Public body wants more taxes

Public body wants more taxes

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sleeping giant awakened

Deville, LA

#1 Jul 6, 2011
Winn paper , July 6, 2011, p. 17a column 3, Mrs. Doherty executor of Winn Parish Library asks Police Jury to call a tax election for an ad valorem tax of 3.5 mills for 10 years and to place the proposal on the ballot Feb. 6, 2012.( presidential primary election)

In April 2009 the Police Jury approved an election to vote on certain taxes. All passed. That was before the sleeping giant of Winn was awakened.

We are awake now and must consider how more taxes are so burdensome in these economic hard times. SS recipients have had no cost of living increase in three years, yet all goods and services have increased in price. Businesses are having a harder time making a profit since their operating cost have increased. Many are jobless, and young people are having difficulty making financial ends meet. We are all being impacted by the recession and high costs. I urge all to vote against any more taxes. Government needs to curtail spending and make do with what they have and not ask taxpayers for more and more of their hard earned money.
look back

Pollock, LA

#2 Jul 8, 2011
In April 2009, a special election was held in Winn Parish for the purpose of voting on two library taxes. Both taxes passed and collection of those two began in 2010... Now the library director is back again, 2011, asking for a THIRD library tax to be put on the ballot. When is enough enough?
Here is a look at ONE of the two LIBRARY taxes that has already passed .( will look at tax 2 later ...and proposed tax three)
1. One was for a special tax of 5 mils on all taxable property in Winn parish for a period of F I V E years and expected to give the library $311,500/per year, beginning in 2010.

That figure was based on property assessments for 2009.
The measure was passed by the voters and collection of taxes began in 2010. Reassessment in 2010 raised taxable value to $70,009,750 yielding not $311,500 per year, as was voted on, but at the new assessment yields $350,045/ per year from property owners for the libraries of the parish. Total of $1,750,225 for 5 years from O N E tax paid by property owners for the libraries.
Purpose, as published, of this tax for libraries in Winn was:
a. maintaining
b. supporting
c. acquiring sites
d. erecting buildings
e. removing buildings
f. performing capital improvements on existing buildings
g. adding to buildings
h. furniture and equipment
chubby

Winnfield, LA

#3 Jul 8, 2011
Hell no. No more taxes. Obammur is talking about taking away soc sec benefits right now HELL NO!!!!!!!!!!
look back

Pollock, LA

#4 Jul 8, 2011
chubby wrote:
Hell no. No more taxes. Obammur is talking about taking away soc sec benefits right now HELL NO!!!!!!!!!!
The sad thing about ad valorem tax is that non property owners can vote the tax on property owners. The government employees are quick to say that if you are under homestead exemption ( up to $75,000) you won't pay any tax. That's true , but if your house is over $75,000 assessed value you do pay. Real estate has gone down in value, but the assessments keep going up, making more people on the tax rolls.

Our police jury should not allow this to be put on the ballot. It's not fair to property owners when other can vote to tax them.
look back

Pollock, LA

#5 Jul 8, 2011
The S-E-C-O-N-D LIBRARY tax on the ballot April 4, 2009 that passed was a 3 mil property tax for 10 YEARS. It was ESTIMATED to GENERATE FOR THE LIBRARIES OF WINN $186,000/PER YEAR. but again, collection for this began in 2010 after assessments were increased causing property owners to pay more taxes than anticipated.

In fact with the new higher assessments the 3 mils should be bringing in $ 210, 027 per year at this time. Or
$2, 100, 270 for the life of the tax. That's a lot of money to be taken from property owners for ONE government entity. But the library director is not satisfied with the extra money being received. She is back asking the Jury , after just one year of collecting the higher taxes, to put the T H I R D tax on the ballot AND A THIRD TAX ON PROPERTY OWNERS JUST FOR THE LIBRARY.

Mrs. Dogherty is NOW asking the jury to call a tax election for voters to approve a new, A D D I T I O N A L property tax up to 3.5 mils, for 10 years to be put on the ballot in February, 2012. At present assessed value, that will gather an estimated $245,031/per year or $2,450,310 for the life providing property assessments don't go up, again and again!!

