Judge tosses thousands of citation, f...

Judge tosses thousands of citation, fumes at toll 'injustice'

There are 223 comments on the Orlando Sentinel story from Apr 23, 2008, titled Judge tosses thousands of citation, fumes at toll 'injustice'. In it, Orlando Sentinel reports that:

An irate judge wiped the books Tuesday of several thousand citations handed out to drivers accused of skipping tolls because their dashboard transponders malfunctioned.

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hmmm

United States

#1 Apr 23, 2008
repeat after me: CLASS ACTION SUIT
Kalthy Manry

Saint Petersburg, FL

#2 Apr 23, 2008
"How could we let something like this happen?"
Kathy Manry

Saint Petersburg, FL

#3 Apr 23, 2008
"How could we have allowed this to happen?" This will hurt any chances of Lake Wales developing a toll road system in my community!
JustMe

Clearwater, FL

#4 Apr 23, 2008
Most toll road systems are marginal in income, and cost significantly more to operate. So, is it a good thing? No.

Most municipalities think that since they have a toll road, they can hire contractors to do all the maintenance, and this usually winds up costing more per mile in maintenance than a typical road.

I have an E-pass and need to check on my record online, to make sure it has not malfunctioned on me. I think their signs should be better worded, in different colors and farther away to allow more time to read them, as they fly by.
M Duplicano

Orlando, FL

#5 Apr 23, 2008
You don't think liberal judges are ruining this country? Here is another example.
Too True

Huntsville, AL

#6 Apr 23, 2008
The article reads; """Because the family moved, notice of the citations went to the wrong address, and the state suspended Baird's drivers license. He learned about that only in late December, when he tried to renew his vehicle tags and couldn't."

What appears to have happened is that he ignored the citations they sent and after he moved he never bothered with filling out a change of address with the post office. Why else would they NOT be sent to his new address?

My wife received a notice in the mail to check the battery in her E-PASS and we replaced them. That fixed the problem.

Now you have a inept judge who throws out thousands of citations. Why?- because the people who got them were idiots who can't handle their own affairs?

No wonder this society is sinking into a quagmire of stagnation. We have people who are either incapable of handling their personal affairs or they refuse to so and then mentaly challenged judges who let them off the hook.
gatorbait

Kissimmee, FL

#7 Apr 23, 2008
This is exactly why I recently dropped O-Pass and bought a Sun-Pass with the audio tone and indicator LED. Going through the road-speed express lanes there is no indication of a transaction or transponder status otherwise.

The expressway authority used the same dumb logic my insurance company did 2 weeks ago. A radiology firm used the wrong social security number on the claim form, so insurance rejected it. Yet, the insurance company was confident enough that it was me to send me a copy of the claim rejection notice.
Bob

Atlanta, GA

#8 Apr 23, 2008
Im from Georgia and when im in Florida I use my SunPass. It didnt register on one trip at a bunch of tolls and I got two tickets. Appealed both by mail and won but was told on the second any future tickets would not be voided. My battery was fine and there was money in my account! So as the Judge said with a few keystrokes they could've figured all this out and posted the tolls to my account but NO they ticketed me twice...
Bob

Atlanta, GA

#9 Apr 23, 2008
PS> John Morgan please contact me
Justice

Oak Brook, IL

#10 Apr 23, 2008
Now let's address the coin machines that don't recognize your quarters & make you deposit quarter after quarter until it shows you've paid your toll.
Original epass user

Haughton, LA

#11 Apr 23, 2008
Too True wrote:
The article reads; """Because the family moved, notice of the citations went to the wrong address, and the state suspended Baird's drivers license. He learned about that only in late December, when he tried to renew his vehicle tags and couldn't."
What appears to have happened is that he ignored the citations they sent and after he moved he never bothered with filling out a change of address with the post office. Why else would they NOT be sent to his new address?
My wife received a notice in the mail to check the battery in her E-PASS and we replaced them. That fixed the problem.
Now you have a inept judge who throws out thousands of citations. Why?- because the people who got them were idiots who can't handle their own affairs?
No wonder this society is sinking into a quagmire of stagnation. We have people who are either incapable of handling their personal affairs or they refuse to so and then mentaly challenged judges who let them off the hook.
Yes, and No. When we moved, we changed our address on the local e-pass website through which we receive the bill. At that time, epass and Florida DOT did not communicate, so sunpass was not updated. I received an unwarranted citation because these two agencies weren't correlated in their records. Hopefully, that issue has been fixed.

