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dvdinorl
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If we believe half of what article says (my general approach to the press), then it reconfirms that out legislative delegation is minor league.
Orlando is not this "world class" city that our leaders imagine and promote. They couldn't get MagLev as they caved to Disney. I-4 is just now getting updated to 1990's needs and now this. I'm not exactly sure that the CSX plan is the end all of mass transit, but we need transportation alternatives.
If you're looking for a progressive, cutting edge community - move along folks, there's nothing to see here.
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Uncle Andy
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Jay wrote: Our tax dollars will be spent anyways and not where you want them to be. THis project would have not only helped ease traffic concerns but also lessen the demand for gas. At the same time it would have reduced emissions. But Sen. Dockery did not want trains through her downtown Lakeland which by the way has no downtown. Her selfishness has made Florida look bad in the eyes of the Fed govt. Way to team up with the trial lawyers who are the scum of the earth. WE need better infrastructure for transportation. Everyone should realize what Dockery and her buddy Villalobos just accomplished=nothing. This will not go away. The liability issue was mirrored on the tri-rail agreement in south florida. I guess Villalobois only wanted the agreement in his region and not ours. I hope this rail system goes through so I can see Dockery relaize how little she means to the state of Florida. Thanks for representing Lakeland which is the armpit of Central Florida. First, Lakeland is not an “arm pit” it is a critically important industrial community in Central Florida. Always has been since the citrus boom in Florida. It is more like a bicep. Second, trial lawyers for some reason are always “scum of the earth” until you need one because you’re getting the shaft from either the government or a very large insurance company. Third, the current sovereign immunity laws in Florida are outdated and poorly written, and needs to be overhauled. The concern of the Trial Lawyers is not so much about making a buck on the backs of the tax payers, as it is about making government officials, and entities that serve the public interest (i.e. Expressway Authority) held accountable for willful blatant negligence and causing harm to the general public.
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bob
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senator dockery was speakimg for the 255,000 people in the lakeland area and 585,000 people in polk county,by the way it's the ninth largest in the state,no different than the legislators from the orlando area,personally i've would love to see it work, just like tri-rail in south florida.
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Interested Observer
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The commuter rail - although it may SEEM like a good thing - is evidently unworkable. As a service business, it should be able to have enough revenue to support liability insurance without being 'declared exempt' from normal civil actions. Otherwise, the owners (your government, maybe) will have no pressing need to build and operate with adequate safety.
It looks like it can't be built and run as a viable business; so it's probably better to kill it now rather than face future corrupt contractor problems and dismal safety records.
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Gloom And Doom
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More freight, no commuter rail. If the Cruddy Brothers and Charlie Tuna were for it. It would have cost us all millions upon millions upon millions in cost over runs and upkeep. I'm glad to see it die. You have to figure out ways for working people to get to their jobs without a car. Otherwise, your big plans to spend lots of money will never suceed.
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ZELL
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Now we need to stop these venues. They are already millions over budget and getting worse. We simply do not have the money!!
Tax revenues are predicted to drop 20% in the next several years. These venues will bankrupt our children for a generation. I
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Awful
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Uncle Andy wrote: <quoted text>
First, Lakeland is not an “arm pit” it is a critically important industrial community in Central Florida. Always has been since the citrus boom in Florida. It is more like a bicep. Second, trial lawyers for some reason are always “scum of the earth” until you need one because you’re getting the shaft from either the government or a very large insurance company. Third, the current sovereign immunity laws in Florida are outdated and poorly written, and needs to be overhauled. The concern of the Trial Lawyers is not so much about making a buck on the backs of the tax payers, as it is about making government officials, and entities that serve the public interest (i.e. Expressway Authority) held accountable for willful blatant negligence and causing harm to the general public. 1. It is an arempit. 2. Lakeland is industrial, so trains should go through there instead of through downtown Orlando. 3. The lawyers only wat the laws re-written so they can get more money for themselves in lawsuits. 4. When are the commuter Rail refund checks gonna come out to everyone? They way some of you talk I expect to be showered with money in the next fiscal year.
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Austin P
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Gold Falcon wrote: People are NOT going to park their cars to ride the rail with the dregs of humanity anymore than they are going to park their cars to ride the bus with the dregs of humanity.