This tax, she said is to be used for
(a) a big building over 10,000 square feet
(b) includes a CONFERENCE ROOM
(c) children's reading room
(d) MORE computer places
(e) extended operating hours

Mr lawrence White of the Library board told the Police Jury
(a) asking taxpayers to fund construction
(b) make payments on bonds for the new library
(c) already owns the property --he failed to say it was DONATED. Funds we already supply to purchase property not needed for land purchase. This should give extra money , so why do they want to tax us so much more?
(d) that grand building will cost $2.5 million
(e) taxpayers have already put have up to $500,000 for the project
(f) he wants the taxpayers to pay the additional $1.85 million by voting a NEW TAX

Why then are they asking for $2,450,310, It's an overkill!!!!! Not fair to landowners!!!!!!! We have already paid up to $500,000 and now he wants $2,450,310 more instead of $1.85 million in additional taxes.
look back

Pineville, LA

#6 Jul 11, 2011
Daily we are hearing about the recession all across the US; Winn Parish is certainly not exempt from the ravaging effects of that and run away inflation.

Now is no time for our public paid employees.. POLICE JURY, and MRS. DOHERTY.. to be asking landowners for additional taxes for a newer ,larger library building that includes a completely unnecessary CONFERENCE ROOM!!

There is no need for landowners to pay for another conference room in this town. We already pay for the Allen building, the Civic Center and schools that could be used for "conferences". Anyway, how many conferences are needed in this parish and how often?

Voters just recently put a tax burden on landowners for the libraries of the parish - two property taxes that property owners began paying just last year (2010). They total 8 mils.

Assessments went up after the tax was passed taking more money than estimated from landowners. Who knows how much more assessments will be raised during the life of these two taxes? Each time property values are assessed higher, landowners have to fork over more dollars without millage's going up.

The proposal for a new additional tax is requested to be on the ballot in early 2012.
We need to reign in government and vote down all request for new taxes!!!!
It's amazing how governments can operate more efficiently when they don't get every tax they ask for.
Sandra

Simmesport, LA

#7 Jul 11, 2011
Shut the library down and save the taxpayers even more money.

Get Kindles.
dahling

Houston, TX

#8 Jul 11, 2011
I have a lot of problems with the PJ minutes as reported in the Enterprise. The figures quoted by Mr. White just do not add up for me. He first says the library has accumulated 25% of the construction costs; then he said that the new library would cost $2.35 million; lastly he said the library is putting up $500,000. Do the math. 25% of $2.35 million =$587,500.$500,000 is 21.3% of $2.35 million. Am I right or have I missed something? The $87,000 difference may be nothing to Mr. White or the Library Board, but it makes me question their claim that the library revenue can handle the existing and increased operations costs of the new building.

One stated goal is to extend operating hours to accommodate the needs of the people of Winn Parish. While that may be admirable, it goes against the current trend in public libraries. A Google search shows that many libraries are reducing their hours and even their branches to handle budget cuts. Based on Mr. Lawrence’s comments about sufficient revenue to handle increased operations costs, there is no reason why the library cannot extend its operating hours right now. What are we waiting for? Or are there costs that are not being specified here?
no no no no

Pineville, LA

#9 Jul 11, 2011
No new taxes & no new library.
taxed too much

Deville, LA

#10 Jul 12, 2011
dahling wrote:
I have a lot of problems with the PJ minutes as reported in the Enterprise. The figures quoted by Mr. White just do not add up for me. He first says the library has accumulated 25% of the construction costs; then he said that the new library would cost $2.35 million; lastly he said the library is putting up $500,000.
Another thing I have a problem with the legal reporting by Mr. White in the paper is that he attributed the $500,000 on hand to "the library". He should say the taxpayers have already forfeited $500,000 from their pockets; the library has taken that much out of the economy of our parish for a new library. No public body is a productive business; they only drain taxpayers. The economy is worse now than in 2009 when Mrs. Doherty said when asking for those other two taxes, "Right now, with the economic situation the way it is, I don't think it is the right time to put it (new library proposal) before the people". See Winn Paper April 1, 2009, page 1. The whole USA is in an economic bad situation and she comes now wanting us to pay even more, new taxes for something we don't even need. The "new" library is a "want" not a "need". No more taxes. We are taxed too much already.
Sandra

Oak Ridge, LA

#11 Jul 12, 2011
Why should I pay taxes to support a library I never ever go to? Let the people who use it pay for it.

