Secede from the USA
onlyme

Vidalia, LA

#21 Nov 13, 2012
that will never happen....
it has happened

Powhatan, LA

#22 Nov 13, 2012
Just saying wrote:
<quoted text>
We tried that once. It was called the Articles of Confederation. It didn't work out so well. That's why the forefathers developed the federal government. So if you go back to that way, I hope you have fun when the individual states have their first dispute...
Nations of the world have tried the government we are getting now with NDAA that allows our citizens to be incarcerated indefinitely without trial, without a lawyer, and not guilty of a crime and TSA where law abiding citizens have to submit to groping and body pat down..even little children. How much fun is that? Concentration camps have already been built on our soil for our citizens, government agencies are stockpiling ammunition. Why? Our Nation is crumbling politically, financially and militarily.
How much fun is that?
We need to understand the original roll of federal government was
1. Defend the shores

2. Establish a system of currency

3. Deliver the mail

4. Protect individual rights
Bumblefoot

Natchitoches, LA

#23 Nov 13, 2012
it has happened wrote:
<quoted text>and TSA where law abiding citizens have to submit to groping and body pat down... How much fun is that?
Well that would depend on who is doing the groping. If it were some sexy lady I’d say lots of fun, but if it were Richard Simmons I think I’d rather walk to Albuquerque.

On a more serious note, what part of the Constitution has the president violated, and specifically what liberties are being taken away?

Oh and you do know that Gov. Rick Perry does NOT support the petition requesting that the White House allow Texas to peacefully secede from the union.
it has happened

Haughton, LA

#24 Nov 13, 2012
Bumblefoot wrote:
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Well that would depend on who is doing the groping. If it were some sexy lady I’d say lots of fun, but if it were Richard Simmons I think I’d rather walk to Albuquerque.
On a more serious note, what part of the Constitution has the president violated, and specifically what liberties are being taken away?
Oh and you do know that Gov. Rick Perry does NOT support the petition requesting that the White House allow Texas to peacefully secede from the union.
4th ammendment: The Fourth Amendment (Amendment IV) to the United States Constitution is the part of the Bill of Rights which guards against unreasonable searches and seizures, along with requiring any warrant to be judicially sanctioned and supported by probable cause.
http://paul.house.gov/index.php...
A very good read on the dangers of NDAA

U.S. Constitution specifically includes the habeas procedure in the Suspension Clause (Clause 2), located in Article One, Section 9. This states that "The privilege of the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in cases of rebellion or invasion, the public safety may require it."

Yes, I do know Perry does NOT support the petition. I'm sure you know a lot of people don't support Perry, either. He had to drop out of the presidential campaign because he was not getting support of the voters.

“It's all in your head”

Level 3

Since: Aug 12

Somewhere

#25 Nov 13, 2012
DJK wrote:
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Yeah...too many on the dole, especially the baby boomers who paid about 10 bucks a month into medicare and social security when it started in the 60's. When they retired they benefit from SSI getting over $1000 a month. Sounds like a great deal having todays workers support you when you paid only a couple thousand bucks into the system and you get 12-15 thousand a year for life.
So your idea of Utopia is a large number of people; who can't work now because of age discrimination, bad knees, and a bad economy; struggling financially?

God help you when you get up there in age. Maybe your current attitude won't be the norm by then.
Just saying

Memphis, TN

#26 Nov 13, 2012
Isn't the whole point of Social Security? How does one expect to be able to pay money today and it be worth the same 40 years from now? Inflation out weighs the worth of money in regular savings. It's been like that since before Social Security. The thought behind SS is that you pay for the elderly today and the next generation pays for you.
$1 in the sixties =$10 today =$100 in 2040

“Good News Travels Fast”

Since: Jan 11

Parts Unknown

#27 Nov 14, 2012
it has happened wrote:
<quoted text>and TSA where law abiding citizens have to submit to groping and body pat down... How much fun is that?