The commuter-rail system was a waste of money that would have never worked. Exactly !!!!
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Grandma Fudd
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Years ago I was desperate to buy an expensive, large, but still trailer-able boat just like my Dad owned years ago so I could go fishing anytime I wanted to. My spouse wisely fought long and hard to prevent that tragic error on my part. Now if I have the urge to fish, I charter a boat with captain, fishing poles, bait, ice, and who will even clean and package the fish for me and hand me the neat wrapped packages to put into my cooler when I leave. I have saved literally tens of thousands of dollars in purchase price, maintenance, gas, plus having to store the damned thing and go out and have to clean it up before and after each planned use.
I use this story to illustrate that we have been saved millions and millions of dollars not getting into the "train business" down here. We aren't laid out in a fashion where one little train route would amount to anything but a continuous expense every time we turned around. I agree wholeheartedly with those who have said if we have all that money to throw around paying off CSX and purchasing rolling stock and paying salaries, put that money into retaining and rehiring all the State employees let go recently who lost their jobs and were kicked out in the cold after years of faithful service to the people of Orlando and Orange County. Those millions would pay the salaries of these fine people for decades to come.
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Grouchy Conservative
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I just don't get the opposition to rail travel. Last year the wife & I enjoyed two vacations in Europe and loved the EuroStar rail service. We found we could set up camp at the Grand Flora in Rome then get a private cabin and take day trips to the Amalfi Coast, Venice and other fun places in comfort and at over 150 miles per hour. The dining car served fabulous pasta and wine. After a month in Italy we moved to the Paris Hilton in , well Paris. The French trains are faster! I'm completely missing why the good people here at home in the USA aren't DEMANDING rail service at the same levels of performance the Europeans enjoy.
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THE SHADOW KNOWS
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It (CRS) failed because our Central Florida representatives were asleep during the session
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THE SHADOW KNOWS
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Good Ole Boys wrote: Light rail (like every other rail project in Florida), because of the well connected "Road Lobby" in this state.
This group of contractors and developers have been picking the pockets of Florida tax payers for decades.
If you have a doubt you need only check the lobbyist records in Tallahassee. See who spends the dollars and gets the access.
Our very own Expressway crew is example enough the see how the powers that be view you and me. They build roads to get more cash out of us. The 408 clearly does not exist to get us safely to and from work.
Just my opinion.... No one is mandated to go on a toll road. If you yearn for the good old days head to highway 50 everyday.
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The Problem Is
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Grouchy Conservative wrote: I just don't get the opposition to rail travel. Last year the wife & I enjoyed two vacations in Europe and loved the EuroStar rail service. We found we could set up camp at the Grand Flora in Rome then get a private cabin and take day trips to the Amalfi Coast, Venice and other fun places in comfort and at over 150 miles per hour. The dining car served fabulous pasta and wine. After a month in Italy we moved to the Paris Hilton in , well Paris. The French trains are faster! I'm completely missing why the good people here at home in the USA aren't DEMANDING rail service at the same levels of performance the Europeans enjoy. Florida is a backwater state and Orlando is the swamp that Disney filled in. As long as we have the educational level of citizenry that we do, we will continue to see only the dark of day and continue to pour ribbons of concrete that require billions of dollars to maintain.
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Nope
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THE SHADOW KNOWS wrote: It (CRS) failed because our Central Florida representatives were asleep during the session I agree they could have done more, but the FJA completey blockaded it from even being able to be voted on. Keep in mind, the same people that claim "closed door" politics were behind this "corporate welfare" deal used the exact same techniques they accused others of to stall senate bill 1978. It did not get voted "no", people, it didn't get voted on at all!!!!
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Overit
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Grouchy Conservative wrote: I just don't get the opposition to rail travel. Last year the wife & I enjoyed two vacations in Europe and loved the EuroStar rail service. We found we could set up camp at the Grand Flora in Rome then get a private cabin and take day trips to the Amalfi Coast, Venice and other fun places in comfort and at over 150 miles per hour. The dining car served fabulous pasta and wine. After a month in Italy we moved to the Paris Hilton in , well Paris. The French trains are faster! I'm completely missing why the good people here at home in the USA aren't DEMANDING rail service at the same levels of performance the Europeans enjoy. Well, good for you! You tooled around Europe on a bullet train with like minded persons sipping wine while enjoying the scenery. Now, examine the route that CFR would follow then explain how that compares to the French countryside. Also, view the picture of the cattle cars the CFR proposes and explain how they compare to the Euro-Star. Finally, take a good look at the folks who board buses along Hwy 17-92 and tell us how they resemble your European Vacation pals.