On the other hand, I agree with the judge in that if there is money in the account and something is not working, there should be an alternative to a traffic citation.

Ultimately, it is each driver's responsibility, not an issue for a class action suit.

FYI - I am an original epass user, from when they first came out and were mounted behind the bumper.
Motorcycle E-Pass

AOL

#12 Apr 23, 2008
My transponder has a good battery and money in the account but, when placed behind my motorcyccle plastic windshield, it is not being registered by sensors as I ride by.
Any similar experience or explanation?
Uncle Ruckus

Winter Haven, FL

#13 Apr 23, 2008
This happens to me all the time. It's a pain in the neck to correct a $100 fine for a $1 toll violation.
Rich Craig

Denver, CO

#14 Apr 23, 2008
Let's see; they take your picture showing your tag, make, model and color of your vehicle, get your address, send you a notification but they can’t determine that you had active account with funds available? I was threatened in 2004 with suspension, they told me SunPass and E-Pass was not connected to communicate yet. It appears they still aren’t talking in 2008. Thank you Judge Baird!
Orlando Homegrown

Orlando, FL

#15 Apr 23, 2008
I have an e-pass and it is set up to automatically transfer funds from my bank account to maintain the proper balance and still on occasion the blasted toll booth dings me when I drive through. I have been sent several "warnings" but no actual tickets to date. At least not tomy knowlege! There is no excuse in this computerized world we live in for there not to already have a program in place to sort out who has an account and who is just running the toll booth. It's not in place because they are knowingly bilking the people in order to boost their revenue! I don't know how much the tickets are but if Baird paid $3,000 for 16 tickets that would put the fines around $180.00 which has to be inflated from penalties and court cost or something but even if it's just $50.00 per violation and the court through out 7-8,000 tickets you are looking at between $350,000 to $400,000 in fines and now figure how long have they been getting away with it? Just how many injustices can we stand before our house of cards come tumbling down around us!!!
A Failing System

Orlando, FL

#18 Apr 23, 2008
* Sun Pass Toll booths so poorly calibrated they don't read properly working EPasses.

* EPass account rep's that don't last longer than 180 days.

* Daily receipt of UTN's and UTC's.

* Communication so poor that one cannot count on a response to your emails or phone messages within 48 hours.

* Hundreds of EPasses to manage and online software that fails at the login making it impossible to manage.
Freddie

Palm Bay, FL

#19 Apr 23, 2008
I'm glad someone finally steped up to this predatory and inept commission.
One Dog

United States

#20 Apr 23, 2008
If decent transponders were available, this problem wouldn't exist. Put stuff in space but can't make a good transponder. Maybe the time has come to eliminate the toll roads since powers to be can't seem the manage them. Sure know how to PARTY, with your citation money, in Las Vegas though! Judge did a fine job and I hope he continues to do so. It's like one for the grunts. Finally!!!
Dale Torment

Palm Bay, FL

#21 Apr 23, 2008
What's that last sentence....
"Hodges, with the Orlando-Orange County toll agency, said that because her agency did not operate toll booths in Seminole or Brevard counties, the ruling would not affect it."

So in Orange County the injustice has license to continue.
Sara, Dan, Rene do something of value, never really seen in reporting, go to Hodges and report on how many citations are issued against people who have money in there accounts.
A million to one you don't. Prove me right.
bob

Orlando, FL

#22 Apr 23, 2008
hey! it's florida.

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