would go away. But people are too selfish for that. I think that shows how disgusting our society has gotten.

Since: Aug 08

Now a Ghetto

#119 Apr 19, 2009
So you had 5G to give a lawyer, but didn't have 5G to give to your kids ??
R Warren wrote:
My ex-wife, Selma Miller, paid a low life scum attorney, Philip Cullen III, to drag me through the courts for years looking for money that didn't exist. Finally after paying 5Gs and fighting on my own for years I won, but lost my children who had irrepairably been twisted against me. Thank God for Judge Susan Greenhawt who finally put an end to the legal blackmail. The Department of Revenue is a beaureaucracy that is straightjacketed by inadequate and out of day law.
soflokid

Hollywood, FL

#120 Apr 19, 2009
The child support enforcement process in Florida is an abomination and those of you caught in its ugly web have my sympathy. Where do i begin? For more than ten years, i have battled and dealt with the bureaucracy of Orange County Child Support Enforcement, the Department of Revenue, and the Disbursement Unit – a three headed hydra; none of the other heads talking to each other. I get a letter every year from the Department of Revenue saying I am not providing health insurance for my daughter; read the final order dummies, my ex-wife is required to provide this which she dutifully does. But each year, i get the same letter and have to take my time and energy to make a copy of the final order and send it to them with a letter. Then, I get my annual letter from Orange County Child Support Enforcement telling me I am not sending in my payments to them, again look at the final order; it directs me to send the money to the Disbursement Unit in Tallahassee. The whole system needs an enema. Most recently, Orange County Child Support Enforcement sent me a letter advising me I was in arrears and my license would be suspended! Yikes. I don’t know who writes the letters for these folks, perhaps a disgruntled ex-Hallmark employee, but to say the least they are acerbic. Then, I get an income decoction order from the Department of Revenue sent to my employer when I am not even in arrears? No due process, not opportunity to refute their information, nothing, just a statement advising me that if I don’t agree with their actions I can file a petition; like I have a battery of attorney’s at my disposal. So, I sent a letter to the judge conveying my indignance, to wit a hearing was set and I appeared telephonically. The Hearing Officer, while professional, was not at all inclined to change any order issued by the Department even though I was not in arrears - he told me I was $225 behind – like that was accurate. Then I asked a series of other questions and I was directed to the Department of Revenue by the Hearing Officer, I did contact them and they never responded! I then asked why an income deduction order would be entered in a case where the party was not in arrears nor had any action been taken by the other affected party (my ex-wife)! The Department just did it on their own! The Hearing Officer said they were doing deduction orders on all cases now, yea right, I asked my neighbor who also pays and he said no. He was not at all inclined to do anything except try to get through his docket. Plus it is embarrassing as my employer asked me if there was something they needed to know about. Well, you get the drift folks……..
soflokid

Hollywood, FL

#121 Apr 19, 2009
Florida Girl wrote:
I had excellent service from the Department of Revenue, it was the Lake County judge Sympatico that I had trouble with. I had a meager back support balance due me and it was added at $10/week makeup pay. What a joke. Fortunately, Ex and his stupid new wife didn't know how to modify their withholding so as not to get huge tax returns, and it didn't take long before I was paid off in full. Sure, the child was over 18, but it was my money anyway, not the child's, and so I graciously accepted it when I arrived.
A former coworker's youngest child was THIRTY when she got the final payment for her ex's back child support.
Amazing, isn't it, how the laws say courts can suspend driver licenses and they do but the losers keep on driving? Worse, they're told they're putting people behind on child support in jail, which renders them completely unable to pay one cent, plus they lose their good jobs because they're locked up and can't go to work!
I say we sentence them to roadside hard labor, 16 hours/day until the bills are paid. Pay them minimum wage and give them a pittiance from that to pay for their jail upkeep and then have a dollar for soap and toilet paper. No more hiding out with your new wives in the homes THEY stole from their ex-husbands (hard workers).
My ex's child support order was $60/week but he "couldn't afford it" and so some pathetic judge reduced it to $50/week. He went to jail at least 3 times over the next 6 years, until the child passed 18 and he got it all paid. Meanwhile, his new wife was collecting $220/week from her ex for their children. To my way of thinking, she married my ex and that means she took on his debts as his new, lawfully-wedded wife, so she should use her ex's child support to pay her family expenses and give HER income to my ex to pay THEIR child support! Hahaha
Thankfully, I managed to get it all BEFORE SHE DIVORCED HIM. I wonder if it was worth it--wrecking two homes and three childrens' lives for a few years of "fun?"
Sounds like a lot of your issues are personal. The "system" is a joke for everyone, even those who pay. see my post.
soflokid