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clr33
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oh right - so the cure is to make it even more easy to add more cars to our roads, rather than to provide alternative transportation. riiiiggghhhhtttt... That sure helps reduce the gas dependency in this nation. And cops working the intersections during rush hour - slows things down rather than speeds things up. Get real. And giving tickets - sounds like you have gotten one too many of them. Sorry - but if we did not have some deterrents on the roads, we would have crazies out there going 100mph in rush hour traffic even more than they already are. Frankly Now wrote: You want to work on improving transportation in Orlando and Orange County? Put the money into creating interchanges versus time consuming intersections with aggrevating long traffic signals. Teach your traffic police that the best way to prevent accidents isn't to hide in the bushes with radar guns but to get out during rush hours and expedite traffic flow so their aren't long, aggrevating delays at old fashioned intersections. Little towns are determned to slow treaffic down, big towns learned long ago to get the Hell out of the way and if they are present it is to wave it to go faster. One cop on the side of the road with its lights going can create a half dozen serious crashes.
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sjrockman
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Gold Falcon wrote: People are NOT going to park their cars to ride the rail with the dregs of humanity anymore than they are going to park their cars to ride the bus with the dregs of humanity.
The commuter-rail system was a waste of money that would have never worked. writing from san jose. commuter rail DOES work. i am not familiar with the line/route proposed, but orlando needs to get some traffic relief. with the rising fuel prices, the ridership of all the railways out here (bart/light rail/cal-tran/muni busses) has increased by 12% over the same time last year. new routes are being proposed. we see the benefits for traffic AND fuel emissions. born and raised in orlando and really like seeing all the growth there. but the growth, as well as quaility of life, will stop without a commuter system.
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Former Resident
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Jay wrote: Our tax dollars will be spent anyways and not where you want them to be. THis project would have not only helped ease traffic concerns but also lessen the demand for gas. At the same time it would have reduced emissions. But Sen. Dockery did not want trains through her downtown Lakeland which by the way has no downtown. Her selfishness has made Florida look bad in the eyes of the Fed govt. Way to team up with the trial lawyers who are the scum of the earth. WE need better infrastructure for transportation. Everyone should realize what Dockery and her buddy Villalobos just accomplished=nothing. This will not go away. The liability issue was mirrored on the tri-rail agreement in south florida. I guess Villalobois only wanted the agreement in his region and not ours. I hope this rail system goes through so I can see Dockery relaize how little she means to the state of Florida. Thanks for representing Lakeland which is the armpit of Central Florida. You are wrong! Kissimmee is the armpit of Central Florida.
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clr33
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Lakeland is agricultural not industrial. Second - your statement on Trial Lawyers not being about making a buck, etc - hilarious... to an extent. Partially you are right - it is not JUST about making a buck - it is also about POWER. What they are not about is the PEOPLE. I deal with these people all the time, as well as the other side. Don't be a blind sheep - this is all a power play with the citizen's getting the shaft from both sides. The only difference is that the Govt want to take your money to spend it on projects that put money in their pockets, and the trial lawers want to take your money and just keep it without providing the projects. Uncle Andy wrote: <quoted text>
First, Lakeland is not an “arm pit” it is a critically important industrial community in Central Florida. Always has been since the citrus boom in Florida. It is more like a bicep. Second, trial lawyers for some reason are always “scum of the earth” until you need one because you’re getting the shaft from either the government or a very large insurance company. Third, the current sovereign immunity laws in Florida are outdated and poorly written, and needs to be overhauled. The concern of the Trial Lawyers is not so much about making a buck on the backs of the tax payers, as it is about making government officials, and entities that serve the public interest (i.e. Expressway Authority) held accountable for willful blatant negligence and causing harm to the general public.
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Terry Jaspermens
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sjrockman wrote: but the growth, as well as quaility of life, will stop without a commuter system. Doubtful. Growth will only stop when the sun stop shining, and quality of life will only recede when individuals' discretionary income is depleted.
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