Emmer won't attend greater Minnesota gubernatorial debate

Republican Tom Emmer won't appear with his rival gubernatorial candidates before greater Minnesota city officials in Winona on Thursday. Full Story
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Since: Jun 09

Lincoln, NE

#86 Aug 18, 2010
Sarah D wrote:
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Yes but the topic really is politics during a gubernatorial race. Emmer has to get elected before he can do anything. And right now because the actual candidates have finally been determined, it is POLITICALLY risky for Emmer to forgo any debates that have the other candidates attending.
Why? Because he already knows that liberals aren't going to vote for him. He already knows that at least most Republicans will vote for him because he is the Republican endorsed candidate. But he can't win with just the Republican vote just as Dayton can't win with just the liberal vote. It's the INDEPENDENTS that both candidates have to win. They are the wild card that all candidates need to be thinking about right now.
The reasons you give for Emmer not attending may be fine the closer it gets to the actual election but right now, he's taking a political risk of turning off the independent voters. And believe me, his opponents WILL take advantage of it. That's politics.
Agreed, however if he already had plans to be somewhere else he should not be required to drop them because some special interest group schedules a debate. If that were true all special interest groups could schedule a debate and demand all candidates attend. I'm sure Little Lord Fauntleroy would have skipped one scheduled on short notice by say, MN Forward.
Sarah D

Minneapolis, MN

#87 Aug 18, 2010
The Real Whatever wrote:
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Agreed, however if he already had plans to be somewhere else he should not be required to drop them because some special interest group schedules a debate. If that were true all special interest groups could schedule a debate and demand all candidates attend. I'm sure Little Lord Fauntleroy would have skipped one scheduled on short notice by say, MN Forward.
That's quite true. But I'm sure you know that political campaigns often have little to do with reality but rather with perspective.

And that's political campaigns on both sides.

“I am always right.”

Since: Oct 09

Former MN Taxpayer

#88 Aug 18, 2010
Emmer has both feet now firmly planted in concrete and is about to be dropped into the bottom of a river. He is dead meat when it comes to this election.

Just 1% of the people even know what a Horner is, and only half of them even care.

This will be a land slide victory for the only man who is qualified and intelligent enough to lead our great state back to prosperity after 8 long years of Bushco and T-Paw.

Mr. Dayton will make us all proud of Minnesota once again.
The Emmer Strategy

Inver Grove Heights, MN

#89 Aug 18, 2010
After reading through the " Emmerforgovernor.com " website it's clear that Mr. Emmer has no real understanding of the complex underlying factors that make solving the state's budget crisis so difficult. There is no mention of how he'll actually solve the looming $6 billion budget deficit. His website states, "As governor, I will stop the spend-and-tax cycle by calling first and foremost for a balancing of the budget." Mr. Emmer: Did you know that a balanced budget has always been mandated by the state constitution (and accomplished) each legislative session? There is much on Emmer's website about reducing taxes and cutting out duplicate state spending. Mr. Emmer: T-Paw and the legislature have tried this extensively the last 8 years. T-Paw then had to resort to his infamous "fees", accounting shifts, withholding promised funding from both schools and LGA, and BORROWING. If Tom Emmer can't be forthcoming on his website, and doesn't want to debate to explain his actual plan for balancing the budget, I suspect that Tom Emmer doesn't have a real plan to balance the budget---but only mouths tired platitudes about "budget cutting and lowering taxes" to play to his conservative, gullible base of voters.
Sarah D

Minneapolis, MN

#90 Aug 18, 2010
IrishMN wrote:
Emmer has both feet now firmly planted in concrete and is about to be dropped into the bottom of a river. He is dead meat when it comes to this election.
Just 1% of the people even know what a Horner is, and only half of them even care.
This will be a land slide victory for the only man who is qualified and intelligent enough to lead our great state back to prosperity after 8 long years of Bushco and T-Paw.
Mr. Dayton will make us all proud of Minnesota once again.
Don't be too sure. I, myself am quite disappointed with Dayton's same old, same old "tax the rich and give to the poor" mantra. He's not Robin Hood.

So I am keeping an eye on Horner precisely because he seems to be a possibly strong third candidate. Time of course is what will tell but right now he is more appealing to me than Dayton.

“I am always right.”

Since: Oct 09

Former MN Taxpayer

#91 Aug 18, 2010
Sarah D wrote:
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Don't be too sure. I, myself am quite disappointed with Dayton's same old, same old "tax the rich and give to the poor" mantra. He's not Robin Hood.
So I am keeping an eye on Horner precisely because he seems to be a possibly strong third candidate. Time of course is what will tell but right now he is more appealing to me than Dayton.
Sarah, you need to wake up and smell the coffee. Horner is a Republi-thug set up by the Wing Nuts to steal votes from "moderate" Democrats like you. He is just as evil as Emmer is and will hurt all of us just as much.

There is only one choice in this election that will help Minnesota. His name is Mark Dayton.