Hollywood, FL

#122 Apr 19, 2009
Matty Matt wrote:
Women get custody unless they are a criminal or crack head. Then they want to get paid. And this is fair??? I can't wait until we have Sharia law.
I agree dude, i am a good dad and love my now 12 year old daughter but never bothered to ask for joint custody b/c in Florida I know it will not happen. I also feel like it was best for my daughter to have that stability, but i have missed many years living here in Ft. Lauderdale and my daughter and exwife are in orlando. However, i may reconsider this some day. Thanks for you words of support. Read my post about what a nightmare i have had with CSE.
NO WANDER

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#123 Apr 19, 2009
After reading some of these posts makes me want to get fixed.
Anna Luisa

Tallahassee, FL

#124 Apr 19, 2009
Have number of children that you can support by yourself. Don't count with state help or chid support.
soflokid

Hollywood, FL

#125 Apr 19, 2009
Bubba wrote:
This woman,(we'll call her Leisa), used the kids as weapons to provide satisfaction to issues driven by her deep seated mental problems...
If you've ever sat and waited for over an hour to pick your kids up at the time the court said was your time, to have the kids not show, you know heartbreak...
If you've ever sent your kids birthday or christmas presents, to learn that they had been thrown in the trash and the kids never got them, you know heartache.
Yeah, you can take her back into court,but here the hitch: Fathers don't get free legal representation when mothers don't hand over the kids at the court ordered time, yet stop paying child support, and the mothers get free legal representation from the Department of Revenue. How much time and money should Fathers be expected to spend, when the mother can just stand at the door and say " **** You, go ahead call the cops", or not answer the door or phone. why aren't the Mothers subjected to jail time, humiliation, and all of the trimmings as the dads are when they disobey a court order? why aren't the mothers who use the kids as pawns subjected to suspended drivers licenses?
My ex-wife remarried, and the guy she married is a Broward Sheriff's Deputy...This punk, would station a car outside of my office, and when I left the office, detectives would come in under the guise that they were "investigating me"...Now mind you, that there was nothing to investigate, and they wouldn't come in while I was there, but can you imagine the impact it has on your job when something like this happens? Ever try calling BSO to file a complaint??? It's pure B.S., these guys do what they want...All the while mind you, she is at a private christian school playing the role of "Little miss perfect christian school teacher" No one knows the darkeness in her mind or the eleaborate methods she would go to, or make others go to, to screw with my life and make it impossible for me to see my kids...
My daughter will graduate from high school this year, I'd like to send her a gift, but don't know if she'd get it. I've driven without a license so long, it doesn't really matter anymore...My son will graduate from high school next year. I haven't seen a picture of him in a long time...
My point is this: If child support isn't being paid, there is often more to it than just some guy being irresponsible...When your freakin hearet is being ripped out by a ruthless manipulator, oyu know oyur kids are being torn, and the system doesn't effect a solution regardless of how much money you spend, you simply stop paying support...The kids have never gone without, her wealthy parents have given her much money...Her dad, I'm sure does it to keep his little "secret" safe...But there is more to it....I hope that soon, my kids will find me, and learn the truth about (Leisa) and all of the htings she's done in the name of "God"...
I feel from you bro. See my post and the nightmare CSE has created for me. I check my license on line every month now b/c i am paranoid and my boss got put in jail for a suspended license on a three day weekend with no bail, i went down to the 12th street jail to bail him out. poor guy, it was an accounting error by CSE. They have way too much power to administrative and seripticously enter orders and take your check without due process. I even wrote my State Senator about this. But they dont care, its not putting any money in their pockets.
soflokid