Actually no citizen is forced to fly on commercial airlines, it is a choice. If you choose to fly on a commercial flight you may get searched.
new news

Powhatan, LA

#28 Nov 14, 2012
ElephantFly wrote:
it has happened wrote:
<quoted text>and TSA where law abiding citizens have to submit to groping and body pat down... How much fun is that?
Actually no citizen is forced to fly on commercial airlines, it is a choice. If you choose to fly on a commercial flight you may get searched.
NO one is forced to work, either, but do think it is the right thing to do. I have relatives who fly internationally often because their work requires it. Other relatives work off shore and live in other parts of the country and with the short time off have no way to get to work except fly. But you are right NO ONE has to fly and NO one has to work as long as government can take from those who do work to give to those who don't work. But the ratio of workers to leaches is growing closer together. When takers outnumber workers, then what do you think will happen?
Professor Ayreshire

Albuquerque, NM

#29 Nov 14, 2012
DJK wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah...too many on the dole, especially the baby boomers who paid about 10 bucks a month into medicare and social security when it started in the 60's. When they retired they benefit from SSI getting over $1000 a month. Sounds like a great deal having todays workers support you when you paid only a couple thousand bucks into the system and you get 12-15 thousand a year for life.
Hey clown! I paid into the system for 40 years!! Stop the idiocy!!
Bumblefoot

Natchitoches, LA

#30 Nov 14, 2012
it has happened wrote:
<quoted text>
4th ammendment: The Fourth Amendment (Amendment IV) to the United States Constitution is the part of the Bill of Rights which guards against unreasonable searches and seizures, along with requiring any warrant to be judicially sanctioned and supported by probable cause.
http://paul.house.gov/index.php...
A very good read on the dangers of NDAA
U.S. Constitution specifically includes the habeas procedure in the Suspension Clause (Clause 2), located in Article One, Section 9. This states that "The privilege of the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in cases of rebellion or invasion, the public safety may require it."
Yes, I do know Perry does NOT support the petition. I'm sure you know a lot of people don't support Perry, either. He had to drop out of the presidential campaign because he was not getting support of the voters.
I agree, the Patriot Act is unconstitutional, but at the time it was a response to terrorist attacks. Bush was wrong in 2001, and Obama was wrong to give it a four-year extension. The NDAA 2012 bill passed the U.S. House 283 to 136 votes, and yes it was signed into law by Obama. In both cases Congress and the President have overstepped their powers. But what I don’t agree with you is that Americans are protesting against NDAA and the Patriot Act. Citizens are asking to secede from the United States because they’re mad as hell at this evil monster they have constructed. This Obama monster that comes and steels from you and gives it to the undeserving. Like a shadow in the night, he is the secret muslim that plots to destroy our country from the inside. My question to you is; what is Obama’s motive?

By the way, a good read, I like Dr Paul and most of his philosophy.
it has happened

Pineville, LA

#31 Nov 14, 2012
Bumblefoot wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree, the Patriot Act is unconstitutional, but at the time it was a response to terrorist attacks. Bush was wrong in 2001, and Obama was wrong to give it a four-year extension. The NDAA 2012 bill passed the U.S. House 283 to 136 votes, and yes it was signed into law by Obama. In both cases Congress and the President have overstepped their powers. But what I don’t agree with you is that Americans are protesting against NDAA and the Patriot Act. Citizens are asking to secede from the United States because they’re mad as hell at this evil monster they have constructed. This Obama monster that comes and steels from you and gives it to the undeserving. Like a shadow in the night, he is the secret muslim that plots to destroy our country from the inside. My question to you is; what is Obama’s motive?
By the way, a good read, I like Dr Paul and most of his philosophy.
Texas' petition particularly cites NDAA, TSA, etc.(see their petition):
The US continues to suffer economic difficulties stemming from the federal government's neglect to reform domestic and foreign spending. The citizens of the US suffer from blatant abuses of their rights such as the NDAA, the TSA, etc. Given that the state of Texas maintains a balanced budget and is the 15th largest economy in the world, it is practically feasible for Texas to withdraw from the union, and to do so would protect it's citizens' standard of living and re-secure their rights and liberties in accordance with the original ideas and beliefs of our founding fathers which are no longer being reflected by the federal government."
it has happened

Pineville, LA

#33 Nov 14, 2012
Bumblefoot wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree, the Patriot Act is unconstitutional, but at the time it was a response to terrorist attacks. Bush was wrong in 2001, and Obama was wrong to give it a four-year extension. The NDAA 2012 bill passed the U.S. House 283 to 136 votes, and yes it was signed into law by Obama. In both cases Congress and the President have overstepped their powers. But what I don’t agree with you is that Americans are protesting against NDAA and the Patriot Act. Citizens are asking to secede from the United States because they’re mad as hell at this evil monster they have constructed. This Obama monster that comes and steels from you and gives it to the undeserving. Like a shadow in the night, he is the secret muslim that plots to destroy our country from the inside. My question to you is; what is Obama’s motive?
By the way, a good read, I like Dr Paul and most of his philosophy.
I can't know Obama's mind, so I cannot answer your question as to what his motive is.
But I have some thoughts about the times in which we live.
2 Timothy 3:1
"This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come".