Since: Aug 09

Minneapolis, MN

#92 Aug 18, 2010
Walter wrote:
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If you need a politician to "say things to you" then you are someone who really should, and probably already does, vote DFL election after election.
My immediate guess: You're a guy looking for a taxpayer handout and you only feel empowered by pitting one politician against another in some entitlement handout auction. Winner gets your vote.
That's my take. And, amazingly, that's always a Democrat.
But, okay, just for the debate: What is it you want Tom Emmer to "say" to you to secure your vote? He's for smaller government, lower taxes, less regulation and private markets and initiative. What is confusing about Tom Emmer that would require him to convince you by something he says?
I guess if a person blindly votes a straight party ticket they don't need politicians to "say things to them". If a person wants to make an informed decision it helps to see the person and hear them talk and make a personal assessment of their platform and integrity.From what I've seen and heard him say Emmer is pretty much for dismantling government; privatizing as much as he can; getting rid of worker and consumer rights; getting lower and middle class to carry the tax burden; letting corporations and profit motive run the state i.e. getting rid of zoning and safety standards and extending eminent domain to private business. He doesn't want to participate in the debates for the same reason he didn't vote 1 out of 5 times while a member of the legislature - he doesn't want to say what he is really about and is hoping to be voted in by people who blindly follow the "Republican" party....P.S. He ain't no Arne Carlson or Eisenhower. He's the used car salesman of politicians.

Since: Aug 09

Minneapolis, MN

#93 Aug 18, 2010
Sarah D wrote:
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Don't be too sure. I, myself am quite disappointed with Dayton's same old, same old "tax the rich and give to the poor" mantra. He's not Robin Hood.
So I am keeping an eye on Horner precisely because he seems to be a possibly strong third candidate. Time of course is what will tell but right now he is more appealing to me than Dayton.
A vote for Horner will be a vote for Emmer. Just like a vote for Hutchinson was a vote for Pawlenty.
Mike

Mankato, MN

#94 Aug 18, 2010
Walter wrote:
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If you need a politician to "say things to you" then you are someone who really should, and probably already does, vote DFL election after election.
My immediate guess: You're a guy looking for a taxpayer handout and you only feel empowered by pitting one politician against another in some entitlement handout auction. Winner gets your vote.
That's my take. And, amazingly, that's always a Democrat.
But, okay, just for the debate: What is it you want Tom Emmer to "say" to you to secure your vote? He's for smaller government, lower taxes, less regulation and private markets and initiative. What is confusing about Tom Emmer that would require him to convince you by something he says?
Less taxes??? How are you going to pull that one off with a 6 billion dollars deficeit? I'd like to hear that before election day. Spell it out. That's one of the things I want to hear. I don't need anything in exchange for my vote. I want someone to tell me what he's going to do to balance the state budget. It's the biggest problem we have. Too much to ask??? Or do you just believe the pied piper? What King Tim has done for the last 4 years is put it off til the next year. Have a problem with that? You bet I do. It just keeps getting bigger. Mark Dayton? He wants to raise the taxes of the rich. Will that fly? Don't know, but atleast he told me what he plans to do. State run casinos, he's for that too. Does Emmer get his back pocket greased by the Indians, or will he pass a state-run casino bill? Don't know that either. So, does that answer your question, "Mr. I put a rubber stamp on a Republican." Nobody owns by vote by the letter they have behind their name when they run for office. And, I'll point out as an independent the knucklehead comment about lowering the wages of waiters and waitresses doesn't endear him to me. So, does he have anything for the average person, or just the average rich person????
Mike

Mankato, MN

#95 Aug 18, 2010
The Real Whatever wrote:
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Sigh. Another raging liberal puts words in my mouth. What the original comment was about was that I didn't believe Mr. Emmer should go there anyway. All he would have heard were sob stories about how they had to cut fire and police because the state cut how much they were kicking in to operate the cities. When in actually, they could have cleaned house in their own city governments, removed some bureaucracy, removed some duplication of services, and actually found a way to be self sufficient. It is a dead horse repeatedly being beaten. They cut fire and police to make the governor look bad.
I grew up in small towns. I believe they should sustain themselves. LGA is welfare. And that goes for the metro area as well.
Pat King Tim on the back. He didn't raise your taxes. The people he cut out of his budget did it. Right...raging nutcase teapartier, run for office and see how easy it is to make all that up in a small town. But you're part of that group that likes to point fingers, and won't run for office because then everyone would point fingers at you. Pretty gutless. Way to go, "Mr. It's always so easy."
Mike

Mankato, MN

#96 Aug 18, 2010
Intelligent Adult wrote:
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"Little" means little power. You know exactly what it means.
Like most "mean spirited" conservatives, Walter enjoys putting people down who he doesn't feel are equal to him. Just read his posts. That much hate is really sad. When he gets to the pearly gates he'll probably call God his "buddy."
Sarah D

Saint Paul, MN

#97 Aug 18, 2010
IrishMN wrote:
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Sarah, you need to wake up and smell the coffee. Horner is a Republi-thug set up by the Wing Nuts to steal votes from "moderate" Democrats like you. He is just as evil as Emmer is and will hurt all of us just as much.
There is only one choice in this election that will help Minnesota. His name is Mark Dayton.
Do you have any evidence to back up what you claim?

And by the way, I'm not a Democrat. I have never been a member of the DFL. Because I lean more to the left than to the right I do vote mostly for Democrats but I have also voted for Republicans. So just because a candidate is a Democrat is less important to me than what s/he is claiming as their platform. And I don't see Dayton promising anything that the Democrats haven't promised to deliver and failed to deliver before. It's just the old "two chickens in every pot" political rhetoric that most Democrats and Republicans engage in.

I want something more than just the same old tired promises. Our country is in a serious economic condition right now. We need new ideas, not the old ideas expressed for the last 30 years.

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