Hollywood, FL

#126 Apr 19, 2009
The Ex wrote:
My exhusband stopped paying his child support and I filed with the court to get him to start paying again. I live in SC but FL has jurisdiction because we lived there when we were divorced. I waited a year before filing a petition to enforce child support so that he could try to find a job. Then when I told him that I knew he was working, he told me that HE felt I only needed $500/mo for three kids while he earned upwards of $70,000 a year. I also worked and YES, I worked hard (2 jobs) to support my kids on my own. The court case didn't reach the judge until 3 years later...IT TOOK THREE YEARS FOR THE COURT TO HEAR THIS CASE. By the time the judge ordered him to pay child support, he owed me over $20,000. So, now child support is deducted from his check and the judge only ordered him to pay $50 extra a month to make up the arrearages. I struggled big time to put food on the table for my kids, pay for daycare for three kids so I could work. We had nothing extra... just enough to make ends meet. I feel fortunate that I was able to afford to feed and cloth my children but what I don't understand is the idea that some men have that THEY are owed a lifestyle better than that of their children. I get that they want a young trophy wife who doesn't want children...who looks perfect because she has NOTHING to do while the mother of his kids works fulltime, runs them to three different ball games and practices a week, cleans, cooks, sits up all night holding them when they are sick. Sure, if I didn't have that, I'd look just like his trophy wife. I might even have nice clothes too if he had PAID his child support instead of having me bear the burden of his irresponsiblity. The last time he took the time to see his kids, they took the kids to his friend's neighborhood to go swimming and he had the nerve to tell them that if he didn't have to give their mother all his money that they could afford to live here...THEY...HE AND HIS WIFE..NOT THE KIDS because he makes it clear to the kids that they are "not kid people." Dispicable.In the end, I wouldn't trade my life for his for any amount of money. I just think the State of Florida can do a much better job of collecting child support. Where I live here in SC if a man doesn't pay his child support he is ordered the next month into court and fined and/or jailed.
please don't take this personally, but i see a lot of acrimony with these cases when there is another woman/man involved. Whew!
soflokid

Hollywood, FL

#127 Apr 19, 2009
A Good Father wrote:
I have supported my child all of his life. The thing that infuriates me is when a father pays his support, and still has to buy things for the kid because the Mom is too lazy and too greedy to use the support money to spend it directly on the child.
My support money is NOT for the mom's beauty appointments, her clothes, or her car payment. It is for the CHILD ONLY - the mom is responsible for her own damn bills, not me.
That's why a lot of men don't pay support - these greedy moms use the money for other things instead of taking care of the kid's needs directly.
Touche brother! You hit the nail on the head! I am lucky, my ex-wife always puts our daughter first and i am so lucky i married a good person, but there are a lot of them out there like that. a buddy of mine tells me every time he picks up his son, the clothes have holes, socks have holes, shoes are old, etc. and he pays $500 a month but she has a new car and a new belly ring and tramp stamp (tattoo). too funny!
soflokid

Hollywood, FL

#128 Apr 19, 2009
The Ex wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh were my three sons supposed to be denied a normal childhood because their **** father didn't give a rat's axx about them??? Yes, dammit, I did without so that they could play sports. Do you even know how much those sports were? The cost for them playing sports amounted to $500 a year. Do you know how I paid for it??? I'll tell you. I worked a second job to pay for it. I got up at 5 am and delivered newspapers. I also worked with a caterer so that I could cook in my home during the evenings after already working 8 hours that day. And before you tell me that I DIDN'T GIVE MY KIDS ENUF ATTENTION...I did give them attention. I NEVER MISSSED A BALLGAME...EVER unlike their dirtbag father who had NEVER...I REPEAT NEVER attended a game. I have one child right now that is a senior in high school who is in the top 5% of his class, who is well adjusted with lots of friends who never goes a day without telling his mother how much he loves her. All my kids are happy and also know how we ALL WORKED TOGETHER and we did fine. So take your obvious I'VE NEVER HAD A CHILD attitude and stuff it. When you have walked in my shoes, you can pass your ridiculous judgments.
P.S. Am I bitter...your dam right I am bitter. He left me wiht three kids ages 2, 4 & 5 with nothing. We had the clothes on our backs after he beat me and the three kids because girlfriend dumped him because he didn't leave me fast enough and he got drunk and took it out on us. Like I said...walk in my shoes **** and you can comment.
you can sign up for a free on-line anger management class at www.controlmyanger.org
soflokid

Hollywood, FL

#129 Apr 19, 2009
Dr_Zaius wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL, I pay $650 a month for only ONE, and I have to incure all the costs of traveling to another state to see my kid or to bring her here to Florida.
This isn't a problem for me, but I can see where many men are coming from. Two guys who work for me pay out roughly 40% of their pay in child support and can hardly afford fuel let alone insurance. It is a real bad situation our wonderful legislators have created for normally lawabiding taxpayers.
A government big enough to supply you with everything you need, is a government big enough to take away everything that you have...." - Thomas Jefferson
Actually, thats a misquote. it should read: "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have."

