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#1 Nov 13, 2012
I was reading tonight that Louisiana is one of the states on the proposal list for Drug testing!!!!

You must test clean to get benefits.. And I truly love this idea. People who work and pay taxes are drug tested so people can get welfare. So should those who get it ...
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#2 Nov 13, 2012
itsy bitsy007 wrote:
I was reading tonight that Louisiana is one of the states on the proposal list for Drug testing!!!!
You must test clean to get benefits.. And I truly love this idea. People who work and pay taxes are drug tested so people can get welfare. So should those who get it ...
I saw in today's Advocate the House voted in May to randomly drug test , but the Senate nixed the bill, back in May. Do you have an update?

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#3 Nov 13, 2012
I have heard they are talking about bringing it up on another bill . I strongly hope it goes through this time . How many people are out there working, paying taxes that fund public assistance , and they have to drug test to hold that job.

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#4 Nov 13, 2012
Florida tried this. Interesting results.
http://www.tampabay.com/news/courts/florida-d...
One More Word

Zwolle, LA

#5 Nov 14, 2012
-Spartan- wrote:
Florida tried this. Interesting results.
http://www.tampabay.com/news/courts/florida-d...
That article is very intresting. Just a downside to this. In the initial start-up this would probably be true. It would take a while for it to level out and be a good tool in welfare abuse. What the true purpose of testing should be is to keep people from spending their dollars given to them on drugs, and not using it to aid their families.
But anytime you have a program to give anyting to anyone there will be abuse. There will always be those who are going to cheat. But you need to try to weed them out as best you can. I would like to know how many people commit crimes while high on drugs purchased with welfare dollars. Now that would be an intresting poll.

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#6 Nov 14, 2012
I know a lot of states, that now make people who receive benefits do community service. If you don't work the hours you don't get benefits .
Just saying

Monticello, AR

#7 Nov 14, 2012
itsy bitsy007 wrote:
I know a lot of states, that now make people who receive benefits do community service. If you don't work the hours you don't get benefits .
That's pushing it a little. What if you already work more than one job and that welfare is just to help you get by? You won't have time for community service. Heck, you barely have time to sleep.

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#8 Nov 14, 2012
Just saying wrote:
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That's pushing it a little. What if you already work more than one job and that welfare is just to help you get by? You won't have time for community service. Heck, you barely have time to sleep.
I like the idea of community service, if you're not employed. If you are, I say the recipient of benefirs should present a paystub when they are paid to justify the receipt of benefits.

No job = community service
No community service = no benefits

That's how I'd handle that.
Bumblefoot

Natchitoches, LA

#9 Nov 14, 2012
itsy bitsy007 wrote:
I was reading tonight that Louisiana is one of the states on the proposal list for Drug testing!!!!
You must test clean to get benefits.. And I truly love this idea. People who work and pay taxes are drug tested so people can get welfare. So should those who get it ...
Good lord, you people are asking for MORE government intrusion into personal liberties all in the name of WAR ON DRUGS! If you want to punish people for smoking pot, at least be constitutional about it. Grandma shouldnít have to PROVE she is INNOCENT to get assistance, especially when she hasnít done anything wrong. Not to mention piss tests being a warrantless search of a person. This witch-hunt for evil druggies is only going to cost you more tax dollars then it saves, but thatís not the point is it? You want to punish people for the choices they have made. Kicking people off assistance isnít going to make them stop doing drugs. But if a few children suffer, oh well, thatís the consequences of choosing crappy parents.
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Zwolle, LA

#10 Nov 14, 2012
Bumblefoot wrote:
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Good lord, you people are asking for MORE government intrusion into personal liberties all in the name of WAR ON DRUGS! If you want to punish people for smoking pot, at least be constitutional about it. Grandma shouldnít have to PROVE she is INNOCENT to get assistance, especially when she hasnít done anything wrong. Not to mention piss tests being a warrantless search of a person. This witch-hunt for evil druggies is only going to cost you more tax dollars then it saves, but thatís not the point is it? You want to punish people for the choices they have made. Kicking people off assistance isnít going to make them stop doing drugs. But if a few children suffer, oh well, thatís the consequences of choosing crappy parents.
I never feel insulted to be drug tested on my job. It is not a warrentless search but a tool to weed out the abusers. Believe me thier families are not benefiting from the welfare funds anyway. Mom and Dad buy drugs and the kids are doing without because of that. Kicking people off of assistance will mean that we are not funding their drug habit. If they clean up their act they can always re-apply. I am tired of working and giving my money to sorry lazy drug heads. If a person is in true need I am ok with helping them till they get back on their feet. Not supporting them for life. Granny that does not do drugs will have no problem. If she has to drug test well so be it. I am a granny that works and drug test. Does not offend me a bit.
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Zwolle, LA

#11 Nov 14, 2012
And btw there are a lot of seniors that are dealing drugs and smoking crack, probably more than you believe. It is in the paper almost every day..They did not say anything about folks on social security, just public assistance.