Only property owners should be allowed to vote on property tax issues.
dahling

Houston, TX

#12 Jul 12, 2011
taxed too much wrote:
<quoted text>... The whole USA is in an economic bad situation and she comes now wanting us to pay even more, new taxes for something we don't even need. The "new" library is a "want" not a "need". No more taxes. We are taxed too much already.
Sandra wrote:
Why should I pay taxes to support a library I never ever go to? Let the people who use it pay for it.
Only property owners should be allowed to vote on property tax issues.
I firmly believe it is in the public good to provide a library for the populace. And I have a special place in my heart for the WPL. But I firmly agree this new library is a WANT not a NEED, and I've seen no evidence to the contrary.

Somehow renters do not understand that they, too, pay property taxes. No, they do not get a bill from the Parish, but any increase in the landlord's costs gets passed right on in higher monthly rents. Restricting votes to property owners will never pass, but we can educate those who rent that they, too, pay property taxes.

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#13 Jul 12, 2011
i would like to see extened hours, it's a shame the library closes at noon on saturday. in a town not far from here, and not a large town the library stays open till 7:30 pm mon-fri, and till 6pm on saturday. wow, can the parish we live in advance to the 21st century?????? If I can see it on paper that this would happen,(extended hrs) and of course the computers, conference rooms, etc... I MIGHT think about voting for the tax, maybe---------- but I want a promise in writing from the library board.
sleeping giant awakened

Alexandria, LA

#14 Jul 13, 2011
There was a time we fell for everything public employees had to say, or completely ignored what they said, and generously voted for the taxes they asked for.

Not anymore! We are awake! We are looking closer at their words and for good reason! They are always wanting more money from our pockets. Their insatiable thirst for more money can never be satisfied; they come back to us more often and always for more. We, taxpayers are being drained even as l O U R expenses are going up for everyday necessities of food, housing, utilities, home and auto insurance and especially medical costs.

It is up to us to limit government spending. They will never sacrifice, until forced to do so. Let's take back our government and make it a government of the people, for the people and by the people! That is proven success story!

As has been stated above, voters granted two taxes for the Winn libraries in 2009; one a 5-year, another a 10-year tax. Collection of these began just last year. The approximate dollar amount can be seen in above posts. That didn't satisfy Mrs. Doherty!

She's back again asking the Police Jury to put a third library 10-year tax proposal on the ballot. What will the economy be like in 10 years? What is it like today? No tax should run for that long in these troublesome times. No new taxes should be added now.

Can we believe everything public officials tell us? Or do we need to look into the situation ourselves?
. Winn Paper April 4, 2009, page 1
Headlines:" New library NOT on April 4 ballot; seeks to renew taxes"
1. The article states," Doherty wants to clarify to everyone that the taxes in no way have anything to do with a new library"
2. "It is not for the new library", she said
3. "The two renewals on the ballot Saturday (2009) are strictly for the MAINTENANCE and OPERATION of all parish libraries"
4. "It pays for everything we have" says Doherty "It pays for utilities, salaries, new books and computer line charges. You name it, it all comes out of what the voters are deciding on Saturday."
5. "Right now, with THE ECONOMIC SITUATION THE WAY IT IS, I DON'T THINK IT IS THE RIGHT TIME TO PU T IT BEFORE THE PEOPLE", said Doherty.(emphasis mine).... April 2009!!!!!!!

What do we read in the fine print of the minutes of the Police jury in January, 2009 about point 1 above?
a. the 5 mil 5 year tax was also to be used for acquiring sites, erecting buildings..........etc. Winn paper Jan.28, 2009 p. 15A I have to question point #1.

b. a look at point 2 : If not for a new library, why would money be used for erecting buildings?????? And where did the ambiguous amount of money come from as posted in small print in Police Jury meetings of June 20, 2011 when it was announced before the jury that "the library" has accumulated 25% of the 2.35 million building construction costs ????? But also said the "library" would be putting up $500,000 for the new building. Not the same figure!!!! What do they mean?? What do they want us to believe???

Point 3 & 4: We have noted apparent discrepancies in those statements from other legal postings.

Point 5. This one is very important! Everyone of us know the economic situation is worse in 2011 than it was in 2009 and it was very bad then as she admitted. But now???? Oh, she wants to sock the people with another tax --- a new tax--- an additional tax----a 10-year tax so there can be a library with a conference room ; that has nothing at all to do with library service. Our taxes already pay for meeting spaces. the library could share the Allen building with the sheriff's prayer breakfasts. Property owners are overburdened with taxes now. The police Jury should not even put this tax on the ballot with the economy so bad now. What will it be like in 10 years, the life of the proposed tax? What will medical cost be, utilities , home repair, auto insurance, gasoline, food , etc? Vote NO on any new tax!!!!!!!!!!
economy