2 Thessalonians 2:7
"For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way".

God will take his Holy Spirit out of the way and an evil being will rule the earth.(This person is not revealed as yet).
I think the mystery of iniquity is at work (we are told it is). and the world is ripening for the antichrist to rule until God puts an end to it. The world will have under antichrist a one world government, and a one world religion for a while. God will put an end to that and bring in righteousness.

“Escaped to The North”

Level 2

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#34 Nov 15, 2012
This whole thing is absolutely ridiculous and nothing will come of it. Less than 1% of the entire population signed this petition.

Besides if texas or any state were to break away, those citizens would drown in newfound taxes just to support themselves. Also they'd have to establish their own currency which, because of their considerably smaller populations and resources, would be very weak against the dollar.

And if the u.s. Imposes trade embargos, these new little countries will have no means of generating a GDP. And if they are landlocked, there would be little to no means of transporting goods to other nations. My prediction? begging to rejoin in less than a year.

This whole thing wasn't very well though out.
Bumblefoot

Natchitoches, LA

#35 Nov 15, 2012
it has happened wrote:
<quoted text> it is practically feasible for Texas to withdraw from the union
No it’s not.

Most of the founding fathers ideas are represented in the federal government. Sometimes we sway off course, but that’s why we have a checks and balance system to correct our mistakes. Oh and you do realize that the founding fathers disagreed from time to time.
Bumblefoot

Natchitoches, LA

#36 Nov 15, 2012
-Spartan- wrote:
This whole thing is absolutely ridiculous and nothing will come of it.
That’s not entirely true. I mean the comedians are always in need of some new material. Maybe we can convince Trump to run for the president of the New Confederacy.
it has happened

Pineville, LA

#37 Nov 15, 2012
Bumblefoot wrote:
<quoted text>
No it’s not.
Most of the founding fathers ideas are represented in the federal government. Sometimes we sway off course, but that’s why we have a checks and balance system to correct our mistakes. Oh and you do realize that the founding fathers disagreed from time to time.
Just for the record, you took one sentence from the Texas petition that I had copied then answered "NO it's not" made it seem like I had said that. I did not make that statement myself.. The wording of the petition was copied to show some reasons why the petition was filed, it was not my thoughts, but the petition's wording.
it has happened wrote:
<quoted text> it is practically feasible for Texas to withdraw from the union
video

Pineville, LA

#38 Nov 15, 2012
Bumblefoot

Natchitoches, LA

#39 Nov 15, 2012
it has happened wrote:
<quoted text>
Just for the record, you took one sentence from the Texas petition that I had copied then answered "NO it's not" made it seem like I had said that. I did not make that statement myself.. The wording of the petition was copied to show some reasons why the petition was filed, it was not my thoughts, but the petition's wording.
OK, sorry for the misrepresentation, then to clarify, do you agree with the wording of the petition you quoted?
it has happened

Pineville, LA

#40 Nov 15, 2012
Bumblefoot wrote:
<quoted text>
OK, sorry for the misrepresentation, then to clarify, do you agree with the wording of the petition you quoted?
I believe in freedom of speech and in state's declaring sovereignty under the Ninth and Tenth Amendment to the Constitution.
If Texas wants to do this, I have no Constitutional right to deny their wording.
smar tass

Pineville, LA

#41 Nov 15, 2012
-Spartan- wrote:
This whole thing is absolutely ridiculous and nothing will come of it. Less than 1% of the entire population signed this petition.
Besides if texas or any state were to break away, those citizens would drown in newfound taxes just to support themselves. Also they'd have to establish their own currency which, because of their considerably smaller populations and resources, would be very weak against the dollar.
And if the u.s. Imposes trade embargos, these new little countries will have no means of generating a GDP. And if they are landlocked, there would be little to no means of transporting goods to other nations. My prediction? begging to rejoin in less than a year.
This whole thing wasn't very well though out.
you are rather nice to give it a year. i say LESS than 6 months.

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