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#12 Nov 14, 2012
Alot of states already make you do community service, They do this only to the people who have no jobs.
And I am never offended in any way if I have to do a drug test .
And people on Social Security are just drawing the money back that they PAID in over the years of them working .
And I know Texas is talking about also testing people who get SSI...
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Alexandria, LA

#13 Nov 14, 2012
Bumblefoot wrote:
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Good lord, you people are asking for MORE government intrusion into personal liberties all in the name of WAR ON DRUGS! If you want to punish people for smoking pot, at least be constitutional about it. Grandma shouldnít have to PROVE she is INNOCENT to get assistance, especially when she hasnít done anything wrong. Not to mention piss tests being a warrantless search of a person. This witch-hunt for evil druggies is only going to cost you more tax dollars then it saves, but thatís not the point is it? You want to punish people for the choices they have made. Kicking people off assistance isnít going to make them stop doing drugs. But if a few children suffer, oh well, thatís the consequences of choosing crappy parents.
I don't think personal liberties are being violated when we are asking that welfare recipients be drug tested. It is not even about "war on drugs" it is about checking for misusing food money. Why should wage earners have money confiscated from their wages to support some ones drug habit? NO one cares if they do drugs, if we are not working to pay for it. I object very much for food money to be used for drugs and if one on food assistance can buy drugs they don't need our earned money for food.

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#14 Nov 14, 2012
-Spartan- wrote:
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I like the idea of community service, if you're not employed. If you are, I say the recipient of benefirs should present a paystub when they are paid to justify the receipt of benefits.
No job = community service
No community service = no benefits
That's how I'd handle that.
Thats what they do , if you work 28+ hours a week , you do not have to do community service
Bumblefoot

Natchitoches, LA

#15 Nov 15, 2012
One More Word wrote:
<quoted text>I never feel insulted to be drug tested on my job. It is not a warrentless search but a tool to weed out the abusers. Believe me thier families are not benefiting from the welfare funds anyway. Mom and Dad buy drugs and the kids are doing without because of that. Kicking people off of assistance will mean that we are not funding their drug habit. If they clean up their act they can always re-apply. I am tired of working and giving my money to sorry lazy drug heads. If a person is in true need I am ok with helping them till they get back on their feet. Not supporting them for life. Granny that does not do drugs will have no problem. If she has to drug test well so be it. I am a granny that works and drug test. Does not offend me a bit.
ďIt is not a warrentless search but a tool to weed out the abusers.Ē said the grand Inquisitor General.

Please explain how a random drug test is warranted when said tested has done nothing wrong. I said if you want to continue the war on drugs at least do it constitutionally. Or donít you care about the Fourth Amendment? "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.Ē Itís not Ďreasonableí to search someone who has done nothing wrong. There has to be cause and not just a superstition of wrong doings.

And granny should not have to prove her innocents Ė thatís called innocent until proven guilty. You see in this country we consider the presumption of innocence a fundamental right. This notion is so old it predates the constitution. The prosecution has the obligation to prove that an offense occurred, beyond a reasonable doubt, and not just allowed go on a random witch-hunt looking for offenders. You give away your rights, but leave the rest of us out. You see the problem is you have no right to ask others to give up their rights.

I have nothing to hide, and nothing to prove to you.
Bumblefoot

Natchitoches, LA

#16 Nov 15, 2012
welfare wrote:
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I don't think personal liberties are being violated when we are asking that welfare recipients be drug tested.
Well maybe not yours or mine, but someone is being asked to prove their innocence - and that my friend IS a violation.
a question

Pineville, LA

#17 Nov 15, 2012
Bumblefoot wrote:
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Well maybe not yours or mine, but someone is being asked to prove their innocence - and that my friend IS a violation.
Do you think there is no violations of rights for the victims who have money confiscated from them..money they have worked for and handed to someone for food and then see it being spent on drugs?
Bumblefoot

Natchitoches, LA

#18 Nov 15, 2012
a question wrote:
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Do you think there is no violations of rights for the victims who have money confiscated from them..money they have worked for and handed to someone for food and then see it being spent on drugs?
Taxpayers are not victims and their rights are not being violated. If you donít like how you tax dollars are being spent, then exercise your right of free speech and your right to vote. I donít like where some of my tax dollars goes either, but that doesnít mean I am excused from my obligation to society.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixteenth_Amendm...
just asking

Pineville, LA

#19 Nov 15, 2012
Bumblefoot wrote:
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Taxpayers are not victims and their rights are not being violated. If you donít like how you tax dollars are being spent, then exercise your right of free speech and your right to vote. I donít like where some of my tax dollars goes either, but that doesnít mean I am excused from my obligation to society.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixteenth_Amendm...
Where do you find it in the Constitution that we are obligated to society to give money for others to buy dangerous drugs instead of food? Or even give money to buy food for those who don't work?

2 Thessalonians 3:10 (King James Version)

10 For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.

Does man know better than God what our obligations are??
Bumblefoot

Natchitoches, LA

#20 Nov 15, 2012
just asking wrote:
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Where do you find it in the Constitution that we are obligated to society to give money for others to buy dangerous drugs instead of food? Or even give money to buy food for those who don't work?
2 Thessalonians 3:10 (King James Version)
10 For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.
Does man know better than God what our obligations are??
When God doesnít speak to us directly on the subject, we have to make do with interpretation. How would you interpret:ďRender unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's.Ē "Love your neighbor." "But when you give a banquet, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, the blind, and you will be blessed." When his disciples suggested that Jesus send the people away to buy food, he responded by saying "I have compassion on these people..." and "you give them something to eat."

Are you really going to argue that the father would let his children starve to death? Thatís about as ludicrous as saying taxes are a violation of your rights.

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