Powhatan, LA

#15 Jul 13, 2011
Rotary Club heard speaker Jim Fannin July 6, 2011 say that state revenues were down again. In this district, he said, the economy is built around timber and that industry is hurting and will be for some time.( Winn paper July 13, 2011, p.7-B)

Mrs Doherty, the PJ and Library Board need to not even consider adding another tax to the people of this parish. We don't need a new library. We are in a bad situation now and according to Fannin will continue to be for some time. No more tax!!!
overtaxed

Powhatan, LA

#16 Jul 14, 2011
dahling wrote:
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Somehow renters do not understand that they, too, pay property taxes. No, they do not get a bill from the Parish, but any increase in the landlord's costs gets passed right on in higher monthly rents. Restricting votes to property owners will never pass, but we can educate those who rent that they, too, pay property taxes.
Maybe, I have misunderstood, but isn't rent rates at subsidized housing based on income? We have a plethora of those apartment complexes here. Those renting such apartments don't feel the pinch of increased rent at all when a new tax is passed for property owners to fork over more money. Yet, they can vote a property tax on others.

So the source of defeating a tax should come from educating those who are always seeking more from property owners. We have had enough!!! We need to hold the library director,Ms Doherty the library board and each police juror accountable. Ms.Doherty said in 2009 , it was not time to add another tax ( other than the two then) for a new library because of the economy. It's worse now than then and apparently going to get even worse. NO MORE TAX
angry taxpayer

Pineville, LA

#17 Jul 16, 2011
Are you sick of people on public payrolls, with public paid retirements, with public paid health benefits, when asking that property owners pay
M O R E taxes for a plush project for them to use such trite 'examples" to try to placate intelligent people who know they will pay more taxes if another ad valorem tax is passed?
They always say: you pay zero new taxes if your house is valued at $75,000 or less, and under homestead exemption.

Ms Doherty, the library board and the police jury members need to be educated in other real situations. Situations where tax after tax placed on property NOT under homestead exemption is where they get their $ millions in new taxes. Tell us where the tax comes from....stop telling us where it will N O T come from.
WE WHO ARE HIT THE HARDEST KNOW ALL ABOUT WHERE IT COMES FROM AND IT'S TIME PUBLIC BODIES STOP GIVING THAT TRITE "EXAMPLE" OF WHERE IT DON'T COME FROM.
Bumblefoot

Natchitoches, LA

#18 Jul 18, 2011
look back wrote:
<quoted text>
The sad thing about ad valorem tax is that non property owners can vote the tax on property owners. The government employees are quick to say that if you are under homestead exemption ( up to $75,000) you won't pay any tax. That's true , but if your house is over $75,000 assessed value you do pay. Real estate has gone down in value, but the assessments keep going up, making more people on the tax rolls.
Our police jury should not allow this to be put on the ballot. It's not fair to property owners when other can vote to tax them.
Renters pay their share of property taxes through the rent paid to their landlords. So indirectly, renters do pay property tax. Why would you take away my right to choose if I want this tax or not? I am a property owner and a citizen, but you want to limit what I can vote on – doesn’t sound very democratic, or representative of my beliefs.
If the voters decide not to fund a new library, then so be it, but to not give them the right to vote really stinks.
look back

Pineville, LA

#19 Jul 18, 2011
Bumblefoot wrote:
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Renters pay their share of property taxes through the rent paid to their landlords. So indirectly, renters do pay property tax. Why would you take away my right to choose if I want this tax or not? I am a property owner and a citizen, but you want to limit what I can vote on – doesn’t sound very democratic, or representative of my beliefs.
If the voters decide not to fund a new library, then so be it, but to not give them the right to vote really stinks.
NO, All renters DO NOT pay their share of property taxes, either directly or indirectly. Those living in the many subsidized government housing pay according to their income and are not touched by increased property tax. Their rent don't go up when property taxes are increased!

You say, "but you want to limit what I can vote on" Where did you ever get that idea? Show me where I even hinted at that!!!!
All voters do have the opportunity to vote, though I think it is wrong for non-property owners to vote to tax property owners.
Bumblefoot

Natchitoches, LA

#20 Jul 18, 2011
look back wrote:
<quoted text>

You say, "but you want to limit what I can vote on" Where did you ever get that idea? Show me where I even hinted at that!!!!
look back wrote:
<quoted text>Our police jury should not allow this to be put on the ballot
Gee, I don't know - maybe in the quoted text?

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