Dr_Zaius

“E Pluribus Unum”

Since: Apr 09

Broward County

#130 Apr 19, 2009
DEFENDER wrote:
<quoted text>
Bubba I can't even begin relating to your ongoing situation. I haven't seen or heard from my kids in 5 years. The state chose to give then to a their crack addicted mother after 6 mo of so-called rehab, she sold our house and split; never to be seen again. prior I raised my little boys 4 years alone never asking for anything but for her to get well, after getting high or experimenting with all her race interests. she gets the kids and right to the CS office she goes, and gets 800.00 per mo. But the state won't disclose her address or.... Ya know I'm so p/i/s/s/e/d right now...
All I can say is I Can Relate. Just hope the good impact you had on your children early on holds up until they flip their spiteful, vindictive mother off and come looking for you. That's all I have now are the close times we've had will hold up.
This story brought a tear to my eye. Good luck, brother.
soflokid

Hollywood, FL

#131 Apr 19, 2009
Macie wrote:
I appreciate everything that the State of Florida has done for me. If it wasn't for the DOR I do not know what I would have done. I had three fathers. The first one did not pay anything for 14 years,they had to do bloodwork and prove that he was the father. The second father did the same thing,he didn't pay anything for 8 years and bloodwork had to be done. And the third father I was with for ten years and while I won my child support for the first two fathers ,he tries to blow my siuation up and sexually assaults my child from the previous father. and he sexually assaulted his own biological child. And he told the courts and the psychiatrists that he would never do it again. You can not trust anyone like that. If they did it once they will do it again. In which he did nothing to protect her either.Long story short I raised my children with the support that Florida has given me. My four older children are adults. and not once did the father to the last three children ever send them a birthday card,Christmas card,or graduation card or just that I am thinking of you card. He does not do anything extra only what he is court ordered to pay and I asked once for a upward modification and I never got it. There are cost of living expenses. and with the recession. I do not even get that. I leave well enough alone and I just pray that God will provide. And he has. Oh,but his family wants pictures who lives in another state. and I am threatened that if I do not forget the past something will happen to me. I was never court ordered to provide pictures. If I write to him,it is called harassment.It would be nice if they could do a intercept check. Because he does file on them.And he is suppose to send me papers for me to sign to give him the permission to file on them. I have not recived any of those papers for 11 years.But I leave well enogh alone. I received a letter in 2007 that he was on the offender's match and the potential for domestic violence. I live in another state. I was very relieved when I got that paper. Like I said before I appreciate everything that the DOR has done for my family. I owe my life to the lawyer who handled my cases. Thanks to DOR and the lawyers.And he was never court ordered to provide my children a college education. When the last one turns 18 it is over. Thank you.
Didn't anyone ever talk to you about a little restraing and using condoms? Geez, three dads. come on.
KC and the Bozo Band

Simpsonville, SC

#132 Apr 19, 2009
soflokid wrote:
<quoted text>please don't take this personally, but i see a lot of acrimony with these cases when there is another woman/man involved. Whew!
And why wouldn't you expect anything less. I got married and took my vows seriously. He didn't. He wanted kids and when ten years out with three kids and a wife, he decides he wants something different and he throws his wife and kids away like a used toy. Did I ask for what he did? No. Was I a good wife and mother...I thought so. He seemed happy until Barbi came into his life. Sorry with three kids I was too busy to do my nails and have my hair died bright blonde every other week. Don't get me wrong, I took care of myself and I look about 15 years younger and I am in better shape than women 20 years younger than me. It was the fact that it took too much work on his part to raise a family and he left it to me. Then has the nerve to be upset that he has to pay child support. It keeps him and Barbi from joining a country club or buying a bigger house. Acrimony...you better believe it. Does bitterness consume me...no. Just idiots who think that exwives are out there making a living living off their ex's, burns me up and I comment. My kids have no clue what I went through and they and their friends think I'm the nicest coolest fun mom who does more for her kids than their two parent households. I JUST SWORE WHEN I GOT DIVORCED THAT MY KIDS WERE NEVER GOING TO NOT HAVE A NORMAL CHILDHOOD OR WHERE THEY WERE DEPRIVED BECAUSE OF DIVORCE. That was my after-divorce-vow. One neighbor of mine when I finally was able to buy a house said "Oh..you must get a bundle from your exhusband so you can pay your mortgage." It took all I could not to slap his face. Whew is right...don't get married (i.e., take a vow to be with a person the rest of your life) or tell your significant other that you want to have kids IF YOU CAN'T BE RESPONSIBLE TO CARE FOR THOSE CHILDREN.

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